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I really like their name.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but their music is better.

'Naughty Boys' might be the greatest synth-pop album ever.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

I was listening to this DJ Harvey radio show mix CD and he played Yellow Magic Orchestra's awesome "Behind the Mask" from XX infinity multiples or whatever that album's called(not XOYO, that's the passage...) and then played Eric Clapton covering that song.

very...weird.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

Just discovering YMO's material. Really great stuff. Both the early mainly instrumental stuff, and the later, vocal but very Eastern sounding, output.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

I love the first three. 'Solid State Survivor' and 'xxo multiplies' in particular. Japan is number one. Some good things on the later records too, though they bland out a bit. 'BGM' has it's moments.

Sakamoto's '1000 Knives' is very close to the YMO sound, more jazz less kitsch though. 'B-2 Unit' and 'Esperanto' I love to tiny bits.

The new Sketch Show record 'Loophole' has disorientingly modern production; it's glitch-o-clock. But it's really growing on me. It's currently a hyper-expensive import, I wouldn't say it's $28 worth of brilliant but if you're a YMO fanatic, you definitely want this. If it ever comes out domestically, people will be talking about it.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

one last descriptive note: 'Loophole' is almost entirely songs, many in english. the production's at the service of the tunes. less pomo than cornelius, less acoustic more tuneful than takemura's songbook material.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

The best news about YMO is that they've just reissued all of the albums, some of them as doubles with different versions on different discs. The first self-titled one has the Japanese/US version split into two, and Naughty Boys is split into regular and instrumental versions. I just got the Naughty Boys the other day so still not sure how it stacks up for me overall, but the self-titled and Solid State Survivor are both fantastic, and am still enjoying most of Technodelic, BGM and Service.

I'm unclear on Xoo Multiples...is it just a compilation of the first two, or are the versions of the songs on that one somehow different?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

Another great thing about the re-releases is they have made marvellous surround remixes that (unlike most surround remixes) aren't only available to the select few that own a SACD player.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

can someone explain this? A friend made me a CD of B-2 Unit and it had this one amazing new wavey pop song on it that was kinda punky, but that wasn't on the LP another friend had, but I can't remember seeing a difference in tracklisting...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago) link

the japanese issue of xxo multiplies was a 100% new album. with extremely odd 'comedy skits' capable of frying the mind of anyone trying to come to terms with what the band was really about.

the us edition replaces the skits with several tracks from 'solid state survivor'. hopefully any new reissue will just feature the japanese edition.

early copies of the us edition of 'B-2 Unit' replaced the dissonant 'Participation Mystique' with the amazing 'Warhead', from the a-side of a 12" single. if the song you're thinking about has a one-beat slapback delay on all the human vocals and insane vocoder vocals for the chorus, that's 'Warhead'. they're both incredible songs.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

extremely odd 'comedy skits'

Those are insane and wonderful. Anyone who complains/can't deal with hip-hop skits probably just won't know WHAT to think about these.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

they marked me pretty deep as well.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ...aaaaaho ho ho ho ho ho ho ah yes

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

Sean, 'Naughty Boys' is amazing. And the second instrumental disc is totally worth getting. In fact, I might listen to it more. Listen to it before you go to bed. It just makes you so happy!

And I agree with milton on 'Loophole'. Pretty great album. I was surprised. The one from '02 'Audio Sponge' is good as well (higher highs, lower lows maybe).

Patrick South (Patrick South), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago) link

Of the reissues, is there one that towers above all others that I should obviously definitely get first, as flavoursome sampler? Or is opinion hugely divided on which is best? Or should I perhaps just buy as many as I can afford? (please make all my decisions for me)

Alex in Leeds (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

So far for me it's Solid State Survivor so far.

Patrick, will definitely be listening to Naughty Boys more. I found the instrumental version a bit repetitious and grating when I listened last but I was also in a bad mood, so...

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

do you understand me mr.ohira ?

eleki-san (eleki-san), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

>Of the reissues, is there one that towers above all others that I should obviously definitely get first, as flavoursome sampler?

'Solid State Survivor' seconded, no contest. Then 'XXO Multiplies'.

Comparing this band with late 70's/early 80's synth pop from other countries; everywhere else, the synth sounds seemed to inevitably lead to concept pop bands focusing on either amped up irony (M's 'Pop Musik') or dehumanized alienation (Ultravox / Numan / Human League, even Moroder etc.) YMO's a bizarrely happy, kitsch party band throwing out references to video games, sleazy lounge music, happy party fun. If it's dehumanizing, they seem very happy about it. Maybe because the same technology in Japan signified unprecedented financial prosperity? I can't know. Seriously, if anyone can knowledgeably fill me in on how YMO was received in their home land, please post to this thread.

