S/D: the OTHER broken beat

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because of boredom and musical inertia i've been revisiting the past a bit ... so the last few weeks i've been really getting into the aardvarck album on delsin ("find the cow") and the CiM album on deFocus ("reference"), which i really hadn't listened to since i picked them up (at least two years ago, i'm sure).

this inspired me to pick up some more CiM eps ("service pack", "warm data", "noki bay") and the new deepart album ("snapshots").

and you know what?? this stuff is really, really good!! especially the CiM material - it's like some sort of perfect triangulation between early boards of canada, black dog style ambient techno and the very most experimental edge of drexciya-related madness.

ok, i realize these coordinates aren't so far off from each other but the way they put it together makes me wonder if classic IDM isn't back on the upswing?

can anybody give me any information on related artists or labels? i'm especially interested in delsin, lucky&easy, emoticon, and any new stuff i haven't heard yet. this label looks lush, too.

related question: lots of people refer to this music as "broken beat techno", how do y'all think it compares to west london broken beat and the other other broken beat, planet-e detroit-style broken beat.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I see most of this stuff as a continuation of '90s UK/Detroit techno; don't know most of the producers enough to say exactly how much they've been affected by the likes of Orin Walters, IG Culture, and that whole gang, but you can certainly hear traces of it. (Domu just put out a very UK/Detroit-centric techno record under the name Yotoko, actually.)

I've been listening to the CiM comp on Ann Aimee a lot lately. The recent Emoticon comp has its moments (Future Beat Alliance tracks in particular). Delsin's put out some incredible things the past few years -- Newworldaquarium's "Trespassers," Find the Cow, etc.

Must say that I'm excited about the upcoming Kenny Larkin. Wonder how it'll fit in to all of this.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

If by Detroit-style broken beat you mean Ayro, John Arnold, and Recloose, I'd say the Delsin/Ann Aimee/Emoticon people are definitely less tied to '70s (jazz/)funk and soul. The Detroit/West London connection is more than tenuous.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

All the Alex Cortex stuff on Ann Aimee is really nice. My one complaint though would be that his tunes are much too short, almost like the interludes that are scattered across BoC albums. He's also got an EP on Klang that is tops.

Philippe (Philippe), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

tunes are much too short, almost like the interludes that are scattered across BoC albums

that seems to be the hallmark of this set of producers.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Aardvarck's another big culprit.

The newish Cortex album is what, 24 untitled tracks?

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

On the more obvious side: Stasis!!! any of the older stuff, most of which reappeared recently on the 3x12" comp. on Peacefrog.. very warm, detroity ambient-techno w/ more interesting beat structure..

Also, some newer smaller labels like Red Antenna in New York, Merck in Florida - esp. check Adam Johnson on Merck - he had a couple very nice EP's on the smaller Chicago label Parotic a couple years back..

I would also recommend digging into the Italian stuff by Marco Passarani/Nature Records/Jolly Music/etc. if you havent already.

I woudl also check regularly the electronica section at the Smallfish shop (smallfish.co.uk)- they seem to stock a lot of that style, and have audio samples for most. Thats where I heard the Cortex stuff on Ann Amiee and alot of other obscure(?) newer stuff.

pete from the street, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

On the more obvious side: Stasis!!! any of the older stuff...

this is actually what started my quest - i ran out of stasis / a.r.t/ likemind to collect! i think i have everything except the tracks he did as skye ... on a sort-of-related note i heard he was producing and engineering r&b and 2step. do you know what recordings he's worked on?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That rumor rings a bell but I don't know anything more about it. Pickton doing R&B/2Step sounds possibly interesting and possibly very bad..

pete from the street, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

likemind is the shit! i want more nuron!

heywood jablomi (heywood), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

are you on slsk?? i have 100% of nuron's output and it fits on ONE cd.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

nuron IS the shit. he is like the uk techno incarnation of kaito (in that it's all about endless endless shivery jam&spoon piano trill)

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I also really like Norken who is also known as Metamatics; he's all soft and shuffly.

