What would P&J look like if the people who didn't vote for singles . . . ?

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. . . were polled separately? It would look a little something like this (artist, album, label, point total, (number of voters), [place in actual P&J top 40]:

1. OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Arista 920 (78) [1]
2. The White Stripes Elephant V2 649 (57) [2]
3. Radiohead Hail to the Thief Capitol 397 (36) [4]
4. Fountains of Wayne Welcome Interstate Managers S-Curve 338 (37) [3]
5. The Shins Chutes Too Narrow Sub Pop 257 (24) [6]
6. The New Pornographers Electric Version Matador 245 (22) [7]
7. Rufus Wainwright Want One DreamWorks 222 (24) [11]
8. Warren Zevon The Wind Artemis 216 (21) [21]
9. The Strokes Room on Fire RCA 214 (21) [12]
10. Yeah Yeah Yeahs Fever to Tell Interscope 201 (19) [5]
11. Cat Power You Are Free Matador 176 (17) [14]
12. Richard Thompson The Old Kit Bag Cooking Vinyl / SpinArt 155 (10) [56]*
13. Lucinda Williams World Without Tears Lost Highway 153 (16) [16]
14. Drive-By Truckers Decoration Day New West 151 (14) [9]
TIE My Morning Jacket It Still Moves ATO/ RCA 151 (14) [19]
16. Jayhawks Rainy Day Music American/Lost Highway 146 (14) [41]
17. Johnny Cash Unearthed American 138 (11) [31]
18. Kings of Leon Youth & Young Manhood RCA 135 (14) [26]
19. The Postal Service Give Up Sub Pop 135 (13) [17]
20. Belle and Sebastian Dear Catastrophe Waitress Rough Trade 134 (16) [18]
21. Pernice Brothers Yours, Mine & Ours Ashmont 133 (14) [22]
22. Grandaddy Sumday V2 116 (11) [30]
23. 50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin’ G-Unit/Shady/ Aftermath/Interscope 115 (13) [15]
24. Robert Wyatt Cuckooland Rykodisc 114 (9) [75]
25. Jay-Z The Black Album Roc-A-Fella 113 (9) [13]
26. Death Cab for Cutie Transatlanticism Barsuk 99 (10) [34]
27. Ryan Adams Rock N Roll Lost Highway 98 (12) [48]
28. Rapture Echoes Strummer/Universal 98 (10) [25]
29. Joe Henry Tiny Voices Anti- 98 (8) [82]**
30. Al Green I Can’t Stop Blue Note 91 (9) [53]
31. Rosanne Cash Rules of Travel Capitol 88 (9) [88]
32. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros Streetcore Hellcat 88 (8) [47]
33. Broken Social Scene You Forgot It in People Arts & Crafts 88 (7) [40]
34. The Bad Plus These Are the Vistas Columbia 87 (8) [59]***
TIE Four Tet: Rounds (Domino) 87 (8) [29]
36. Junior Senior D-D-Don’t Stop the Beat Chunky Frog / Atlantic 83 (7) [27]
37. Gillian Welch Soul Journey Acony 81 (9) [81]
38. Fiery Furnaces Gallowsbird’s Bark Rough Trade 81 (7) [28]
39. Califone Quicksand / Cradlesnakes Thrill Jockey 80 (7) [93]
40. Ry Cooder and Manuel Galban Mambo Sinuendo Nonesuch / Perro Verde 76 (8) [117]

Where, you may wonder, does the rest of the top 40 that isn't on here fall in the no-singles-allowed zone?

8. Basement Jaxx: no. 49
10. Dizzee Rascal: two mentions, 23 points
20. Ted Leo: no. 56
23. Libertines: no. 51
24. Missy Elliott: no. 41
33. Notwist: three mentions, 21 points
35. Bubba Sparxxx: two mentions, 19 points
36. Mars Volta: no. 45
37. Led Zeppelin: no. 52
38. Liz Phair: no. 84
39. Johnny Cash, American IV: no. 85

Please note that this is NOT QUITE FINAL--the numbers are not completely hard yet; I'm still in the process of going through (H-Z, ugh) and finding stuff that might conceivably have been overlooked thus far, though I really doubt I'm going to find anything else missing from the top 40. My arbitrary rule was that to get on the final list, an album has to have gotten three mentions, if only to save my own sanity; I'm not done putting shit in order yet. But what you see above is roughly what a non-singles-voter top 40 would look like, and any differences between it and the final results will likely be very minor.