Obviously a big part of the group's concept was throwing up a funhouse mirror to the west's asian stereotypes (the Martin Denny cover, the Snakeman Show skits, the unbelievable 'Tighten Up' single: 'We Don't Sightsee, WE DANCE You Understand, Yahdee!'), but they don't seem... angry... they seem happy? Or is it actually intensely focused rage? Or... what? Huh? How?

For perspective, the only other group doing Martin Denny tributes in the late 70's was Throbbing Gristle (certainly coming from an entirely different place).

The last reissue wave was the early 90's, still one decade too soon. Hopefully they'll catch on this time.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

I shouldn't have lumped in M with the other bands, they're the western exception, underlined by the fact that Scott and Sakamoto started collaborating almost immediately.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

I would say Human League were about fun from "Dare" onwards. Also, a lot of the stuff Vince Clarke was involved with was very positive and happy.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

In the case of YMO, "Service" is a rather dark effort btw.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

dude! millar to thread!!!!!!!

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

'Solid State Survivor' isn't as unique as YMO's last three albums. 'Technodelic' is pretty subtle, but a great album nonetheless. 'Service' has amazing songs, but each track is broken up by skits in Japanese, that are bothersome as they interupt the flow. It would have been nice if the reissue had the songs all in a row (and perhaps a few bonus tracks to make up for only 7 songs). The live album 'After Service' is really great as well. 'Naughty Boys' is extremely catch. And Bill Nelson does guitar work on it. Milton's description of the band really only holds true for their first couple albums. Both periods are good though.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:57 (twenty years ago) link

>only holds true for their first couple albums.

I will cop to less familiarity with the later period and shouldn't generalize. Looking forward to checking out the reissues.

(Jon L), Thursday, 12 February 2004 05:24 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Naughty Boys is my favouritest thing ever EVER now kind of. Solid State Survivor is also near-flawless motorik glee. The first album is bop-poppin-blip-cracklin' aceness. Technodelic is a tiny bit harder work but still luscious and unfurly. But Naughty Boys and the instrumental disc are both 100% perfect. My world is completer for YMO (it is too late to be articulate about why but YAY)

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

If anyone is interested there is a bloke on Ebay.com who sells YMO DVD releases pretty cheaply, about £7 each plus p&p (there's about 8 I think, in total) it's mainly live stuff and videos, they seem to have kept a pretty extensive archive of concert films. I bought a couple and they are very watchable, kinda gives an extra edge to the music when you see the kindof *Devo* live setup they had.

mzui, Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:03 (twenty years ago) link

How did I miss this? When I'm a millionaire I plan to open a bar in manhattan called "RYDEEN" that plays nothing but YMO, Telex and Kraftwerk all day and night. Like that bar that plays nothing but Turbonegro, but less leather, more pomade and robots.

my YMO 10 right now

1. Taiso
2. Rydeen
3. Firecracker
4. Tighten up
5. Tighten up (I can do this!)
6. You've got to help yourself
7. Light in darkness
8. Nice Age (perverse!!!!)
9. Day Tripper
10. Absolute Ego Dance

B-2 Unit is indeed an excellent record. I'll have to check out 1000 Knives. I've been tetchy with Sakamoto solo releases as he's rather ...inconsistent. Haruomi Hosono's Monad Box isn't really worth it either.

I have still not ponied up for any Sketch Show releases! *forehead slap*

Ally's mom in the car when Tighten Up came on the stereo: "They sound like they're making fun of japanese people!"

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
YMO so good so so good. like john hughes movie fills but... yeah!

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

there was a copy of ryuichi sakamoto's 'esperanto' at Amoeba SF in the used section for $7.95 tonight.

(Jon L), Saturday, 11 September 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I love "Chaos Panic" right this second. Thanks very much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Would you like to have some coffee?"
"Ah, yes please..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

RAP RAP EVERYBODY RAP.

I can gmail/YSI you guys sick Yamantaka eye remixes also!

Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

please do mr williams

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard something off "1000 knives" at the record store yesterday. sounded like gong's "a sprinkling of clouds" crossed with kraftwerk's "home computer". i think i'll have to get it.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"absolute ego dance" is the business (like the rainbow island video game theme music tripping on something wonderful)

joseph (joseph), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
The new Senor Coconut album is called Yellow Fever and you can guess what group gets reworked this time out. But all three YMO guys are on it individually, so that's nice. And I gotta say the take on "Rydeen" is utterly wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"Firecracker," "Simoon" and "Behind the Mask" not far behind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Ok, so I've gone YMO bonkers these last few weeks and held off reviving this thread as long as I could.

Solid State Survivor's so outstanding I can't believe I didn't happen upon it earlier, the perfect synthesis of their pop orientalism and mastery of electronic texture -- the "Japanese Kraftwerk" thing really plays here, with "Behind the Mask" (bizarre history notwithstanding) something of an antidote to "The Model" (there's an absolutely hideous YouTube clip of Sakamoto playing this in the 90s that makes me shivver to even think about). "Insomnia," too, with the noirish vocoder melody that appears in the last third.

I'm only digging into BGM now, but Technodelic seems to get seriously short shrift -- the sound develops by leaps and bounds here, with "Taiso" birthing Nick Rhodes perhaps even more than Richard Barbieri ever could. Transitional, but not the worse for it. Shades of the Beatles, which would show up later on with "Lotus Love."

With Service and Naughty Boys, the music becomes extremely...digital, more symphonic. Some great stuff -- "Limbo," "Wild Ambitions" (featuring Bill Nelson's eBow pretty prominently), "Kai-Koh." These records almost sound like a different band, featuring little of the wit or bounce that kind of defines early YMO songs like "Absolute Ego Dance" and "Firecracker," with much more of an opaque Ippu-Do thing going on.

Still digging in, but with such a diverse profile, it's hard to believe these guys were left with such a niche reputation.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I've only got BGM. How much better is, say, Naughty Boys, relatively? I liked some of the songs off of BGM a lot, but I didn't feel that any of them really compared to....well, ok. I always heard them referred to as "The Japanese Kraftwerk". Kraftwerk is probably one of my favorite bands ever, so it's a lot to live up to, but - nothing off of BGM compared to Kraftwerk to me (Or if it did, only to Electric Cafe-era Kraftwerk).

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Thursday, 2 November 2006 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Naughty Boys is the album where YMO really found their sound. It's also a lot more cohesive than the grab-bag of BGM. I don't think of them as sounding like Kraftwerk at all by '83 and '84. It's shiny, happy synth-pop.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Technodelic seems to get seriously short shrift

It's great! "Epilogue" should reduce many a grown man to sobbing.

LC (Damian), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Zachary, you should check out "Insomnia" off Solid State Survivor. Patrick's right in that by Naughty Boys (and Service before it), the band doesn't really have the Japanese Kraftwerk thing going on at all, though I'm not sure with his belief that it's their "best" era or where they found their sound. It's just different, more overtly pop.

with "Taiso" birthing Nick Rhodes perhaps even more than Richard Barbieri ever could

Clearly I meant "Light in Darkness" here.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, does anyone know a good comp of theirs with rarities (single mixes, etc.)? I was eyeballing Overseas Collection with some envy, but that's utterly impossible to find for anyone outside of Japan. Likewise for Techno Bible...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

can someone recommend some other Haruomi Hosono projects aside from YMO (solo or otherwise)?

amateurist, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Haruomi Hosono

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Paraiso is really good. Tropical music with a bizarre electronic twist. Very odd and affecting, and quite catchy as well.
Cochin Moon is an early electronic classic. Really neat stuff.
His Nokto de la Galaskia Fervojo soundtrack is chilling, it's minimal (as is a lot of Hosono's stuff) but very cold and moving. Love it.

frogbs, Monday, 15 November 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

so glad this was revived. just found a mediafire folder with all the albums and needed some guidance.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 15 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

really loving these stripped down live versions YMO have been playing this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NTnIJ61z1w

missingNO, Saturday, 25 December 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Love the synth trumpet!

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Whoah, YMO doing "Thank You For Talkin' to Me Africa"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWPbDsPYxZM&feature=related

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I almost wonder if there's something sinister hiding behind some of these lyrics, especially given the stuff they were writing around this time.

Sinister, -- like, in a "we're touching on the dissolution of our own relationships" kind of way?

