Grime as the sound of new producers learning their gear....discuss

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Just an idle thought while listening to my combined Grime/Old Skool Ardkore playlist... it seems to me both genre's are in some ways by-products of both sets of producers playing with gear they don't fully understand(Reason, Fruityloops etc) and of having little cash. My general take on this, is that alot of the sonic innovations in Grime are due to this 'getting used to their gear' aspect of their sound. Also as Grime seems to be getting more 'musical' is this a byproduct of the producers knowing their sequencer/sampler/VST's better?

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought this was a fairly commonly held opinion.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

but even saying "alot" of the sonic invention seems to me to be lowballing the inventiveness of the producers.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

what dance record sounds like "blizzard" before 2002, etc.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

in a couple years vst's will come with a bunch of 'grime' presets

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

nah I'm not lowballing their inventiveness, making music myself some of my more creative moments come from working out how to use a new VST, or how to route a signal etc... I agree with what you're implying in that it's tempting to have this false musical idea of the 'noble savage' producing music free of 'civilising' influences. Alot of the commentary on Grime seems to be from this perspective alas which seems patronising to the producers and deejays of this music.

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Read Wiley's interview on Hyperdub.com - He basically says his sound only evolves when he gets a couple of new plug-ins.

So...what's wrong with that?

What happened to loving "I Luv U" so much because it was just the sound of a teenage kid fucking around on an iBook?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

A teenage kid with ibook..unlikely, more likely to be cheap Laptop, dodgy soundcard and lots and lots of warez. Gah I hate the assumption that if you make music on a computer it's a Mac. Yeh I totally identify with Wiley about new plug-ins and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

― Maimonides (Maimonides), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

more likely to be cheap Laptop, dodgy soundcard and lots and lots of warez.

Or a creaky old PS1...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

90% of good music as the sound of new producers learning their gear...discuss - particularly if you expand the notion of gear a bit - I was thinking about this on that relevancy thread, so much of relevancy/irrelevancy is to do with where on the technological curve a music is.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Also - is this the argument for why an artist going "back to basics" is such a horrible sign? What point is there in returning to something that you've already mastered other than sheer necessity?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

To hear Wiley talk about his music as if he was just a host channelling some sort of divine inspiration and then applying all of this to a totally canned Fruityloops sound IS something of a contradiction...

...not that the music is any less great for it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

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