Philippe (Philippe), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i think i've pretty much got everything. i just haven't gotten around to encoding much of it (it's all on vinyl), so i haven't listened in awhile. love all the defocus stuff as well as some of the stuff on delsin. and big up metamatics, too, although some of his stuff leaves me cold. still, 'midnight sun pig' released on the dot label (recently re-released on hydrogen dukebox as...ah name escapes me) is one of my favorite albums from the past five years or so.

heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 5 February 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yes good suggestions all around!!

now people with knowledge: tell me more about yotoko's WET INK and which future beat alliance releases i should be looking for ...

I would also recommend digging into the Italian stuff by Marco Passarani/Nature Records/Jolly Music/etc

i think someone on forced exposure once called the italian scene "mystical", hermetic might also be applicable. i def. need more passarani, more leo anibaldi, more d'arcangelo (though i'm not into the new stuff), more lory d (he didn't get much talk round here) and so on ... what is nature records all about?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Future Beat Alliance had some decent stuff on both Rush Hour and Delsin - a frind of mine really liked a full-length they did on Rush Hour, but the name escapes me.

I think the Nature label was set up by Passarani - it's pretty diverse, but quite a bit of the broke beat stuff you've described - Passarani's full-lenghth "6 Katurn" is pretty nice. Also I've heard many good things about "Raiders of the Lost Arp" (Mario Pierro, also part of Jolly Music) - a bit newer on the italian scene. alot of this Italian stuff seems tough to find in the states..

pete from the street, Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah - a few people on the 313 list were raving about Yotoko's Wet Ink, but I have yet to check it out. I've also heard great things about Dynarec on Delsin - but people are comparing them older Drexciya which is more electro-breakbeat than broken beat
.. but now that I think about it the two are not all that far apart w/ stuff like Carl Finlow.. I really like the first 12" on Finlow's Device label - very deep melodic electro..

pete from the street, Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

them older Drexciya which is more electro-breakbeat than broken beat

though i read this and it makes me think of the rather overrated claro intellecto. i think what i am getting into with delsin, ann aimee, deepart etc is the way they use their synths to get at a space somewhere between cold detroit bladerunner noises and BoC nostalgic wooziness. i want wispy synth-action like cim's "rna"...

yotoko / future beat alliance / rushhour recordings seem to be the sites where london broken beat and this stuff are crossing over. has anybody heard the nubian mindz lp or the g-force and seiji lp?? how much jazziness will i have to deal with? it's not that i'm against jazziness just that my 2000black and laws of motion and people comps are sort of gathering dust in the file drawer and i feel like i should listen to those more thoroughly before i embark on any more glittery afrofuturism.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm- now I don't find any FBA on Rush Hour, maybe I was thinking of the Disconnected album on Delsin - I play one track regularly from the "Audio Photos" EP on Delsin - nice broken beat percussive techno with nice melodies popping up a third of the way in.. mixes great with one of my gescom records :)

I would say you prob. have to listen before you buy to avoid the jazzier stuff - more prominent on the rush hour stuff than delsin too

pete from the street, Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The Nubian Minds one is nice, but I dont seem to listen to it much for some reason- parts are jazzier and parts are techier, varied tempos too. Based on your posts, you might only be into a few of the cuts on that one.. Haven't heard Seiji or G-Force

pete from the street, Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the g-force and seiji lp on reinforced, vahid? i remember it being pretty much straight up dnb...

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah. the "just another number" lp - i'd thought it was broken beat for some reason. always looked interesting but i could never commit to paying $24.95 at tower. i suppose at some point it will go on sale, and then i will get it for a dollar like i got the peshay's "fuzion" (holy crap did that suck! worse than "solaris").

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been curious about that whole late-period reinforced axis for a while now, if only because a. insanely convoluted chopped-up beats can't be any worse than that godawful j majik fabric 13 mix i just listened to (80 minutes of almost literally the same beat and yet far far more annoying than 80 minutes of gabba) and b. they've always just about been my favorite record label

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

LOVE the Nubian Mindz record, especially the angrier moments.

