Calling All Lifter Puller Fans, Who Has Heard The New Hold Steady Album?

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Currently in a queue on Kazaa. Is the album worth getting?

― Barrington, Friday, 6 February 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Quick all three of them to thread!

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

yes. it's very very good

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(I'd really like to hear this band but the idea they're some THING bugs me, nowhere but ILM is their name revered as far as I know)

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hold Steady .. coming soon

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Have seen them live. they kill!

― sudzy, Friday, 6 February 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Silly Sailor, check out LFTR PLLR and try to get over that they are a supposed "thing." There's a reason they have a number of fanatical fans among this crowd... it's very unique stuff. "Fiestas + Fiascos" is perfect.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

They do kill live, beyond belief. I'm waiting till the album comes out to procure it so that I'll get the most of that moment.

― scott m (mcd), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

most definitely ignore whatever "thing" bias you have. lftr pllr are spectacular.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 6 February 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to five tracks so far. Tentative thoughts: Songs good, Craig the same old provocative voluble obstreperous Craig; guitarist seems very out of place, like he's just returned from long trip to Pluto and believes he's playing a Mott the Hoople session. So you don't get Lifter Puller's guitar-and-voice-in-superball-collision-session greatness. Therefore, Hold Steady seems wrong for not being Lifter Puller. I suspect that after several listens they'll fall together for me as Hold Steady.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

They're playing March 4th at the Mercury Lounge in NYC... Is anyone going? I'm still really really sick, but I love the album and Lifter Puller were always great live and Craig is kinda cute and I'm mad at myself for missing them last month with Les Savy Fav and it's my birthday the next day so i should have fun and so I think I'm going to go.

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I've seen Hold Steady three or four times, and they've been great every time. I think that will be a good show.

Slightly more information here: March 4, 2004 - 9:30 p.m.
// Vietnam (Vice Records)
// The Hold Steady
// The Oranges Band (Lookout! Records)

I don't know those bands, but I tend to enjoy the other bands (e.g., Pilot to Gunner) that play with them.

― subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw the oranges band a couple years ago and they were great! i recognized the singer/guitarist as he who played bass with spoon in the early spoon days. they had 3 guitarists which i immediately turns me off but they played off each other very well, it was not very overdone at all.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it a lot.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Clarification: The Hold Steady are scheduled for 9:30, so the first band will be on well before that.

I'm going. I will be the drunk guy. Say hi to me.

― subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

they are playing mpls on the 15th. will i be there? no, i won't. i will be flying to arizona with my dad to drive my late grandmother's oldsmobile back.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

which almost sounds like a craig lyric, if dad and i overdo the dramamine. anyway, patrin have fun!

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

And I get off work at 9 tomorrow. How fortuitous. I b'lieve I'll swing by. This isn't gonna sell out is it? Tickets at the door?

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

it's probably not going to sell out. It's only $8 too.

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 4 March 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't bought tickets yet. I think I'm fukt.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm planning to go after 8:30 so I hope I can get in as well.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 4 March 2004 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

There is an all-ages show too so that might help your chances of getting tickets...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 March 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i've heard nothing but good things about the live show, although i've managed to miss them everytime they've played thus far. i'm hoping to break the streak tonight and actually see them.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 4 March 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Very great last night. I think they played the whole album.

― scott m (mcd), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

they'd be a great bad if they ditched the singer *ducks*

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

they'd be a great bad if they ditched the singer *ducks*

damn strongo you're on hit legit today!

*performs incantation to summon the angry Matos to thread*

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

do not think i know not what i do in saying this.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, it's not a re-hash of the great matos vs. josh fight of '02, because i can understand WHY people like them. my dislike (probably even too strong a word) is a purely aesthetic reaction.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Tonight:

ONE NIGHT ONLY!

For the ILM Welterweight Belt:

Strongo Hulkington Vs. Matos WK

10 PM
The Nice-Nice
Minneapolis
Located on the corner of 15th and Franklin

*this is a Nightclub Dwight promotion*

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

David Sylvian makes me want to vomit, so we're on equal ground here

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the hold steady was AWESOME last night. i can't believe i had never seen them before! (never saw lifter puller, either.)

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

seeing them live = optimum, esp. for nonbelievers

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't wait for the Sylvian/Hold Steady collaboration.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

oh the hold steady were so great last night. great great great great great.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

god damn it.