I've still got Technodon ahead of me! Been exploring moooore or less chronologically, so I want to get properly acquainted with what Hosono and Sakamoto did in the latter half of the '80s first -- Hosono plenty of really weird stuff, and Sakamoto seeming to lean weirdwards in his own way too (Futurista and Neo Geo sound pretty out there -- plus I haven't heard Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia or Esperanto yet). I have some catching up to do with Takahashi too. His solo albums tend to sound dull to me on first several listens, and I have to push myself to listen, but given enough time, I end up figuring out how wonderful everything actually is -- happened big-time with Murdered by the Music, and it's happening again now with Neuromantic. What Me Worry was love on first listen, though. Half of it sounds like it could have been produced by Hosono himself.

TheNuNuNu, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 16:09 (three months ago) link

yup those 3 YT albums are great. I like Tomorrow's Another Day too. some of those later 80s albums aren't all that great but I think his 90s work is really nice. Technodon probably sounds the most like Hosono's Medicine Compilation, which I think came out after, but it's got a few tracks that would slot right in.

Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia is very good, though you probably want to get the original version called Ongaku Zukan, especially the one with the bonus 12 inch ("Replica" is one of his prettiest tracks). Esperanto is pretty odd, I think some ILXors really like it - IMO the best way to experience it is through the video that was released alongside it, just to immerse yourself in total 80s digital mayhem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nJPWJE0cs

frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 16:21 (three months ago) link

Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia is AMAZING, so many catchy melodies. There’s a brilliant rocksteady track, even.

brimstead, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 16:52 (three months ago) link

this is a really really cool comp of Ryuichi productions/solo work that was apparently only ever released as a promo with one of his CM music comps

https://www.discogs.com/release/6005544-Ryuichi-Sakamoto-Gem

brimstead, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 16:54 (three months ago) link

I have (mp3, sadly) and love that GEM collection.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 1 February 2024 05:00 (three months ago) link

Here is it as Flac files - https://we.tl/t-1y4VKQ6cIE

MaresNest, Thursday, 1 February 2024 14:11 (three months ago) link

Grabbed that, MaresNest, thank you! And thanks to Brimstead and Jay Vee for the recommendation.

("Replica" is one of his prettiest tracks)

I downloaded Replica after seeing your recommendation in the Sakamoto thread for it (you said something about icy synths, and I am always game for icy synths) and then played it about a hundred times.

My Naughty Boys translation project ended prematurely, when I realized that there's already an excellent translation of Kimi ni Mune Kyun up on Genius. Here I was bracing myself to wrestle with a Takashi Matsumoto lyric (Happy End's drummer/lyricist) and then -- aha. I was glad to be spared the struggle but it was also kinda anticlimactic. But then I thought, hold on...

Chaos Panic, to the rescue! There was no Chinese cheatsheet this time (the comments on the streaming app generally amount to, "Holy hell, this has a vocal version?!" along with a "I thought Hosono's vocals were actually David Sylvian") so, fair warning, this may be rougher / more approximate / just plain wrong than usual.

...

(You got me shaking and quaking
You got me shaking and quaking
Shaking, quaking, my world is turning upside down)

(HH vox)
Autumn showers in the east.
In the west the sun goes down.
Love is a gaze
that shakes violently and sways.
(Earthquake! Earthquake!)

(YT vox)
You say love shouldn't be treated like a game?
Well then, I'll say it straight out:
I love you!

You say times of happiness always come to an end.
Be that as it may, the fact right now is that
I love you!

(You got me shaking and quaking...)

(repeat Hosono verse)

(YT vox)
Leave everything to time.
We sway and rock as one.
I love you now!

When we embrace,
I go floating through the sky.
I love you now!

(You got me shaking and quaking...)

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 1 February 2024 15:19 (three months ago) link

^^ this song will always be special to me, my first YMO was a pretty odd compilation album which had this and this was the song on it I really got obsessed with. though for a while I thought the lyric was "you got to shake it and break it"

frogbs, Thursday, 1 February 2024 15:30 (three months ago) link

I think Hosono would be happy with that mishearing, Frog.

Here, for reference / to satisfy the completist in me, is a copy & paste of user handle qomolangma's translation of Kimi ni Mune Kyun for Genius. I would've kept the unforgettable onomatopoeia and rendered the title as "My Heart Goes 'Kyun' for You' -- but Qomo's "I've Got a Crush on You" gets the spirit across, and anyway, anybody interested in an English version of the lyrics will already have the four letters KYUN written across their heart.

... (cheers, qomo)

I've got a crush on you! During this summer of desire
Place your hand on my shoulder.
I've got a crush on you!
"Have you noticed?" I asked that timidly.