Up later rather than sooner: the real poll, minus non-singles voters' picks.

*as I type this, there is an accounting error on the P&J site, which will hopefully be fixed--The Old Kit Bag and Old Kit Bag are listed separately. together, their points would put the album in 56th place.

**ditto: two versions of the same album are on the list, owing to the record label (one version is Anti-, the other Epitaph). 82nd is where it rightfully belong.

***another one: there's a stray 5-point vote that's been counted by itself and needs to be added, putting it over the Alicia Keys album on the real poll.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(the non-singles-voting block of P&J this year, incidentally, consists of 224 voters)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, this was your all-night project. I thank you. :-)

So Led Zeppelin didn't place at all in this new setup. Interesting. Basement Jaxx not placing I took for granted.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You have truly earned your W.K.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

So it looks about the same. Turns out people who don't list singles don't actually have cooties.

― Richardstone, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

right. looks exactly the same. uh huh. right.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry I just looked at the Top 10, which is pretty close. I see that it changes a lot after. My bad.

― Richardstone, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Very interesting. I figured there would be a zep/no singles correlation.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the Drive-By Truckers/My Morning Jacket tie and shed a tear for Chris Herrington.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck, almost forgot one:

31. The Darkness: no. 78

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

white people be indie rockin!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

*runs away very fast*

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Come back! There are oh so many posts to be made!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Why do you think the Top 10 is so similar, though?

― Richardstone, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

top-level consensus almost always is. but I'd say that two of a top ten that fall off the top 40 altogether signals a pretty significant schism in the voting.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah namely no dizzee, no b jaxx.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

haha whoops i read that wrong, sorry matos

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

[from now on i will merely spell out your posts for everyone]

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

and look at what surges up! Richard Thompson jumps to no. 12 from no. 56 (!), Jayhawks from 41st to 16th, Unearthed floats while American IV sinks, MMJ and KoL rise (again, hah) while D-BT falls, Robert Wyatt gains 52 places and Rosanne Cash 57 and Joe Henry 53 and Gillian Welch 44 and Califone 54 and Ry Cooder 77!

I'm working on this right now and there are some things I did miss; I'll post that when I'm finished.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, what surges are really no surprise at all, but the degree of the actual surging is sort of startling

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The Jayhawks should never surge.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

don't even get me started.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks, Matos, thanks.

I do think it's interesting what trad-rock records actually get hurt by having singles voters removed -- Truckers and Zep. This speaks well of both, I'd say (not that I voted for Zep or anything)

the persistence of the Jayhawks in PnJ continues to amaze me.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

my wife was mocking the PnJ/ILM madness last night ("ILM Christmas," Nate's "sexual offenders registry," everyone searching the Voice site to find the stuff before it's on the front page, keeping track of ILMers in the comments sections, etc.)

She'll be very amused by the demented grandeur of Matos' project.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the persistence of the Jayhawks on this earth continues to stymie me

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

there's also, obviously, a connection between alot of rock records that fell and those records having singles of their own to, presumably, compel their voters to cast singles ballots. I think of radiohead passing Fountains of Wayne, who must have had some fans so enamored of "Stacy's Mom" that they submitted singles ballots when they otherwise might not have.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll say something nice about the Jayhawks. The one time I saw them live, Gary Louris was wearing a t-shirt from the college radio station I was then managing. Thanks Gary!

