Part 1:001 01 Son Of Bazerk feat. No Self Control & The Band "The Band Gets Swivey On The Wheels" (from Bazerk Bazerk Bazerk)002 02 Nirvana "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (from Nevermind)003 03 Negativland "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (Special Edit Radio Mix)" (from U2 single, later bootlegged on These Guys Are From England And Who Gives A Shit)004 04 Pet Shop Boys "Where The Streets Have No Name (I Can't Take My Eyes Off You)" (from "Where The Streets Have No Name" single, also from compilation Discography: The Complete Singles Collection)005 05 2 Unlimited "Get Ready For This (Orchestral Edit)" (from "Get Ready For This" single)006 06 808 State (feat. Raagman) "Leo Leo" (from "In Yer Face" single)007 07 Stereolab "Super-Electric" (from s/t EP, later on compilation Switched On)008 08 THe Flaming Lips "Talkin' 'Bout The Smiling Deathporn Immortality Blues (Everyone Wants To Live Forever)" (from Yeah, I Know It's A Drag... Wastin' Pigs Is Still Radical EP, later from Hit To Death In The Future Head)009 09 Pell Mell "Aero" (from Flow)010 10 Gary Clail/On-U Sound System "Escape" (from The Emotional Hooligan)011 11 Beats International "Come Home" (from Excursion On The Version)012 12 Del Tha Funkeé Homosapien "Sleepin' On My Couch" (from I Wish My Brother George Was Here)013 13 A Tribe Called Quest "Buggin' Out" (from The Low End Theory)014 14 DNA & Suzanne Vega "Tom's Diner (7" A)" (from "Tom's Diner" single)015 15 EMF "Unbelievable" (from Schubert Dip)016 16 Blur "There's No Other Way" (from Leisure)017 17 Primal Scream "Higher Than The Sun" (from Screamadelica)018 18 The Orb "Little Fluffy Clouds" (version from The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld)
Part 2:019 01 Electronic "Get The Message" (from Electronic)020 02 The KLF "3 A.M. Eternal (Live At The S.S.L.)" (from The White Room)021 03 Heavy D & The Boyz "Now That We Found Love" (from Peaceful Journey)022 04 Jodeci "Playthang" (from Forever My Lady)023 05 Definition Of Sound "Now Is Tomorrow (De La Soul remix)" (from "Now Is Tomorrow" single)024 06 Duck Hunt "Holiday" (from Holiday Vacation 7")025 07 Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet "Rover And Rusty" (from Music For Pets 7", later from v/a compilation International Hip Swing)026 08 Hypnolovewheel "I Dream Of Jeannie" (from Space Mountain)027 09 Sebadoh "Gimme Indie Rock" (from Gimmie Indie Rock! 7", later from v/a compilation Buy This Used CD)028 10 Velvet Crush "Drive Me Down" (from In The Presence Of Greatness)029 11 Mercury Rev "Chasing A Bee" (from Yerself Is Steam)030 12 Ween "Pollo Asado" (from the Pod)031 13 Basehead "Brand New Day" (from Play With Toys)032 14 The Red Hot Chili Peppers "Under The Bridge" (from Blood Sugar Sex Magik)033 15 Pearl Jam "Black" (from Ten)034 16 Soundgarden "Mind Riot" (from Badmotorfinger)035 17 Van Halen "Right Now" (from For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge)