Recall liking FBA's Disconnected quite a bit, even though I kept going back to one track -- Sweet -- which I believe is also on the Delsin Day by Day comp.

Still need to give the Yotoko LP some more spins. First couple plays, it struck me as nice, if not stunning.

Can we get some Titonton love in here??!?!?!

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a titonton mix at www.d-i-r-t-y.com that's super hot.

the last i heard of titonton was the intercourse lp. i still can't believe he followed it up with six sex-themed eps!

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Delsin Records and Ann Aimee are run by the very amiable Dutchman Marsel van der Wielen. He records for Delsin as Peel Seamus. Both labels are distributed by Rush Hour, who also have their own self-titled label and of course record shop, my favourite, at the Spuistraat in Amsterdam. Marsel can be found behind the counter regularly. I receive his releases for free and I get a discount at the store so you won't hear me complain... :-)

JoB (JoB), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

you have my permission to recommend to me your favorite delsin twelves, JoB

vahid (vahid), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

so as a result of the recs on this thread i picked up:

alex cortex - inward CTRL
alex attias - presents the chromatic universe
future beat alliance - disconnected + lumiere
nubian mindz - new world chaos + one of the archive eps
yotoko - wet ink

i think i am a bit let down by alex cortex, who doesn't seem to have the same quality control as CiM. also many of his tracks are so dry and astringent they made me feel nauseous nauseated and paranoid.

future beat alliance is excellent excellent and made me drag out my old move d - does anybody remember him? he was excellent, too. isn't he working in some sort of duo now? i'm excited to hear more new FBA stuff on versatile and maybe i'll be looking into chateau flight, etc (i love gilb'r and i:cube as djs but i'm not convinced on their music)

nubian mindz and yotoko are great though much more conventional than i'd imagined. yotoko is unexpectedly witty! the first track starts with a kozmigroov voiceover: "i am the [blank] of the earth ... this is deep" and when she says deep there is this great cheesy bubbling water soundeffect. also some of yotoko seems to be very 4/4 tech-housey which can only be a good thing. nubian mindz i am still getting into but it makes me want to pick up the seiji remixes collection.

and finally alex attias - i should be embaressed! lots of it sounds like united future organization or brand new heavies!! but it's fantastic ... like they nailed the 2000black formula down so well it just works anyway no matter how "out" the reference points are. the plutonia (dego?) tracks are particularly awesome - there's one sounds like nu era mashed up with cinematic orchestra.

good stuff, thanks again for suggestions.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

also my research seems to have confirmed 1) the scarcity of exceedingly "techy" broken beat (like cim) and 2) the degree of cim's genius.

i guess i also need to start tracking down the rest of the defocus / emoticon / headspace eps which i'd avoided because i'd sensed they were too straight forward (aphelion's "zugzwang" did that, i think)

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a defocus comp somewhere (i think its called "can you see?") which didn't do too much for me, but then again i bought it a couple of years ago (at smallfish oddly enough). i just looked and i can't find it, but i recall thinking of it as a less offensive warp at the time.

there's a nu era ep called "broken techno" on archive which is rather ace and has the detroit influence in full effect. it definitely sounds like a techno version of the london sound wrt the drum programming. i'm listening to it now and there's definitely some black dog in the mix, too.

have you heard "the deepest shade of techno" comp, vahid? it came out on reinforced in '96. it's not really broken beat, but it has a lot of great cuts on it.

i have been hunting for this broken beat connection, too...

nature records seems to have a really sporadic and eclectic release schedule.

tricky disco (disco stu), Saturday, 7 February 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

well if we're talking about london broken beat now, i'd have to overwhelmingly suggest Agent K's "Feed The Cat" album on Laws of Motion. dubby future soul with a complex rhythmic edge. not to mention a few great actual songs in there as well...

heywood jablomi (heywood), Saturday, 7 February 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Vahid, You need to track down the first couple Digital Soul records. I used to play whatever genre of music this is called on my old radio show a couple years back, and digital soul put out some strong releases. It is almost criminal how ignored those first few records were.

