― Tom, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jordan, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Moreso, "Is what I'm doing relavent?" "Perhaps I should put down this guitar, yeah?" "How would this rate on the Pitchfork scale?"
― Keiko, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
That said, I do think that you should be aware of the modern world, and hopefully develop naturally an appreciation of new and interesting sounds and ideas, rather than wallowing in your idols.
Of course, if you want to be successful, I guess you should be so much of an arrogant asshole you wouldn't think of questioning yourself.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
2.) How much do I believe in the conventional form of the pop song? (This is huge, really, for reasons of craftsmanship. In order to assemble a coherent song, it's almost necessary to decide beforehand whether you're trying to write a "pop song" -- even if you're going to slant or subvert its performance or presentation -- or whether you're trying to work outside of that structural tradition. I think this is because the conventions are there, and just "going with what comes naturally" still implies either naturally following those conventions or naturally disdaining them.)
3.) How serious am I? (This seems fundamental, in terms of there being a pretty massive distance between music that is meant to be "fun" and music that is meant to be "meaningful." I add the scare quotes because "fun" music can be very "meaningful," and vice versa -- I use the terms only to denote conventions of the two approaches, not the actual content. An example here might be a juvenile snotty punk-pop band versus a political hardcore-influenced punk-pop band, where the musical content and emotional impact could be nearly identical but the tone will not be.)
4.) How performative will this be? (Today is obviously my day of referencing earlier threads of mine. But what I mean by this is: is a focus of this music going to be someone's ability to sing or play his or her part in a way that impressive or thrilling -- or is the focus going to be my ability to construct and conceptualize the music in the first place?)
More as it comes to me.
― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
and
why
― loop, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― DG, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
**How much do I believe in the conventional form of the pop song?**
**How serious am I?**
Oh fergodsakes! There's only one question that matters - am I going to have fun?
― Dr. C, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Rob M, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
MY fun, MY music, MY gratification. But at whose expense?
Doubtless the Rolling Stones had a lot of fun, but sadly it seems hundreds of girls around the world had to cough-up a premium for their pleasure.
― Stephen Stockwell, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
If your answer if "yes", please don't make music.
― Dickon Edwards, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dickon, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― gareth, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Seriously, Nitsuh has the right idea here. Asking yourself questions about if it's worth it, if you'll be contributing, etc. -- this is moving in the wrong direction. If the desire to make music is there it is worth exploring & needs no more justification. But asking yourself questions to help move you in a direction closer to what you're after (as Nitsuh's questions do) seems right.
― Mark, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Mind you, it's not a bad precaution, isn't it?
Enjoy your trainers. Oh, you do.
Dickon x
On another note: Starsailor and The Soft Parade... why all these bands taking late 60s Elektra related LPs for their names? Whatever next, Forever Changes?
― m jemmeson, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Words are best reserved for the time after you've started making music. If you want to riddle yourself with questions then, probably a helpful one is, "Do I even want to listen to this?" If you wouldn't sit down and listen to what you just did, you might have some refining to do.
― Matt H, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― , Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
If you make music that sounds like you are wearing 1940s style correspondant shoes you can't go far wrong (unless you are Blue Rondo a la Turk).
The Ramones made sure they wore Keds (not Converse).
Know where your shoes are at pop kids.
― Alexander Blair, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Anyway, the only questions AT ALL you should ask yourself are:
1. Is it switched on? 2. Are we having fun yet? 3. Will it make GURLS/GORGEOUS FELLAS/BOTH like me more?
Actually, those are pretty much the same questions you end up asking years later... SERIOUS QUESTIONS OF VALIDITY are for when yr doing serious things i.e. recording something FOREVER in which case it is ENO AHOY! otherwise, sometimes even Radiohead play the "Summertime Blues" riff for FUN.
― MJ Hibbett, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
HOWEVER it is a FACT that Mr Hibbert knows how to wear a shirt and that the charm and wit of his music may be reflected in his shirt- wearing ability. I think I'm on to something here. Shoes may be a useful but unreliable indicator but a man who can wear a shirt.. no, make that WEAR a shirt.. has the spark of genius at his fingertips/vocal chords. Spooky co-incidence. I recall a fairly decent band called The Shirts with a single called 'Tell me your plans' - there was also a US power pop combo called The Shoes, but I don't seem to remember what they sounded like. I think you all know what I'm trying to say here. (No it's not that Mark wears those shirts to be witty).
Anyone remember the fantastic version of Love You More that the Buzzcocks did on Revolver? They had great shirts - Mondrian goes day- glo things.. and their shoes??? Well exactly, who remembers their shoes?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
If you got those down then you're in business.
― Ally, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I guess my questions assume that it goes without saying that you'll do something you want to do -- I'm taking this for granted. But for a person who listens to even a relatively small range of music, "what you want to do" can encompass a whole lot of different things -- I could look through my record collection and pull out at least 200 very different albums that I'd personally be more than pleased to have made myself. So for me, anyway, the big challenge in working on music is deciding which of those 200 impulses I want to work on following. (And I'm safe in the knowledge that no matter how much I try to follow a particular path, everything I write still ends up with a completely inescapable Nitsuh-quality -- which is what makes me try to think out new paths in the first place.)
― Nitsuh, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I am so very sorry.
― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)