Explain 'Running Up That Hill" NOW

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This song seems so mysterious, so freighted with meaning, it's almost cabalistic.

So WTF is it actually about??

lee ward (lee ward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking.

g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'cabalistic' is a good word to describe it as 'makimg a deal with god' is a big part of kabbala/judaic tradition, eg the covenant.

pete s, Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate explains it, slightly:

"It's a bit of a cliche at the moment, with so many songs called this, but it is very much about the power of love [Kate is referring to two then-recent pop singles, ``the power of love'' by huey lewis and the news, and ``the power of love'' by jennifer rush, both of which were big hits in england in 1985 - ied], and the strength that is created between two people when they're very much in love, but the strength can also be, um...uh...threatening, violent, dangerous as well as gentle, soothing, loving. And it's saying that if these two people could swap places - if the man could become the woman and the woman the man, that perhaps they could understand the feelings of that other person in a truer way, understanding them from that gender's point of view, and that perhaps there are very subtle differences between the sexes that can cause problems in a relationship, especially when people really do care about each other."

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ooh what a great song

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

She always pretends that her songs have no deeper alchemical meaning, but that's just to protect the unitiated from the dearing heat of kundalini. 'Running Up That Hill' is about the Conjunctio.

Coil, who once wrote a track called 'How To Destroy Angels', have on two separate occasions in interviews expressed a deep and abiding fear of Kate Bush.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

'dearing' = 'searing'

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Tell me more about Coil's fear (if you're not pulling our leg).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay have expressed a fear of Bush.
Morrissey has a fear of bush.

pete s, Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

damn i love her

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It's funny, my wife asked what "Cloudbusting" was supposed to be about this morning.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I gathered that "Running Up That Hill" was about the death of the protagonist's father, and how she wish she could alot her youth to fulfilling said father's amibitions (those being the work described in "Cloudbusting," i.e. weather manipulation). All very Ray Bradbury.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If "Cloudbusting"'s video is any indication, it refers to Wilhelm Reich's experiments with orgone accumulation (including in order to manipulate weather). The boy in the video/song (played and voiced by Bush) would be Peter Reich, whose "Book of Dreams" also appears in the video.

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Whats up with the clip for Running up that Hill though? Those grey his and hers leotards, ew!

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I found this interview with John Balance from Coil:


http://shibuya.cool.ne.jp/beze/brai/brain03.html.


What are your memories of the Scatology period?

JB: First proper album, dealing with alchemy and pataphysics and Marquis De Sade and sexual experiences in Morocco. Produced by Jim Thirlwell - soundwise he had quite a lot of impact. From about halfway through anyway - we started it here at home on a Fairlight Two, same as Kate Bush used to use. I was really into Kate Bush at the time. You can hear that on the record - if you hear the machinery you can. I used to think that actually somehow she was stealing my ideas - talking about paranoia. I've got notebooks, this was about the time of The Dreaming, I'd write ideas for songs down and then when I heard The Dreaming they'd all be on the album. I think that possibly some kind of parallel psychic space is being carved up there.

Have you ever met Kate?

JB: No, no, I think I'd be too in awe to do it.

PC: She's only little.

JB: Yeah but she's powerful. . .

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but what's "The Anal Staircase" about?

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Clearly it's about gay sexmagic.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, gay sexmagick.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, on an alchemical level, both 'Running Up That Hill' and 'The Anal Staircase' are about kundalini rising through the conjunction of opposites in the sexual act. Only the point of entry differs: as Kate says, 'it doesn't hurt me'.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

see, that's what i figured.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the idea of The Anal Staircase being an answer record to Running Up That Hill. That's beautiful. wait, did kate's come first? i can't remember. i had both 12 inches, but i never thought to connect them.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

According to Balance, his ideas for songs and hers co-existed in a kind of psychic parallel space. I think that clears it all up.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Big Boi sprawls in an expensive lounge chair. Blunt smoke spirals up from a nearby ashtray, and the light from a giant aquarium wobbles around the otherwise dim room. Bloodshot eyes follow the lazy movements of Billy Ocean the shark.