Part 3:036 01 Melvins "Boris" (from Bullhead)037 02 Daisy Chainsaw "Love Your Money" (from Lovesick Pleasure EP, later from Eleventeen)038 03 Ministry (feat. Gibby Haynes) "Jesus Built My Hotrod (Short, Pusillanimous, So-They-Can-Fit-More-Commercials-On-The-Radio Edit)" (from "Jesus Built My Hotrod" single)039 04 Duh "Spaghetti And Red Wine" (from Blowhard)040 05 Sandy Duncan's Eye "Polsen Petrolium" (from Sandy Duncan's Eye)041 06 N.W.A. "Message To B.A./Real Niggaz" (from EFIL4ZAGGIN)042 07 Ice Cube "No Vaseline" (from Death Certificate)043 08 Tim Dog "Fuck Compton" (from Penicillin On Wax)044 09 Public Enemy "By The Time I Get To Arizona" (from Apocalypse 91... The Enemy Strikes Black)045 10 Cypress Hill "How I Could Just Kill A Man" (from Cypress Hill)046 11 Primus "Jerry Was A Race Car Driver" (from Sailing The Seas Of Cheese)047 12 Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 "More Glee" (from Lovelyville)048 13 Born Against "Organ Of Hope" (from Nine Patriotic Hymns For Children)049 14 Heroin "Head Cold" (from All About Heroin 7", later from compilation Heroin)050 15 Unwound "Stumbling Block" (from s/t demo, later from v/a compilation Throw, later from compilation A Single History)051 16 Nation Of Ulysses "Spectra Sonic Sound" (from 13-Point Program to Destroy America)052 17 Drive Like Jehu "If It Kills You" (from Drive Like Jehu)
Part 4:053 01 Nomeansno "Now" (from 0 + 2 = 1)054 02 Urge Overkill "The Kids Are Insane" (from The Supersonic Storybook)055 03 Poster Children "Cancer" (from Daisy Chain Reaction)056 04 Smashing Pumpkins "Tristessa" (from Gish)057 05 Michael Jackson "Black Or White" (from Dangerous)058 06 Prince "Cream" (from Diamonds And Pearls)059 07 R.E.M. "Shiny, Happy People" (from Out Of Time)060 08 The Bats "Hold All The Butter" (from Fear Of God)061 09 White Town "Hair Like Alain Delon" (from Alain Delon EP, later from v/a compilation One Last Kiss)062 10 The Cannanes "1991" (from Caveat Emptor)063 11 Courtney Love "Shaniko" (from "Highlights" 7")064 12 The Magnetic Fields "Candy" (from The Wayward Bus)065 13 Blake Babies "Temptation Eyes" (from Rosy Jack World EP)066 14 The 3D's "Sing-Song" (from Swarthy Songs For Swabs)067 15 Love Child "Know It's Allright" (from Okay?)068 16 Superchunk "Throwing Things" (from No Pocky For Kitty)069 17 The Wedding Present "Dalliance" (from Seamonsters)070 18 Refrigerator "Map To The Stars" (from v/a compilation Ghost Of A Rollercoaster 7", later from v/a compilation Abridged Perversion)071 19 The Mountain Goats "Wild Palm City" (from v/a compilation Back To The Egg, Asshole cassette, then titled "Within You Without You" and further associated with George Harrison inexplicably, later from compilation Ghana)072 20 Tall Dwarfs "Life Is Strange" (from Fork Songs)073 21 Mudhoney "Good Enough" (from Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge)074 22 Honeymoon Killers "Whole Lotta Crap" (from Hung Far Low)
Part 5:075 01 L.A. Style "James Brown Is Dead (edit)" (from "James Brown Is Dead" single)076 02 The Future Sound Of London "Papa New Guinea" (from Accelerator)077 03 Seal "Killer (single version)" (from "Killer" single) 078 04 GTO "The Bullfrog" (from "Listen To The Rhythm Flow/The Bullfrog" 12")079 05 Orbital "The Moebius" (from Orbital)080 06 Fortran 5 "XX21" (from Blues)081 07 Coil "The Snow - Answers Come In Dreams I (Jack Dangers remix)" (from The Snow EP)082 08 Moby "Permanent Green" (from "Voodoo Child" 12", later from compilation Early Underground)083 09 LFO "Tan Ta Ra (Moby Remix)" (from "Love Is The Message/Tan Ta Ra" 12")084 10 Musto & Bones feat. Dina and I.C.O. "The Music Is Right (R & B Club Mix)" (from "The Music Is Right" 12")085 11 Leaders Of The New School "Sound Of The Zeekers @#^**?!" (from A Future Without A Past...)086 12 3rd Bass "Pop Goes The Weasel" (from Derelicts Of Dialect)087 13 Main Source "Large Professor" (from Breaking Atoms)088 14 K.M.D. "Who Me?" (from Mr. Hood)