Another comp you might get a kick out if Lush Life Electronica on Quango records. It has the most horrible name in the world, but it is all early/mid 90's Detroit'y UK ambient techno/idm. As a matter of fact, CiM is on there if I remember correctly. You can probably find it dirt cheap online and it has lots of goodies.

I don't know if you are still on 313, but you should mail Tom Churchill from Emoticon and ask him for a few recommendations. He is a pretty knowledgeable and friendly fellow.

Former Supposed So Called Nihilist Teenage Drug Disco Addiction Counselor (mjt), Saturday, 7 February 2004 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

vahid- Glad you found some nice new music..

tricky- yeah you're right, Nature is pretty sporadic. I was sort of thinking of their whole distribution camp - Final Frontier, which also covers Plasmek and the Pigna label who released the newer Raiders of the Lost Arp stuff.

v- If you're more digging the cim stuff, and you mentioned the Stasis and Redcell stuff as a starting point, I'd again recommend the Adam Johnson full length on Merck titled Chigliak.. more lush ambient/detroity arrangements than alot of the 2000Black & other broken beat stuff - maybe somewhere inbetween Detroit Escalator Co. and older melodic Autechre w/ a few 4/4 cuts that are more of a warm tech-house.. (i have the whole album on slsk if you want to hear it, you can email me, but it's not connected 24/7)

pete from the street, Saturday, 7 February 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The Agent K record was one of my lone wolf picks on Pazz & Jop '02. I really need to go back to that.

Attias' Selector Series mix from the same year is also great. I'm pretty sure Plutonia is Attias and Dego. (Were you talking about the Chromatic Universe comp, vahid?)

The new DKD (Dego, Kaidi Tatham, Daz-I-Kue) LP struck me as pretty good after the first downloaded listen. Need to get an actual copy of that quick.

Now off to hunt down all of these recommendations that I've yet to hear.

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

singles recommendations:

the wach - "longer"
stockholm cyclo - "music is all this" (kabuki rmx)
slope - "basscheck"

plus everything on the Zest label, run by the Hidden Agenda guys. the most recent one getting play with me is the b-side to Max Fresh's "Welcome To The Candy Kitchen" (title escapes me). but all 6 of the label's releases are worthwhile...

heywood jablomi (heywood), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The new DKD (Dego, Kaidi Tatham, Daz-I-Kue) LP struck me as pretty good after the first downloaded listen. Need to get an actual copy of that quick.

Alright -- this is very wonderful! I don't know why the song with Donnie is a bonus track, when the rap tune that would otherwise close out the album is so limp. Lots of group female vocals, a couple instrumentals. Quite laidback, not very noodly at all. Might be my favorite single-artist broken beat album, surpassing Feed the Cat and Creating Patterns.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
"lucky & easy - talent hoover" is insanely good. i have loved all three ann aimee releases so far but this one is truly special. everyone who chimed in with positive comments on the clear records thread should check this one out.

also the art for the ann aimee stuff has been astounding. and i'm generally not a huge fan of post-graffiti "street art" or "urban design" or whatever but delta moves from strength to strength for several years now and this collaboration is gold.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 10 June 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

that's all three CD releases, i think i mentioned how good the "noki bay" and "CTRL" eps were upthread.

still haven't heard dribs' "open log book" ep.

also the ann aimee site says "all communication seems lost". are they or delsin shutting down??? seems unlikely since the dynarec lp was well-promoted and distributed and all that but who knows.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 10 June 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

Has anyone heard this? Mark De Clive-Lowe - Six Degrees

I liked some of the stuff he did on People records and it's been sitting in my local 2nd hand shop for yonks.

sam500, Friday, 30 January 2009 02:10 (seventeen years ago)

this sick EQD record out of hardwax seems reminds me of this sort of stuff

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=157948

straightola, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:56 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

how underrated is this album?

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=20554

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 25 April 2009 18:24 (sixteen years ago)


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