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

all right, then: the P&J Top 40 albums minus the votes of the no-singles-voted-fors:

1 OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Arista 2634 (227) [1]
2 The White Stripes Elephant V2 1762 (155) [2]
3 Fountains of Wayne Welcome Interstate Managers S-Curve 976 (80) [3]
4 Radiohead Hail to the Thief Capitol 847 (79) [4]
5 Yeah Yeah Yeahs Fever to Tell Interscope 817 (77) [5]
6 Basement Jaxx Kish Kash Astralwerks 723 (65) [8]
7 Dizzee Rascal Boy in Da Corner XL 700 (59) [10]
8 The Shins Chutes Too Narrow Sub Pop 660 (67) [6]
9 New Pornographers Electric Version Matador 636 (65) [7]
10 Drive-By Truckers Decoration Day New West 584 (53) [9]
11 Jay-Z The Black Album Roc-A-Fella 503 (53) [13]
12 50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin' G-Unit/Shady/ Aftermath/Interscope 445 (44) [15]
13 Strokes Room on Fire RCA 432 (49) [12]
14 Cat Power You Are Free Matador 430 (42) [14]
15 Rufus Wainwright Want One DreamWorks 427 (37) [11]
16 Ted Leo & the Pharmacists Hearts of Oak Lookout 392 (34) [20]
17 Lucinda Williams World Without Tears Lost Highway 388 (45) [16]
18 Postal Service Give Up Sub Pop 388 (38) [17]
19 Libertines Up the Bracket Rough Trade 341 (31) [23]
20 Notwist Neon Golden City Slang/Virgin 319 (29) [33]
21 Belle and Sebastian Dear Catastrophe Waitress Rough Trade 315 (32) [18]
22 Missy Elliott This Is Not a Test! Elektra 304 (34) [24]
23 The Darkness Permission to Land Atlantic 302 (29) [31]
24 Bubba Sparxxx Deliverance Beatclub/Interscope 299 (31) [35]
25 My Morning Jacket It Still Moves ATO/ RCA 296 (30) [19]
26 Pernice Brothers Yours, Mine & Ours Ashmont 285 (27) [22]
27 The Rapture Echoes Strummer/Universal 280 (35) [25]
28 Junior Senior D-D-Don't Stop the Beat Chunky Frog / Atlantic 276 (30) [27]
29 Fiery Furnaces Gallowsbird's Bark Rough Trade 272 (27) [28]
30 Four Tet Rounds Domino 262 (27) [29]
31 Justin Timberlake Justified Jive 260 (28) [46]
32 Liz Phair Liz Phair Capitol 259 (24) [38]
33 Johnny Cash American IV: The Man Comes Around American 257 (26) [39]
34 Led Zeppelin How the West Was Won Atlantic 249 (22) [37]
35 Mars Volta De-Loused in the Comatorium Universal 244 (28) [36]
36 Kings of Leon Youth & Young Manhood RCA 239 (24) [26]
37 Grandaddy Sumday V2 232 (21) [30]
TIE Death Cab for Cutie Transatlanticism Barsuk 232 (21) [34]
39 R. Kelly Chocolate Factory Jive 230 (22) [44]
40 Lyrics Born Later That Day… Quannum Projects 218 (20) [45]

what fell off?
21. Warren Zevon: now no. 43
31. Cash Unearthed: now no. 45
40. Broken Social Scene: now no. 47

nowhere as eventful, obv., but note the addition of Justin, R. Kelly, and Lyris Born and the rise of Bubba, Ted Leo, and especially the Notwist.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

the moral, apparently, is that people who vote for singles like most of the same records as the people who don't, but the people who don't like a lot of stuff the people who do vote for singles do not.

wasn't that remarkably insightful?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh the moral being that if you survey a large sample within a universe the results are closer to those of the whole universe than if you survey a small sample.

The small sample's results are very interesting though!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for your work on this, Matos. I've gotta say, I'm not much surprised by either result.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not either, which pleases me a lot, actually. Not in the nyeah-nyeah I'm-right kind of way but in that it redoubles my belief that you get better, or at least more interesting results with a wider approach.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

By my hasty reckoning, the gender balance on both lists is the same: 4 albums by women, 3 by co-ed projects (Basement Jaxx included). Which I guess suggests that, collectively, neither fascist old people nor noble champions of mass culture are especially devoted feminists.