A line dance that moves like a ripple
It's just a plain waste of time
A high voltage glance
as things get heated up

I've got a crush on you!
We printed out a photo of our summer
We're just getting sunburnt
I've got a crush on you!
To me, this is uncharacteristically platonic

The cruel sea breeze
measures the distance between our hearts
The yearning I felt when you momentarily lowered your glance felt so wonderful

(the Italian bit)

I've got a crush on you! "I love you."
I can't say that out easily.

But you often see that
in Italian movies too.

I've got a crush on you! During this summer of desire
Place your hand on my shoulder.
I've got a crush on you!
"Have you noticed?" I asked that timidly.

I've got a crush on you! "I love you."
I can't say that out easily.
I've got a crush on you! We run along the beach
As we get shrouded within the shadow of the fog

I've got a crush on you! During this summer of desire
Place your hand on my shoulder.
I've got a crush on you!
"Have you noticed?" I asked that timidly.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 1 February 2024 15:42 (three months ago) link

listening again to Naughty Boys now that I know some of the lyrics, and yeah can confirm it's still the best pop album ever made

frogbs, Saturday, 3 February 2024 04:58 (three months ago) link

I haven't done a proper reckoning in a while but I think it's crept into my all-time top ten.

Really interesting stuff in the Gem collection, thanks all! Gave my first listen to Ongaku Zukan as well -- wonderful. So much reggae! (which for me is a huge plus.)

TheNuNuNu, Saturday, 3 February 2024 06:50 (three months ago) link

I didn't realize how awesome the lyrics to Camouflage and Mass are. Good, more reasons to adore BGM.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:00 (three months ago) link

I'm definitely interested in the BGM lyrics, I know someone translated the middle section of "U-T" and it was very weird and meta. I can't find it now though!

frogbs, Friday, 9 February 2024 04:36 (three months ago) link

Here's the UT bit, edited for clarity.

...

Hosono: Hello, I'm your host, Hosono. Appearing on the show today are Yellow Magic Orchestra's Yukihiro Takahashi and Ryuichi Sakamoto. Welcome, gentlemen.

Takahashi: Thank you.

Sakamoto: Thank you.

Hosono: First, I’d like to ask Mr. Takahashi...

Takahashi: Yes?

Hosono: Do you know the word U•T?

Takahashi: Well, I know YT, but this is the first time I've ever heard of U•T.

Hosono: Is that so? Well, then, Mr. Sakamoto, what does the word U•T mean?

Sakamoto: It means otherwordly existence.

Hosono: Is that so? By the way, Mr. Takahashi's drumming on this song is amazing, isn't it?

Takahashi: Yes. It is amazing.

Hosono: Yes. Well then, will you listen to this song when it comes out on BGM?

Takahashi & Sakamoto: Of course not!

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 9 February 2024 09:36 (three months ago) link

Gradated Grey and Key back to back are just unbelievable.

TheNuNuNu, Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:51 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Today I heard my way into the Simoon bassline. I don't think I'll be able to notice anything else about the song ever again.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:21 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l79HgXvxP8

Maresn3st, Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:53 (one month ago) link

^^ hah, just coming to post that. it's from the same guy who did that "what's on the Genesis floppy discs" video which I know some ILXors liked.

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 17:49 (one month ago) link

Would any Solid State Survivor diehards mind expounding a bit on what you love most about the album? After a very long stint of it being my least favorite YMO album, yesterday I had one of those "scales falling from your eyes" moments. Could hardly believe I was listening to the same album. I'd love to get some cheat sheets as to what to pay attention to, now that I'm finally attuned to what it's doing.

Also, people here have said SSS is the most Kraftwerkian YMO album. I've never knowingly heard a Kraftwerk song. What should I try first? Insomnia is my favorite on SSS, if that helps.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 29 March 2024 03:47 (one month ago) link

thats a real hard question to answer I mean it's one of the catchiest albums ever made. it plugs directly into that part of your brain that freaks out whenever you hear come on Barbie lets go party

I've never knowingly heard a Kraftwerk song. What should I try first?

what??? I swear I never say things like this but how do you not know Kraftwerk? give 'em a try there's a 50% shot it's your new favorite thing and you're bumping the Kraftwerk thread in a week going "holy shit y'all ever heard Europe Endless" and a 50% shot you're like "nah it's pretty corny but maybe it was cool back it its day". when I discovered them I was the latter but after a while really got into them. anyway Neon Lights is my favorite track by them, the second half especially is some of my favorite music ever, if you want an album I think Computer World will tell you what you need to know. but if you're afraid you'll find them too silly maybe do Man-Machine instead.

