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I'm wondering why some people's assumption is that if chart pop / mainstream rock isn't necessarily your thing, then you're immediately a pretentious elitist attention / awe seeker. Seriously.

I've gathered that these forums ARE NOT a chart pop / mainstream rock kind of place, YET the aforementioned attitude constituted part of the warm regards I received as a "welcome" here.

"Oh, how very indie canonical! He surely wants to impress us."

Wouldn't it be nice to have someone WANT to impress you? Maybe that's why you'd like to think that's the case. Really. It's not.

Thank you.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha i don't think i've impressed anybody with my corny indie fuxxness

― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

anytime

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

btw, if you've gathered that these boards are NOT a mainstream pop kind of place, you haven't been reading very carefully.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I have read carefully, and the general consensus in terms of musical preferences is definitely not mainstream in the MTV / top 40 radio sense---for the most part.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

If anything, there's WAY TOO FUCKING MUCH positive emphasis on mainstream pop on ILM.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

that's because there *is* no general consensus.

(crosspost)

― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, all right, I'll take your word on it. You seem like a nice and intelligent guy. :)

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I've noticed that it's been hip for former self-professed indie kids to embrace pop, since last year. Check pitchfork's recent pop praises.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

who wants to handle this one?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Excuse me, handle what?

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

handle your query. it happens about once a month.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Send the boys round.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting, Matos W.K. I just hope your condescension isn't the best answer I'll get.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

all right, I'll do it. Salvador: ILM is stuffed full of people who like mainstream pop music. some of them like indie rock, too. some of them used to and don't really anymore. and some never liked it in the first place. additionally, lots of folks here get annoyed with the idea that indie rock is or should be at or near the center of all discussion of popular music, or that anyone who likes mainstream pop or discusses it seriously is somehow "kidding" or jumping a bandwagon.

xpost: oh, you ain't seen nothing yet. trust me.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Why, thank you. ( smokes the peace pipe with you )

Now, let's move on.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

BURN INDIE CRAP BURN!@

http://home.freeuk.com/wimp/c2k/burning-12.jpg

― may pang (maypang), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

additionally, mainstream pop is not even CLOSE to all of what gets talked about here, by a long shot. but it's always been a pop-friendly place. anyhow, there are all kinds of people who like all kinds of music here, which is one of the things I find worthwhile about it. but pop is, or is near enough to, the center of what a lot of us are interested in and/or talking about a lot of the time.

there is also quite a lot of anti-indie sentiment 'round these parts, as may pang has just demonstrated.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Salvador, I think you're responding to my attack that everyone was brandising band names like Abercrombie and Fitch shirts. I only wanted to create a real dialogue, not offend. It's an interesting discussion, is it not?

― Playa Hata, Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

It is, Playa Hata. Anyhow, it's quite ok... really. No hard feelings. :)

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Playa Hata's tastes didn't impress anyone, if I recall. But he didn't mind.

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Delete that post above. I'm retarded.

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Check, plz!

― may pang (maypang), Saturday, 7 February 2004 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm...my last post didn't appear. Anyway, it was something about how I took my agressions out on Salavdor because I had spent time with people who refused to admit that we have a need for accpeptance, and often try to obtain it via discussions about our likes/dislikes. I mean, that seems like a simple concept to me! But at the same time, we do seek like-minded individuals not only for acceptance, but for inspiration. So I took out my aggressions in a place where we're all trying to meet like-minded people...not a great thing. Sorry, Salvador.

― Playa Hata, Saturday, 7 February 2004 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Now we shall all make some sweet lesbian love.

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Somewhere (on this site) there might still be a description of this board as being intended for the discussion of pop music. I remember reading that shortly after I arrived and wondering if I should go away, but clearly as things have developed here, a lot more than pop gets discussed.

I think what Matos said pretty much sums it up.

Also, if you are going to say stuff like: I've noticed that it's been hip for former self-professed indie kids to embrace pop, you may get some pretty annoyed responses from pop fans who could point out you are making a similar accusation to the one you are complaining about when its applied to your taste.

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It is unlikely that a significant proportion of mainstream pop fans are ex-indie. it is possibly more likely on this site, but that still gives primacy to indie, a primacy im not sure is valid. it might be more accurate to suggest a significant proportion of ex-indie fans have moved on to pop, as the original pool is smaller.

there are many people who are interested in music that is neither indie or mainstream pop.

the *acceptance* of mainstream pop in indie circles over the last few (3 or 4?) years is interesting though. it also seems to have gone past the stage of ironic appropriation, at least to an extent.

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(one of) the problem(s) with ilm is that in the eyes of many people all music not somehow tangentially related with indie rock (or its bastard stepchildren) is "mainstream pop".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

given that 50-75% of the music i listen never charted anywhere (or has a hope in hell of charting anywehre, let alone breaking through to a wider audience), notwithstanding of course, right guys?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

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