I'd also note that a list without non-singles voters loses very smart non-conservatives such as Ben Ratliff, whose ears I trust more than most voters.

― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

the jayhawks are alright. they used to be better before.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The racial mix improves when the no-singles-list voters are excommunicated. Again, I did this quickly, so mistakes are possible.

Non-whites in Polls:
Fascists: 4 black, 1 multi-racial
Populists: 6 black, 1 multi-racial (Basement Jaxx, which could be argued); 2 other

Jew/Gentile split to follow.

― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

so, by my count, at least half the people who have posted to this thread have lived in the Twin Cities at one time or another. (Thus the strong feelings re: Jayhawks I guess)

(closed circuit to Matt: Don't tell Nate I spoke ill of the Jayhawks. Still have much love for Blue Earth [album and town])

(Go Bucs!)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(chris...I'll let you slide this time....)
(ps I'll tell nate you say hi)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw c'mon Matt, I know you got school spirit and all, but the Jayhawks shoulda hung it up by now. There must have been ten records from the TCs alone better than theirs.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

You are correct, Keith...there may have even been 15. Also, they got dissed on vinyl by the Rank Strangers this year! BURN!

After the "other singer guy" left they were downhill for me....no pretty harmonies anymore : (

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I am so happy I don't have to barback another one of their First Avenue shows I cannot even describe it.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

How could have Cash gone down either way?

― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

American IV fell with the haha "fascists," Unearthed with the populists.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I am dum

― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Populists hate box sets

― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

populists are too busy d/l'ing Dizzee Rascal to listen to five discs of Cash outtakes

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm lousy with math, so I'm not going to bother trying to do this, but if anyone wants to try figuring out the results of

a) only the people who voted at least 80% r+b/hip hop

b) only the people who voted at least 80% indie rock

I'd be very interested in seeing those results.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Then do the list of people who did half of each. By tommorrow, ok?

― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think everybody should be too busy to listen to five discs of latter day Cash outtakes.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It's actually really really good. Probly better than the album. Go fascism!

― Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

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no, but to do both is a lot. or seems like a lot.
Personally, I don't keep track of singles. I like them, and I certainly enjoy the variety they enable, but I always get the feeling that there are way more singles that I don't know about.
It seems a wee fetishistic sometimes, or collectible.
Considering the kids today have grown up with pogs and pokemon and magic cards, I can see single unit songs being far more manageable for them.
Ixxxpost

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

We're back to pokemon riddims again!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Pika Pimp Remix P-Unit (feat. MC Squirtle)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"keeping on top of singles seems a mountainous task that most music writers may find a tad excessive."

Not to be a jerk, but if you're a professional writer about pop music, it's kinda part of your job, no? I mean, I hated taking the garbage out when I worked at Quik Check, but I didn't have much say in the matter.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Considering the kids today have grown up with pogs and pokemon and magic cards, I can see single unit songs being far more manageable for them.

OTM! back in the old days we had hockey cards, pacman and comic books so we were totally into albums, obviously.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Listening to 4 minutes is easier than listening to 70 minutes.

BUT listening to 17-and-a-half 4 minute songs by different people is surely harder (in terms of critical thinking) than listening to 70 minutes by the same person/people.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

if you're a professional writer about pop music

Define 'pop,' eight million past threads to thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Man....pokeman and magic: the gathering? It's all Yu-Gi-Oh! and Dragon Ball Z nowadays.

Here's a little rule of the world: Geeks always find wierd little things to collect and obsess over.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

that which is (a) popular or (b) derived from popular forms.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Arena-, theater- or club-level?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost

or c) carbonated

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost to Ned, who I see is getting his pedant card punched again. how about: non-jazz, non-classical?