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 03:57 (one month ago) link

computer world is their best album and a total classic

ufo, Friday, 29 March 2024 04:25 (one month ago) link

as for SSS the moment at the end of Technopolis where the music slowly fades away but the drums don't is one of the coolest moments in their catalogue. just so you can plainly hear how great YT's drums are on this thing

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 04:34 (one month ago) link

actually come to think of it that's what really makes this album tick. of all the cool synth stuff being done back then the one that really blows my mind is this. like the fact it was released in the same decade that Pink Floyd and Zeppelin were hitting the charts is still crazy to me. you hear Kraftwerk and yeah it's impressive but it does sound like what you'd expect synth pop in the 70s to sound like. Moroder had more sophisicated rhythms but they were still pretty static. YMO however had Yukihiro Takahashi who *sounds* like a drum machine but is in fact someone who by the way can play all sorts of complicated backwards shuffle patterns with ease. so it sounds so far beyond everything else that was going on at the time.

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 04:57 (one month ago) link

That figures, one of the thoughts I had yesterday was, "If this album was JUST drums, I think it'd become a favorite on the strength of these drumfills alone."

OTM re: the Barbie comment, though it makes me wonder why Naughty Boys clicked so soon and this didn't.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 29 March 2024 05:07 (one month ago) link

I always think about that when I listen to the '78 debut -- how in god's name did it occur to Hosono that he should make this kind of all-digital music BUT keep a live drummer?

Which spawned the follow-up thought: is genius actually just the combination of a great idea and the wherewithal/dedication to follow through on it?

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 29 March 2024 05:10 (one month ago) link

I've never knowingly heard a Kraftwerk song. What should I try first?

Kraftwerk released six classic albums between 1974 and 1986* and one of their many remarkable aspects is that each one is completely different in concept and mood to the record that preceded it. Autobahn invented synth-pop and has a very melodic major-key sound, but is also quite Krautrock-y in places. Radio Activity (1975) is much more somber and atmospheric in feel, which of course sometimes exactly what you want.

Trans-Europe Express (1977) kicks off with a lovely pop epic ("Europe Endless") but then works its way through a series of gothic masterpieces. The penultimate track, "Franz Schubert", is hauntingly beautiful and dreamlike; I think it's the most slept-on piece in their whole catalogue. This album marks the point where Kraftwerk acquired their first sequencer, but it's used throughout as a fifth band-member, meaning that there is still a discernible "live" feel in places. By contrast, every track on The Man-Machine (1978) is built up from ultra-precise sequenced rhythm patterns, and the band's drummer essentially became surplus to requirements. This is one of the reasons that The Man-Machine stands in elite company as one of the most influential pop albums ever recorded. That said, conceptual and technical brilliance doesn't count for much if you don't also bring some great tunes to the party, and Kraftwerk delivered on that too. "The Model" was released a single some years later and hit number one in the British charts!

Computer World (1981) doubles down on the interest in danceability that began to appear in its predecessor, and in places radically pares back the band's usual focus on melody and harmony in favour of funky proto-electro drum patterns. That said, it does include their pop songwriting apotheosis, "Computer Love", which is built around their most beautiful and melancholic set of melodies. Kraftwerk are often described as musical visionaries, but what's also fascinating here is that the lyric imagines an electronic match-making service, prefiguring the emergence of Tinder by about three decades. ("I need a rendezvous / Computer love, I call this number / For a data date")

* Electric Café was generally regarded as a disappointment on its release in 1986 and is still derided even by many aficionados. However, while I will admit that it's not wholly on a par with their previous few records, I do really like it. Although Kraftwerk's de facto leader Ralf Hütter subsequently became content for the band to become a heritage act, in the mid-80s he was still very intent on pushing forward musically. To this end, they retired their warm-sounding analogue synthesisers in favour of the most sophisticated (and expensive) digital workstation of the era, the Synclavier. And it had the desired effect, in that Electric Café did sound absolutely state of the art at the time of its release. Although there is a nice, wistful pop song ("The Telephone Call") half-way through, the overall vibe is prescient, angular minimalism. "Boing Boom Tschak" and "Musique Non-Stop" are playful, but also viciously funky. Turn up the volume and the Synclavier's hard-edged drum samples will pummel you into submission.