The cell phone is ringing, the pitbulls are barking, but Big Boi doesn't hear any of that. He paid a lot of money for his speakers, and they make it sound like Kate Bush is standing behind his chair, leaning forward to sing directly into his ear.

"Amd if I only could, I'd make a deal with God, and I'd get him to swap our places," she sings. Big Boi shakes his head and chuckles at this notion, then stares into the depths of his snifter. He can see the shark's tiny reflection circling in the cognac.

"Be running up that road, be running up that hill, with no problems..."

High Cholesterol (bastarda), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Just for the sake of needlessly bringing it up yet again, Kate Bush said that one of the last times she cried was when she heard that Killing Joke broke up. Bless'er.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's odd isn't it, Andre can't stand Kate Bush.

pete s, Monday, 9 February 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

There you go - Jaz Coleman: another shaman. Shamans stick together.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Colin you gay sexmagician.

pete s, Monday, 9 February 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay now somebody explain Babooshka.
Preferably in terms of orgone boxes and sexmagick.

pete s, Monday, 9 February 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah well, that's easy. I saw that again a coupla nights ago on Rage - The Darkness was programming. A woman unintentionally turns herself into a succumbus through pursuing her own jealousy. It is a song about black magic going wrong.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

succumbus = succubus.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh I sat through all those tedious glam/pub rock tracks and then went to bed before Babooshka!?!?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah mate. It did get better.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

A friend of mine who used to live in San Diego told me a story once about how he was listening to an '80s call-in-request radio show. A woman called in to make her request: some months ago, she explained, she had been swimming (in the ocean, I suppose) when someone came speeding by on jetskis, hit her, and departed without checking on her. She was paralyzed from the neck down but survived ... and wanted to dedicate "Running Up That Hill" to the guy who'd wrecked her.

One of the most chilling stories I've ever heard.

Joseph McCombs, Monday, 9 February 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

To me, it's about suffering and sacrifice - she wants to switch places with her lover, because he's suffering and she'd rather endure the pain herself ("it doesn't hurt me," "be running up that hill with no problems").

Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate Bush = doubtlessly fascinating, frustrating in her 20s, intimidating in her 30s, and comfortable in her 40s. I'd love to meet her.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about countdown to (female) orgasm. At least I read that somewhere once; too bad I can't recall where, or whose opinion that was.

Myonga Von Bontee, Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it's xgau: "And then there's "Running Up That Hill," a woman's orgasm in 4:58. A-"

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Xgau = virgo intacto then, I assume. Coo-er.

Or LADY intacto anyway, I don't know, he might be into uphill gardening for all I know.

A Lady (starry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

http://vimeo.com/3486161

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 16 March 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

damn i love her
― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:09 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cutty, Monday, 16 March 2009 18:47 (sixteen years ago)

aargh, horrible cover, horrible video, john forte is a horrible person.

i did, however, hear maxwell's "this woman's work" in a deli on saturday and it filled me with joy.

cutty, Monday, 16 March 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)

A friend of mine who used to live in San Diego told me a story once about how he was listening to an '80s call-in-request radio show. A woman called in to make her request: some months ago, she explained, she had been swimming (in the ocean, I suppose) when someone came speeding by on jetskis, hit her, and departed without checking on her. She was paralyzed from the neck down but survived ... and wanted to dedicate "Running Up That Hill" to the guy who'd wrecked her.

no, that was phil collins

da croupier, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

the drums in this song are pretty big

Surmounter, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:31 (sixteen years ago)

this forte cover reminds me of Maxi Priest's "Wild World" until he starts rapping

da croupier, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

I've always assumed it was clearly just that her Dad was in a wheelchair, and so if she could make a deal with God, then her Dad would be able to run up that road and run up that hill with no problem.

Eazy, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

(Isn't there a wheelchair-bound scientists Dad in the Cloudbusting video or somewhere?)