I suspect our huckleberry friend is imagining keeping up with singsles as being a lot more detail-oriented than it actually is. all I'm talking about is writing about individual songs; that's all. since Napster that's been pretty much the definition, and in the Voice poll you're allowed to vote for any individual cuts you choose to, not just what's Been Released As A Single.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't listen to the radio much and i don't have cable and i don't download so that's why i'm out of it. although even saying that, i still hear a lot of pop singles anyway. i wish they had a monthly Now That's What I Call Music subscription service.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

not to be a jerk back, but I'm a part-timer who already puts in way more than I get out.

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

popular = people know about it, like it, it has a presence in society at some level, sometimes small, sometimes mega. at least that's how I define it to myself. (and I meant my little pedantry-swat with nothing but affection)

Scott, isn't that what radio and XFM and etc. are?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

in the Voice poll you're allowed to vote for any
individual cuts you choose to, not just what's Been Released As A Single.

I was not aware of this. I'm not a voter.
this is why I was making a point of writing "seems" too.

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

right, that's why I tried to explain it.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know why i'm so turned off from radio. i kinda can't stand most radio stations. but when i do listen to top 40 or whatever i end up hearing stuff that i really like so...i really don't know. it's my problem.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

although, yeah, I do think there's such a thing as a platonic ideal (or several platonic ideals) of what "singles" are (hooky, catchy, interesting, wanna hear 'em again and again, etc.), and I'll look at things that get voted for and be like "how could anyone conceive of This as a single?"

Scott: that last reply to you was more or less me calming down and not posting "DUDE THAT IS A MILLION BILLION DOLLAR IDEA IMPLEMENT IT NOW!!!"

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

popular = people know about it, like it, it has a presence in society at some level, sometimes small, sometimes mega. at least that's how I define it to
myself. (and I meant my little pedantry-swat with nothing but affection)

WUV!

i don't know why i'm so turned off from radio.

I can tell you why I am -- having DJed at a modest level for over a decade, most commercial DJs come across as (no matter how much they might not be) talking-head fuckpricks. Teeny, Marcello and Ally are among the obvious exceptions. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

and i almost never buy singles anymore. i hate cd singles. they are a rip-off. and when i see rap 12 inches and the like i always figure for a couple bucks more i can just buy a whole album so i do. if cd singles were a dollar in the store i would buy a ton of them though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

right, that's why I tried to explain it.
right, that's why I said, oh wait, I didn't say...here's where I say:
"Oh, that is something all together different. Point conceded."

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

So Ned, are you more like a Johnny Fever type DJ or a Venus Flytrap type DJ?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I was more understated straightforward guy, who sometimes played off of the antics of the Mighty Man of Stone.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"not to be a jerk back, but I'm a part-timer who already puts in way more than I get out"

But if you don't vote my comment doesn't apply to you anyway. So we're being jerks right past each other. I'm talking mostly about full-time pros who just can't be bothered, for some reason.

I want to make a dirty joke about "putting out way more than I get in" but I can't figure out what the hell that might mean?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

sadly, it means I bend over for the more senior (dictionary picture rockist) music writer.
and anyway, I barely do any criticism, mostly features and I've featured local groups who only have mp3s available.

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

try an SM club, Keith, I'm sure you can find all kinds of uses for that statement there.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

haha "that statement" COME ON DAN PERRY WE KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe on Wednesday he rests.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he does research on Wednesday.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

wait wait wait wait, who here is beholden to the insane notion that I somehow would be offended by Jayhawks-hatery?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

not me!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(I know you only go for that real hard shit....like the Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers!)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and even then it has to be chopped & screwed

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oh the possibilities....come to think of it I'd like to hear the screwed and chopped Arise, Therefore by Palace.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It could only be an improvement. *hides*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Just for that, I'm doing a Cure covers record!

― Will Oldham (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

And it would be much better than anything you've done so far!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, why must you mock me so? I'm just trying to be the best fauxhemian hillbilly I can possibly be! Can't you give me that?

― Will Oldham (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how Jandek makes a sign of the cross to cure him from ills?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

You at least have to give Oldham's beard some credit! He's up there with ZZ Top and Freeway in pop beard history!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

That yawn you heard came from my innermost soul (the body was too bored to care).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

why do you people hate married folks so much?