Vast Halo, Friday, 29 March 2024 11:50 (one month ago) link

I always think about that when I listen to the '78 debut -- how in god's name did it occur to Hosono that he should make this kind of all-digital music BUT keep a live drummer?

he plays bass on it too. actually I'm pretty sure there's real bass and drums on all of YMO's albums in varying quantities. but on later albums it's way more of a mix.

how did it occur to him? probably just heard YT play :)

frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2024 14:44 (one month ago) link

the mood of “rydeen” is particular is very LETS GOOOOOOO!!! what a tune.

brimstead, Friday, 29 March 2024 14:58 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

So apparently, when they were making BGM, Hosono asked Sakamoto to write a new song in the vein of Thousand Knives. Sakamoto said, "Fuck you. Why don't you just put Thousand Knives on it then?"

TheNuNuNu, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:15 (three weeks ago) link

Extensive 2020 interview with Hideki Matsutake!

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/logic-system-interview/

I love that Hosono kept the Infinite Space Octave in mind for THREE YEARS.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 26 April 2024 00:53 (three weeks ago) link

Everyone. Single favorite Yellow Magic Orchestra song. Go!

If the Tong Poo > La Femme Chinoise > Bridge Over Troubled Music > Mad Pierrot > Acrobat suite counts as a single song, then that's the one. The debut is not my favorite YMO album but Side B is definitely my favorite album side.

If not, then it's gotta be Gradated Gray -- one of Hosono's most soulful vocal performances (AND one of his best sets of lyrics), plus that insane -- subtle, ghostly -- band arrangement. If Technodelic as an album is the apogee of the three in full-on-collaborative mode, Gradated Gray is the apogee of that collaboration WITHIN the album. The drums in the chorus destroy me (that little kick-snare combo: "every minute..." kick SNARE). And the vocal melody at the end! Mixed quieter than the main vocals, like they're intentionally encouraging you to listen in. "To where... gray meets white. To where..."

Frogbs, is it still your favorite too?

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 03:53 (two weeks ago) link

that song definitely connected with me during a long drive - there's that line "my car radio's playing a song, that makes me feel very strange"...like yeah I'm listening to it right now. I agree there's something about how everything lines up in that song that feels a bit strange, it's very precise but feels a bit backwards. it's probably still my favorite, so long as you can't pick an entire album side :)

I also like the Sketch Show arrangement of it. fun to see them actually play it so you get a sense of what the band members are actually doing. the added guitars in the chorus are really something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6JaenTfVnQ

and then, 10 years after, this countrified, sorta jazzy arrangement. amusingly without even watching the video I can tell that's Harry on piano. his playing is not unlike it was on the Monad albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NjSg54eNSM

frogbs, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 13:57 (two weeks ago) link

I-in my defense, Side B of the debut is seamless! And each song is the exact same tempo! (And as such, the proggiest the band got?)

Gonna check those out soon. I didn't realize the song stayed in live rotation.

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Also -- after frogbs called the Technopolis fade-out to my attention, (with everything fading out early, but Takahashi's drums playing on at full volume), I realized that Absolute Ego Dance ends the same way: the other instruments fade first, the drums stay (along with some percussive odds & ends). And then Rydeen is the exact opposite, the drums drop out first, and everything else keeps going for a while -- as if paving way for the (relative) quiet of Castalia.

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

Side B of the debut is interesting to me since all 3 tunes do clearly go together but they were all written by different members. They never really did anything like that since. I think back then the band was just supposed to be a one-off on a sort of gimmicky concept so they were all going outside of their usual styles and clearly having a lot of fun with it. in YT's solo catalogue you'll hear songs like Nice Age or Ballet or Cue, but not La Femme Chinoise. nothing Hosono did really sounds like Mad Pierrot.

frogbs, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 16:50 (two weeks ago) link

The After Service version of “La Femme Chinoise”

brimstead, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

For my OPO

brimstead, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

Taiso for me, but it's only a hair ahead of like 20 other songs of equal stature, imho.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

The After Service version of “La Femme Chinoise”

Just heard this for the first time. Takahashi's vocals! Goes to show how far five years of constant singing can take you.

And both those Gradated Gray live takes are awesome. The guitar brightens the choruses up, which is pleasantly disorienting. I love how sedate both arrangements stay and how psychedelic both get, in their own ways. Great woozy piano-led outro in the Hosono version.

Taiso could go for fifteen minutes and still wouldn't get boring.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 2 May 2024 00:11 (two weeks ago) link

Naughty Boys always ends SO SOON.

There's a much improved translation of Lotus Love over at the blog:

https://grainsparrow.blogspot.com/2024/03/translation-lotus-love-yellow-magic.html

(In addition to stylistic fixes, I made a major error in the version originally in this thread -- misread one kanji, ruining a beautiful line...! Sorry Harry.)

TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:16 (one week ago) link

Sports Men isn't the kind of song you'd think would move a man to tears, and yet, here we are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QusyWLaSQf4

2008, huh. Must be one of the all-time "damn shame"s of modern music that the HASYMO-incarnation YMO didn't record a new album.

Frogbs, you ever heard Hen Ogledd? Their album Free Humans is a huge favorite of mine. When I first heard HASYMO's Rescue, I thought, "Whoa! Sounds like the wellspring of Free Humans!" And then when I first heard Underworld's Space, I thought, "Clearly someone in Hen Ogledd loves Underworld." So it might do something for you.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 16 May 2024 01:51 (two days ago) link

I still feel happy that I caught that concert, I was a little perplexed at the setlist (and to some extent the inclusion of Christian Fennesz in the line up) at the time, but it makes perfect sense now.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:06 (two days ago) link

haven't heard of them but I'm listening now and it's cute. kind of reminds me of the Ann Steel album actually. pretty long album but it's entertaining me so far :)

I've wondered for a while what a HASYMO album would sound like - the singles were okay but felt kind of stopgap. Tokyo Town Pages is nice but it doesn't hit me the way the stuff on Loophole does. idk, maybe their styles were too far off. Sakamoto in particular was so far away from any kind of pop music at that point. that London concert ruled though. amazing how for a YMO 'reunion' they only played like 3 YMO songs. probably the right decision though.

frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2024 14:00 (two days ago) link

The first song on the Ann Steel album is killer!

I've got some exploring to do where YMO live is concerned. I feel like I know the studio catalogue inside and out at this point. But I went to look up the setlist of the London 2008 show and found out it has a DOUBLE ALBUM PROFESSIONAL RELEASE, what?! With Fennesz in the band indeed?! I did research into all the live releases back when I was getting started (with frogbs's help over on RYM) but the details didn't mean as much to me then as they of course do now... especially now that I've seen and cried through the back half of that Sports Men... and that was only song TWO of the night.

Also, Philharmony has rocketed up into my favorite albums of all time. It sounded a little thin and scattered for a while, like Hosono had let his usual "Master Overseer Producer" side slide so that he could indulge more freely in the sheer joy of tinkering around with a new synth/computer/toy. But listening to it obsessively this past week has revealed plenty of ingenuity, beauty, and emotion. Amazingly structured too, it turns out.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 17 May 2024 04:00 (yesterday) link

I love that I still have Technodon and the Sketch Show records waiting for me (and countless solo albums, productions, etc). I've been listening to almost nothing but Hosono/YMO since September 2023 and there's still so much just to hear for the first time, let alone reconsider/re-evaluate.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 17 May 2024 04:03 (yesterday) link

There's another DVD/CD release from Lyon that I'm guessing came out around the same time as the London Meltdown gig, not sure if the set lists differ much, or the lineup even.

Three years later they were doing a more straight ahead (for them) YMO set some of which is on YT and you can probably still buy somewhere - https://www.discogs.com/release/8467134-Yellow-Magic-Orchestra-Live-In-San-Francisco-2011

Maresn3st, Friday, 17 May 2024 08:48 (yesterday) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erp2P_zNG1A

Maresn3st, Friday, 17 May 2024 08:48 (yesterday) link

Yet another for the "great live versions of Gradated Gray" folder. Hosono/Takahashi harmonies are the best. Incredible YT drumming.

TheNuNuNu, Friday, 17 May 2024 15:19 (yesterday) link

I'm sure you'll like the Sketch Show stuff, they play a lot of it in those live shows so you probably know some of the tracks. I was surprised how well those albums held up actually, I kinda thought that glitchtronica pop sound was something that you could always tie back to the early 00s but it still sounds amazing

Technodon is an album I really didn't care for when I first heard it, it makes way more sense in context of their 90s solo albums though. like don't compare it to the other YMO albums, compare it to say Medicine Compilation. you could tell their styles weren't really jiving at this time but it actually sounds pretty great, I mean for me the big revelation was simply hearing it on a nice system where the bass really came through

frogbs, Friday, 17 May 2024 20:05 (yesterday) link

also I kid you not the reason why I listen to Technodon so often is because the place I work loves to give out these mint chocolates called "Frango" which always makes me think "Pocketful of Frangos"

actually there are a few good advertising jingles in there. Be a Subaru Man

frogbs, Friday, 17 May 2024 20:16 (yesterday) link


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