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do you ever find yourself bewildered by some new band or genre?

don't like it...but

think there must be something there. and you're not quite getting it. yet. maybe.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

not lately no! it's kind of depressing actually...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the last time i can remember being really bewildered by something is when i heard discovery but that was only in relation to d punk's earlier work.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo i am bewildered by gr**e. i have the nuuuuum credentials but but but...

the radio shows are awesome...but but but...

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember being a little bewildered when i first heard "i luv u", but it's not THAT shocking if you follow the oxide-->sticky-->more fire progression...

x-post: yeah, i'm a little bewildered by it socially, if not musically. though uh possibly less fervert (and more reliable?) sources tell me that g***e's uh "importance" in the current scheme of uk pirate music is way way overstated.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i luv you is the most exciting record i have heard in the last 2 years. easy. ridiculous.

the rest?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

funny this cut to the chase so quickly

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

well why pretend we're interested in anything else these days?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i last thought this when i first heard Inner City Life by Goldie .. and i never did tune into the whole jungle/d-n-b/garage thing really .. i felt old. for a while. then i didn't care.

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

well, yes. last time I felt this was jungle 94 (i was on the road for 93, stooopid for 92). and that turned out to be THE genre for me.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I've ever felt this. Conflicted yeah, intimidated yeah, but I've always felt I've 'got' stuff pretty quickly - of course I may have 'got' it in a totally wrong-headed way.

The nearest is dub I suppose but that's more a keep-trying-to-like thing.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

so tom: gr**e?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i can't really recall a time since the mid-90s that i was really "guhhhhhh" about something. (i can't tell if this has more to do with me being 15-17 or the speed/acceleration of music then.)

ooh ooh..."grindin"!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

though admittedly that was more a (spring/summer) "oooh i HATE THIS" (fall/winter) "ooh i LOVE THIS" kinda thing.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

grindin is still in my wtf bin, but i figured its a one-off.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

That would come under conflicted I suppose - I enjoy it, it's new, the sounds are great, the lyrics are great, but it also wears me down a bit, I find it pretty remorseless. It makes me excited to live in London and sad to live in London.

Also I don't listen to it nearly as much as the people who talk about it here or on blogs. It's like 2% of my listening at most. I've been feeling down recently anyway and the kind of confident aggression I hear in Grime makes me feel weak sometimes.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

tom btw did you ever hear the "grindin riddim" then?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still waiting to have grime's 'bewilder'ness explained to me, as a small child. I don't hate it or anything, but obv it hasn't changed my life one bit; sonically it's neither helping nor nor startling me.

This generally gets mystificatory responses or a lot of rockists agrreeing, so shdn't really post.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i like being bewildered btw

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

grime = bewildering if yr following along from ardkore/jungle/dnb/speed garage/2step

grime != bewildering if yr comparing it/coming at it from a hip-hop angle

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess no I don't think so! (Grindin Riddim that is, I agree w/your last post) (I've hardly listened to hip-hop either the last cpl of months)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

grime = crap if yer coming at it from a hiphop angle?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(this sometimes DOES make me wonder how much of a "twist" it can really be, since there wasn't anyone you could play jungle to 94-96 and they could go "oh it just sounds like "_______")

x-post: yeah i just came across it the other day! along with the EYE OF THE TIGER RIDDM.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

also explain to me the mutual exclusiveness of hip-hop/jungle angles.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I've started listening to quite a bit of dancehall/ragga recently. I thought it would be 'difficult' but somehow its fine and I'm really enjoying it so far.

last time I was 'bewildered' was when I listened to some psych rock/ improv but eventually adjusted to it.

Actually just thinking abt this a bit more: older forms of music like blues are kind of difficult for me even though I love blues derived stuff. I quite like some Muddy waters/howling wolf but something stops me from playing this stuff regurlarly, and then there's robert johnson and so on.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone loves the eye of the tiger riddim!