― Facetious Rex, Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

different Nate

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned,

The more you ignore me, the closer I get.

― Will Oldham (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, update. this is the final-tally non-singles-voter top forty, right here: rank, artist, album, label, points, (voter total), [placement on all-voter P&J total]

1. OutKast: Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Arista 920 (78) [1]
2. The White Stripes: Elephant V2 649 (57) [2]
3. Radiohead: Hail to the Thief Capitol 397 (36) [4]
4. Fountains of Wayne: Welcome Interstate Managers S-Curve 338 (37) [3]
5. The Shins: Chutes Too Narrow Sub Pop 257 (24) [6]
6. The New Pornographers: Electric Version Matador 245 (22) [7]
7. Rufus Wainwright: Want One DreamWorks 222 (24) [11]
8. Warren Zevon: The Wind Artemis 216 (21) [21]
9. The Strokes: Room on Fire RCA 214 (21) [11]
10. Yeah Yeah Yeahs: Fever to Tell Interscope 201 (19) [5]
11. Cat Powe: You Are Free Matador 176 (17) [14]
12. Richard Thompson: The Old Kit Bag Cooking Vinyl / SpinArt 155 (10) [59]
13. Lucinda Williams: World Without Tears Lost Highway 153 (16) [16]
14. Drive-By Truckers: Decoration Day New West 151 (14) [9]
TIE My Morning Jacket: It Still Moves ATO/ RCA 151 (14) [19]
16. Jayhawks: Rainy Day Music American/Lost Highway 146 (14) [41]
17. Johnny Cash: Unearthed American 138 (11) [31]
18. Kings of Leon: Youth & Young Manhood RCA 135 (14) [26]
19. The Postal Service Give Up Sub Pop 135 (13) [17]
20. Belle and Sebastian Dear Catastrophe Waitress Rough Trade 134 (16) [18]
21. Pernice Brothers Yours, Mine & Ours Ashmont 133 (14) [22]
22. Grandaddy Sumday V2 116 (11) [30]
23. 50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin’ G-Unit/Shady/ Aftermath/Interscope 115 (13) [15]
24. Robert Wyatt Cuckooland Rykodisc 114 (9) [75]
25. Jay-Z The Black Album Roc-A-Fella 113 (9) [13]
26. Neil Young Greendale Reprise 103 (10) [51]
27. Death Cab for Cutie Transatlanticism Barsuk 99 (10) [34]
28. Ryan Adams Rock N Roll Lost Highway 98 (12) [48]
29. The Rapture Echoes Strummer/Universal 98 (10) [25]
30. Joe Henry Tiny Voices Anti- 98 (8) [82]
31. Al Green I Can’t Stop Blue Note 91 (9) [53]
32. Rosanne Cash Rules of Travel Capitol 88 (9) [89]
33. Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros Streetcore Hellcat 88 (8) [47]
34. Broken Social Scene You Forgot It in People Arts & Crafts 88 (7) [40]
35. The Bad Plus These Are the Vistas Columbia 87 (8) [60]
TIE Four Tet: Rounds (Domino) 87 (8) [29]
37. Junior Senior D-D-Don’t Stop the Beat Chunky Frog / Atlantic 83 (7) [27] [27]
38. Gillian Welch Soul Journey Acony 81 (9) [81]
39. Fiery Furnaces Gallowsbird’s Bark Rough Trade 81 (7) [28]
40. Califone Quicksand / Cradlesnakes Thrill Jockey 80 (7) [94]

I overlooked Neil Young on the earlier version. Whoops. Also, the places on the P&J changed for a few, thanks to corrections made online.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 14 February 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The singles-only voters top 40 remains exactly the same.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 14 February 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I have top 100s finished if anyone is interested. I won't post them here, though.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 14 February 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

update: I have posted them on my blog: http://m-matos.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_m-matos_archive.html#107660657527856618

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 14 February 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Much the same.

― muchthesame, Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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