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 5 March 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the crowd was kinda weird. there were lots of cute 'indie' boys, but also lots of short big-boobed trashy hos wearing tube tops. has anyone else seen the video? its nice, in a low budget sort of way.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 5 March 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo, don't you just listen to disco and shit, anyway?

― scott m (mcd), Friday, 5 March 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was a great show. The Hold Steady was great, and I'm enjoying the CD. I wasn't crazy about Vietnam, but the Oranges were fun.

― subgenius (subgenius), Friday, 5 March 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hrmmmm i dunno fellas, wish i liked it more! course i had a crap night apart from the show, so i need to think about it. something about the tempi maybe? i was hoping they'd be faster i guess.

― g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 14 March 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read interviews with Craig where he seems cranky about the NYC music scene and all the disco/electro influences, which is both surprising and disappoining -- I'd've figured from his work with the Brokerdealer that he might be kind of open to dance music, and I'm a bit wary of the potential for future cranky-old-manism to seep into his music. On the other hand, the Hold Steady's admittedly a "let's sit around and listen to Thin Lizzy and Van Halen and see where that leads us" kind of band, which I sure as hell won't scoff at.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Picked it up last night at Amoeba Hollywood. So far, I am blown away. No disappointment at all. "Certain Songs" is my fave single song of the year so far, too... it has this "goddamn it, that's clever" quality to it (like Built to Spill's "You Were Wrong" maybe) and it hasn't gotten old after three successive run-throughs.
Can't wait to see them live.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i fell in love with "certain songs" when i saw them a few weeks ago.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

cranky old men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dance

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"Music rots when it gets too far from the dance." -- One cranky-ass motherfucker.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

you misunderstand.

cranky old men >>>>>>>> any musical genre or form, etc.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I better stop before my gnomic playfulness becomes sheer abject stupidity.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! I'm going to see them this evening. I really really like the record.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

M, you're going to be at the Nice Nice? Do you need a ride? I probably still have the key to the loading dock.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

dammit Kate! Envy envy envy

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

fave rock album of the year EASY

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I was listening to it again when I was out running errands and it's really not a drastic sonic change from LFTR PLLR; the subject matter is somewhat different in that it's more geared towards band-specific travails and how they relate to trashed-out afterparty casualty fucking/drugging/bleeding unpleasantness. I am tempted to accuse Craig of overdoing all the variations on that "my/his/her name is [such and such] but you can/people call me/him/her [such and such pop culture reference]" phrase, but they're always reliably amusing so I can't complain too much.

Anyways, great album. If you're on the fence, whatever you do, don't read this. It will make you want to hit people.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

God, but knowing the restaurant he's talking about -- Joya on Court Street in Brooklyn (good food, but one of most obnoxious, ignorantly self-parodic places I have ever been to in my life - you are literally sitting 3 feet from a guy in a cocked Von Dutch hat spinning house like he's playing to an Ibiza sunrise while you try to enjoy some pad thai), Craig Finn's reaction seems totally reasonable and excellent.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but joya's good, even if tuk tuk, over on smith st., is light years better...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me, Craig wasn't the problem with that article.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I see now, Nate -- I thought you were bummed at Craig's perceived "anti-dance music" stance (since some kind of "anti-dance backlash" has recently been discussed on a couple of other threads).

Anyways, Yanc3y - I don't know Tuk Tuk - I moved from Wyckoff and Smith St. in early 2002 to Cali, and haven't been back to visit yet. Is Zaytoon's still there? I loved that place. But Joya -- yes, the food was really good, but the place was just PREPOSTEROUS. I don't know how New Yorkers can make fun of L.A. when there's restaurants like that in the city.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes them feel better. Poor souls. *hides*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The Downtown Brooklyn Thread

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Ben: I was, sort of, but he's obviously not a total didact about it, esp. compared to the guy who wrote that article.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i really did shudder when i got to the phrase "plain-old" (used as a compliment)!

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, when you write about rock in the way ad execs wrote about Pepperidge Farm or Smucker's raspberry preserves, it's time to call it a day

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the opposite of "plain-old"? "fancypants"?

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"frippery-laden"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"belly-whistly"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"new and, ergo, frightening"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

zaytoon's is still there. in addition to the offensive djs, joya also has MASSIVE SLUGS on the patio.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of slugs, I saw Craig at an Atmosphere show last month. He did not, to the best of my knowledge, direct any rockist slurs at the DJs in attendance.