I will hunt this one out.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio is OTM re Blues actually - I know I can't dismiss it, that would be total lunacy even for subjective me, but it does make me feel like Geir a bit.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it comes across as crap... as it goes I can't identify myself with any one genre, and while I liked your pop-ardkore-thing as a 13 year old (odd times, when these beats were charting), I became more hip-hop-oriented, but still ultimately poptabulous, which is where I am now. So I like 'Lucky Star' more than anything on 'Boy in Da Corner' -- what can you do?

Jungle culture had more in common with acid/ardkore culture than with hip-hop culture, is the main thing: sonix aren't everything, I suppose. Jungle 94-96 was, as I recall, stratified anyway into 'intelligent' Bukem stuff I couldn't stand and also the more club-oreinted material, which I had not love for (scary!) but could at least identify with (ie, like 'rave', but less happy). But at that stage I was hella undie-indie.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i bewildered with this sudden surge in dancehall. wondering where people were about 10 years ago.

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i only say this because my friend was heavy into dancehall then and everyone hated it. now it seems everyone loves it.

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

julio: what do you think of gr**e?

(and the blues: i am not so much bewildered as...distanced: is this simailar?)

and dancehall 10 years ago was...ugh...what made me give up. til last year. (maybe i should revise)

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

10 years ago I was listening to the first oasis album. hey, I was 14.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

dancehall 10 years ago wasn't half as exciting as what was sampling it. it really is/has gone through a creative renaissance in the last three or four years.

gaz i dont think hip-hop and jungle are necessarily mutally exclusive but you could never play something like "soundmurderer" (the track) to a hip-hop fan (unfamiliar with jungle) and have them go "oh yeh it sounds like a bad neptunes production" which sometimes i fear you can with grime.

as for the blues: i dont know from art, but i know what i like.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Distanced might be a better word - cos it's a matter of focus, the more you listen to something that initially seems very samey the more you notice the little tweaks and differentials, like getting closer to a thing and picking up on details.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mad Cobra was the shit.

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

grime- not sure bcz I haven't heard any yet. I'm not slsk anymore (might get back soon *sigh*) and I can't pick up the pirate shows as I'm at work when its happening.

I did actually get an old dancehall comp and I couldn't get through it. so...meh.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

older dancehall i find rather hard going sometimes.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose when Chaka Demus and Pliers - Murder She Wrote is the big hit, its pretty bad.

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

that would be mid period dancehall strongo?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i guess maybe late 80s-mid 90s? obviously i like all the "big hits" ("sleng teng", etc) but god i downloaded "punanny" the other day and couldnt even make it through one listen.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"obviously"

but yeah, lovers was nicer back then.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

well everyone HAS to say they like old skool dancehall now to get their hipster badge

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

your right.

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

thas ok strongo yer credibility dong is my favourite.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

dongo longington

― Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It's time to stop pussying out, Yorke, and pick up a guitar and fucking strike it!

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

for me (been listening intently to hip hop for maybe 15 years), grime is no more interesting than other experimental hip hop. in fact, it's just not as good. but certainly not bewildering...more like...just doesn't quite work.

― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

well, its bewildering because

it doesn't push many (any?) of the pleasure buttons usually recognised by (UScentric) hiphop fans.

it also doesn't have the rhythmic "intelligence/extremism/sophistry" associated with jungle/dnb/speedgarage/2step

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

What pleasure buttons does it press?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe its cos it seems so alien

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

My fave period of dancehall remains late '80s and early '90s, but those were the years when I first had access to pirate radio... I can't get with lots of the contemporary stuff I hear, lots of it seems a bit relentless. I'm not big on relentlessness.

Do I count as one of those hipsters, Jess? It's so hard to tell.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

oh don't worry you're my fave hipster Tim.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't judge the british...it's a whole nother language

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh Julio next time I see you I'll give you an asymmetrical slap!

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

note to self: if you must start a thread after drinking 11 beers make sure you don't wait til after 14 beers to stop.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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