Part 6:089 01 Color Me Badd "I Wanna Sex You Up" (from C.M.B.)090 02 Gerardo "Rico Suave" (from Mo' Ritmo)091 03 Ed O.G. & Da Bulldogs "Feel Like A Nut" (from Life Of A Kid In The Ghetto)092 04 Black Sheep "Strobelite Honey" (from A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing)093 05 Nice & Smooth "Sometimes I Rhyme Slow" (from Ain't a Damn Thing Changed)094 06 Naughty By Nature "O.P.P." (from Naughty By Nature)095 07 The UMC's "Jive Talk" (from Fruits Of Nature)096 08 Chris Knox "Citric Acid" (from Croaker, later from compilation Meat)097 09 Brick Layer Cake "Call It A Day" (from Call It A Day)098 10 Slint "Good Morning, Captain" (from Spiderland)099 11 Talk Talk "Ascension Day" (from Laughing Stock)100 12 The Cakekitchen "One + One = One" (from Time Flowing Backwards)101 13 Strapping Fieldhands "The Demiurge" (from "The Demiurge" single, later from compilation Gobs On The Midway: Singles 1991-1995)102 14 Disco Inferno "Leisuretime" (from Open Doors, Closed Windows, later from compilation In Debt)103 15 Supercollider "Dimmer" (from Supercollider)104 16 My Bloody Valentine "To Here Knows When" (from Loveless, with outro)105 17 Pale Saints "Kinky Love" (from Flesh Balloon EP)
Part 7:106 01 U2 "Ultraviolet (Light My Way)" (from Achtung Baby)107 02 Throwing Muses "Hook In Her Head" (from The Real Ramona)108 03 Uncle Wiggly "Ba Ba Ba" (from Across The Room And Into Your Lap)109 04 Teenage Fanclub "Star Sign" (from Bandwagonesque)110 05 Pixies "Motorway To Roswell" (from Trompe Le Monde)111 06 Peter Jeffries "Reaching An End" (from compilation Chorus Of Interludes, originally from v/a compilation Killing Capitalism With Kindness)112 07 De La Soul "Keepin' The Faith" (from De La Soul Is Dead)113 08 P.M. Dawn "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" (from Of The Heart, Of The Soul And Of The Cross: The Utopian Experience)114 09 Boyz II Men "It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday (radio version)" (from Cooleyhighharmony, single, etc.)115 10 Bonnie Raitt "I Can't Make You Love Me" (from Luck Of The Draw)116 11 Guns N' Roses "November Rain" (from Use Your Illusion I)117 12 Harold Budd "Blind Bird" (from By The Dawn's Early Light)118 13 The Verlaines "Moonlight On Snow" (from Ready To Fly)119 14 Morrissey "There's A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends" (from Kill Uncle)120 15 Biz Markie "Alone Again" (formerly from I Need A Haircut, removed for legal reasons)
Bonus tracks:
Bonus #1 The KLF "Justified And Ancient" (from The White Room)Bonus #2 Raunchy Young Lepers "Off To The Front!" (from Off To The Front! cassette, later from compilation box set Simon and Garfunkel Shoot Up Salt Through Their Wangs!)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/1991wewonnowew.jpg
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)
TRIVIA QUESTION TIME:
* Except for Gaz Lom, Michaelangelo Matos, and Jen NStop who are on the rather brief thanks list for the help this time around and will be gettin' their copies of the CDR, all you guys have to do is be the FIRST ONE to answer the following question correctly. It's just one, and it should be easy. First one to answer this correctly will win a free CDR...