FWIW, Slug from Atmosphere seems to have become a Craig Finn evangelist. There are two obvious LFTR+PLLR references on "Seven's Travels," and there's an interview in some magazine (Punk Planet?) that approached deification.

― subgenius (subgenius), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

slug is on the lftr pllr song "math is money", which was on the Your Flesh compilation.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it seemed like Lifter Puller, Dillinger Four, and Atmosphere had a mutual-admiration society going back in the day...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Which brings us again to "Certain Songs," where Craig Finn is cleverly listing off jukebox combinations (c3, a9, and so forth) and then says "and D4 is for the lovers!," which was one of Dillinger Four's t-shirt slogans a few years ago.

Goddamn it, that guy is amazing.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

there's nothing back in the day about that particular mut-congrat society, it's pretty ongoing. Slug used to man the merch table at LP shows in Mpls.

I don't think Craig's much of a rockist at all, actually--maybe I'm wrong, who knows--simply because he's always written with a lot of empathy for subcultures not his own, particularly rave. also, I think he likes hip-hop too much to completely qualify.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he just hates the '80s.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 18 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...

Is anyone going to see them at the Knitting Factory Hollywood tonight? I am very excited to hear some new songs...

― Bent Over at the Arclight (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 25 February 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

the led zeppelin cover really sucked on the single..are they working on a new full-length? i'm curious as to what direction the Hold Steady is going to take...i wonder if they're going to continue the 70s rock vibe....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The new album (due out in May) is easily my favorite album of this year so far, give or take M.I.A.....I also like it much more than their last one, and maybe as much as the best Lifter Puller stuff. It is about how Catholic girls start much too early (or one particular Catholic girl anyway). It mentions lots of saints, just like the long 12-inch high mass dance version of the litany of the saints or the Apostle's Creed or whatever that long rap that priests used to do about Cyril and Methodius et. al. used to back before Vatican II fucked everything up. It sounds a lot like Thin Lizzy, though my 15-year-old daughter (who also likes it) says Modern Lovers instead. It has a line about Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped. And just like the new Oneida album (which is also very good, albiet surprisingly twee plus they kept all the songs short as an apparent excercise in discipline), it also has stuff about "Charlemagne" on it.

― chuck, Friday, 25 February 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Pfork has info on the new album and tour. I heard that Charlemagne song at the last show, and enjoyed it quite a little bit. Haven't heard the new record, though.

― subgenius (subgenius), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got this in the mail today. It was all I could do to keep myself from traipsing about my apartment building singing "I've got a golden ticket".

Haven't gotten the chance to listen to it yet, but Thin Lizzy +/or Modern Lovers = a thing of wonder and beauty

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, as far as "continuing the '70s rock vibe" goes, I never even knew they had a '70s rock vibe before (my problem with the first Hold Steady album is despite all the cool words the music wasn't as memorable as Lifter Puller in my humble opinion), but this album sure does. It is hard hard hard rock, in the most songful way possible. As Phil Lynott wannabees go, Ted Leo should just go hide in a hole now (and besides Ted Leo was more Joe Jackson than Phil anyway despite his intermittently Lizzyesque Pharmacists as everybody knows.)

― chuck, Friday, 25 February 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, I can't wait for this record. Charlemagne was discussed on the first Hold Steady record, too. Bummed to hear that Zeppelin cover was no good... I bought the 7", but still have yet to hear it as I am currently turntable-less (and nobody has ever had it on soal-sikh).

― Bent Over at the Arclight (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i've really been digging it

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I think the record's music was pretty 70s - sax and piano breaks - finn's steadily evolved all the post-fugazi/jawbox type angular guitar chop out of his stuff over the years....it's alot more 70s now than it was at the beginning (esp. the first album which barely registers as LFTR PLLR to me).....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

but I'm way excited for this sounds cool - Thin Lizzy!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 25 February 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Huge fucking drag -- Just got back from the Knitting Factory. The Hold Steady finished before 10:30, even though they were the headliners, to clear the club out so they could have something called "Chinky Soul" night. Fuck you, Knitting Factory. No mention of an early curfew on the site or in ads. Bullshit.

― Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(Jon's attempt at criticism via urination removed. - Mod.)

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

jon!

― f--gg (gcannon), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

hi deres

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

JIM ORROURKE BUKKAEKE

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Saturday, 26 February 2005 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

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