Eazy, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

donald sutherland is not wheelchair bound

da croupier, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:37 (sixteen years ago)

hounds of love on now.

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 19:53 (sixteen years ago)

can anyone explain the kate bush-florian fricke connection in any detail??

ian, Monday, 16 March 2009 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

they have both been remixed by mika vainio, for one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI1DJX9kiF0

Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago)

'remixed'

Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

thanks mika vainio, for ruining that song.

hot weiners is the best and i want a hot weiner (the table is the table), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

do u like vainio in general

Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

cuz if u waited more than a minute to post, u could hear him ~properly~ 'ruin it'

Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

fucking.
― g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:24 (6 years ago)

First answer nailed it, imho.

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago)

nakhchivan, i wrote this: http://www.xlr8r.com/reviews/mika-vainio/black-telephone-matter

hot weiners is the best and i want a hot weiner (the table is the table), Saturday, 4 December 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago)

so yeah, i like vainio, but i've only heard one 'version' of running up that hill other than kate's which i like, and it is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?97cou4a4zetgv56

hot weiners is the best and i want a hot weiner (the table is the table), Saturday, 4 December 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago)

nice....his installation stuff is a bit diffuse for me right now

wouldn't cite ruth (damn that acronym) as first rate vainio at all but it's a nice curiosity

greatness of original intact unless vainio's version gets xmas #1

Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 December 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

A friend of mine who used to live in San Diego told me a story once about how he was listening to an '80s call-in-request radio show. A woman called in to make her request: some months ago, she explained, she had been swimming (in the ocean, I suppose) when someone came speeding by on jetskis, hit her, and departed without checking on her. She was paralyzed from the neck down but survived ... and wanted to dedicate "Running Up That Hill" to the guy who'd wrecked her.
One of the most chilling stories I've ever heard.

― Joseph McCombs, Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:08 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark

this is sort of how i interpreted it, someone has emotionally hurt her and she can't communicate it through words, he would have to experience it herself. and if she could have the nonchalance about the situation that he demonstrates, she'd feel free. but who knows

jeevves, Monday, 6 December 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago)

*should read: he would have to experience it himself. whoops

jeevves, Monday, 6 December 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago)

that's weird, cuz i've always heard it as a song about sympathy and empathy, not any desire to hurt someone in order to prove a point. more that they both feel and can't quite understand the other's feelings, and that she'd like to break through that barrier. not sex nor magik neither.

you don't want to hurt me,
but see how deep the bullet lies.
unaware, i'm tearing you asunder.

^ crux, imo.

phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 6 December 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, contenderizer., i always read it that way too.

hot weiners is the best and i want a hot weiner (the table is the table), Monday, 6 December 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

me too, and also sometimes thought "running up that building" was about the narrator's partner's job/career. amazing imagery

straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Monday, 6 December 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago)

That may be the best-sounding Youtube clip I've heard.

(Thanks for it, btw.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 6 December 2010 05:09 (fourteen years ago)

The Chromatics version is pretty damn good.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzEy5WaQm0A

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago)

There is a wonderful simplicity to this song.

boo (surm), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago)

went for a run listening to the 'hounds of love' album last night, it was really nice.

jeevves, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNUNLn8pgcI

gr8080, Saturday, 19 February 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)

they're like evanescence but even better

you are taking me apart, Lisa! (Z S), Saturday, 19 February 2011 04:14 (fourteen years ago)

wow.

casanova808, Saturday, 19 February 2011 04:29 (fourteen years ago)

every time I listen to this version I get even more amazed at how Sharon den Adel completely ruins everything good about Kate Bush's vocal

katherine, Saturday, 19 February 2011 04:39 (fourteen years ago)

nine years pass...

this was great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSdHgq3oBD8

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 8 November 2020 22:16 (five years ago)

The synth in RUTH is still one of my favorite things in music history

surm, Sunday, 8 November 2020 22:23 (five years ago)


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