Question:GRUMPY OLD ROCK DUDE SAYS: "Dude.. fuckin, you put together all this clever shit from the year 1991 but you still overlooked one of the FINEST FUCKIN SMOKIN ROCK BANDS TO HAVE EVER FUCKIN EXISTED ON THIS PLANET EVER, MAN! Not only that, they put their name on the album title AND they put '1991' on it, too! I know it's a fuckin' sad world man, and the dude who started the band ain't around no more, but you gotta give the record SOME DUE, FUCK, I mean... shit"
Which band/artist and album is Grumpy Old Rock Dude talking about?
Go!
(and i've been slammed with work, so sorry about the delays in getting the 1988 CDRs mailed out, I'm working on it)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)
but pretty bloody fucking awesome all the same
― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)
what's wrong with "shiny happy people"? It's a perfectly fine pop song, with great backups by Kate Pearson on it. The rest of the album kinda bores me these days...
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)
You forget quickly, my child. This thing exists to FUCK YOU UP.
To all: forgive me for the lack of new jack swing and under-the-radar techno stuff... except for a few, I just couldn't get into a lot of the NJS I listened to via iTunes.. and I claim ignorance on the more obscure 1991 techno front... so feel free to organize a protest/supplementary New Jack/Techno 1991 CDR.
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh, did I mention that I am working on 1993-7? It is true.
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)
http://rewards.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drc400/c473/c473293u58q.jpg
― zappi (joni), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)
juicy! can't FUCKING WAIT.
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)
[[MONTHS OF SILENCE FOLLOW]]
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)
2) making mix cd-r that aren't intended to woo and have little chance of exposing the recipient to something they aint' heard before is tricky bizness.
3) time is an abstract
4) i suck
5) lookit this -
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Le Coq, Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Le Coq, Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Unterberger (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 5 February 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, may I say how genius the cover image is?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jeff W (zebedee), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
props for completely ignoring Blue Lines for a 1991 comp tho'
― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
Zappi, is that your real email address? I need your mailing address to send you your prize, yo.
Zebedee, sarcastic much? i gave that massive attack a re-listen after i was bored the first time, to see if i would re-appreciate it, and it still bored me. (and THIS is why Mine The Gap 1988-1992 now exists)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)
hence why i chose "Ultraviolet"
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)
i was thinking more of a sun city girls (but torch was 90) or polvo's "snake fist fighter", but alas, weird rock is reprazent. i was suprised to see that sebadoh on there, it was one of my first 4-5 scans. and nice call with the pale saints cover. 2 live crew had a hit in 91, didn't they?
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)
I would have used Polvo, but I never quite clicked with Polvo until "Today's Active Lifestyles", even though the "Cor-Crane Secret" version of "In The Hand, In The Sieve" is great, but that was Ott's territory.
And if i had "Dawn of the Devi", I would have used something off that, but I don't :( and that's still yet to be reissued (if it's in the schedule at all).
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)
That explains U2's Dorian Grey-ian existence: why else do we buy every new CD they put out?
(That said, I've been suckered, as Zooropa is one of the tighter U2 albums.
(But DB, what's up with including Justified and Ancient? Don't make me start to question your solid sense of musical taste!;>)
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
I want whatever pure shit the director was on when they shot that.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)
db, yes that email address works....
― zappi (joni), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 6 February 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)
1.Change The Style peformed by Son Of Bazerk Featuring No Self Control And The Band 2.Casper performed by Daniel Johnston - 2:21 3.Daddy Never Understood performed by Deluxx Folk Implosion -4.Nothing Gonna Stop performed by Folk Implosion5.Jenny's Theme performed by Folk Implosion 6.Simean Groove performed by Folk Implosion 7.Casper, the Friendly Ghost performed by Daniel Johnston 8.Natural One performed by Folk Implosion 9.Spoiled performed by Sebadoh 10.Crash performed by Folk Implosion11.Wet Stuff performed by Folk Implosion12.Mad Fright Night performed by Lo Down 13.Raise the Bells performed by Folk Implosion14.Good Morning Captain performed by Slint
― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)
(granted, my host was down this weekend)
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― egon krenz (slaytrack), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago)
Real Niggaz is from 1990 too - it's off the 100 Miles & Runnin' EP.
― energy flash gordon, Thursday, 16 August 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)