Who is your P&J doppleganger?

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Who scored the closest to you, overall? Who shares your tastes? Was it all ILM, or did you find someone who shared your tastes, and it kinda freaked you out?

I shared two albums and two singles with Geoff Himes, a fine gentleman from Baltimore who runs the Country Music Critics' Poll. I also admire the hell out of Amy Linden's whole Anthony Hamilton jones, I should have listed that higher. I also think it's awesome how Scott Seward and Ben Ratliff and I all voted for El Gran Silencio. (All the rest of you should have, you know.)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

this guy: http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/03/critic.php?criticid=1083&poll_year=2003&type=A&keyword=

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Melissa Maerz and I have many crossovers, which touches my heart.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My list was really amorphus this year (I have Banner, Cat Power AND Mars Volta on there), so no one comes all that close. Three weird things though: Odd to see me on a very short list (voters for Banner S&C) with Chuck Eddy, Jess Harvell and Simon Reynolds. The only ones who voted for the Kills' "Black Rooster" as a single were myself and Rob Tannenbaum. And George Smith and I share a common album (The Darkness). Recall that I'm #6 on that alignment scoring and he's near the bottom. That fuckin' rules. :-)

Chris O., Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

hey Chris I'm on that Banner list too! wa-hoo!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris Herrington and I have almost the same ballot, year after year.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm on the other Banner list with Ethan and Frank Kogan, nyah.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Question for Chuck and Frank: I notice you guys tend to vote for a lot of the same stuff, and that often times, you're the only two that do. Who turns on who to what? And though your tastes are usually very different from mine (my top 3 in 2002? Wilco, Beck, Flaming Lips), we've somehow converged on Dirty South. Hmmmmm ...

Chris O., Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

And me Tom, and me!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Either Yancey or Tim Finney were closest to what I would pick if I were a critic.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

>Question for Chuck and Frank: I notice you guys tend to vote for a lot of the same stuff, and that often times, you're the only two that do. Who turns on who to what?<<

I think that what sometimes is that I send Frank my extra copy of something I already like a lot, and he eventually starts to convince me I should *love* it instead. Unless I love it already, and tell him that when I send it to him. He might disagree with me though; I dunno.

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(Still, off the top of my head, I think Frank and I only had three albums and three singles in common this year, and the three singles all scored fairly high in the poll. We've definitely had weirder similarities in some years past, though.)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

> think that what sometimes is that I send Frank<

insert "happens" after "sometimes" above.

In addition to Frank, I seem to have three or so votes in common with both Carol Cooper and Bill Friskics-Warren this year. (And Carol voted for Lil Jon's album as well as Brooks & Dunn's, which is cool!)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say that I think Carol Cooper's list is the awesomist one I have seen yet, apart from my own, which is of course the best by definition.

Anyone have any picks for the list that makes you throw up the most? Or is that just mean-spirited stuff from me because I'm in a shitty mood?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Or is that just mean-spirited stuff from me because I'm in a shitty mood?

Not to worry, I am also very mean-spirited today because I'm in a bad mood.

To be honest the no voting for singles made me more incredulous than any individual crappy album someone picked.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Carol Cooper's great list, fyi:

1 Tego Calderon Tego Calderon BMG Latin 10
2 Dixie Chicks Top of the World Tour Live Columbia 10
3 Lil'Louie Vega Elements of Life Vega 10
4 Lee Williams and the Spiritual QCs Right on Time Malaco 10
5 Brooks & Dunn Red Dirt Road Arista 10
6 Lil Jon & the East Side Boyz Kings of Crunk TVT 10
7 Kirk Franklin The Rebirth of Kirk Franklin Gospocentric 10
8 Bob Marley & the Wailers Live at the Roxy Tuff Gong/Island 10
9 Willie Nelson & Friends Live and Kickin' Lost Highway/UMG 10
10 Van Orly Somebody Hold Me Dureco/Strengholt 10

Singles
# artist title label
1 OutKast Hey Ya! Arista
2 Dixie Chicks Travelin' Soldier Monument/EMN/Columbia
3 R. Kelly Step in the Name of Love (remix) Jive
4 Toby Keith I Love This Bar DreamWorks
5 La Sonora Carruseles Micaela Discos Fuentes
6 50 Cent In Da Club G-Unit/Shady/ Aftermath/Interscope
7 Lil Jon & the East Side Boyz featuring Ying Yang Twins Get Low TVT
8 Dido White Flag Arista
9 Nelly, P. Diddy and Murphy Lee Shake Ya Tailfeather Bad Boy
10 Robbie Williams Feel Capitol import

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I have two discs (Dimmu Borgir's Death Cult Armageddon and the Mars Volta's De-Loused In The Comatorium) in common with Steve Smith, who's also a friend. I was the only person who voted for five of my 10 choices, so it was unlikely my ballot was gonna line up much with anybody else's.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The best thing for me is seeing weirdos who are into the same relatively obscure shit that I am. I will probably look them up on the internet and try to talk to them and they'll take out restraining orders on me. Good times!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

So who had the most PROG-ROCK list? That's a question that definitely needs answering, I think....(Not to mention the most goth list, the most old-school list, the most top 40 list, the most ??? list, etc.)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The most crunk list is Carlton Wade's, I know that. (I really wanted to print his in the Voice's paper edition, but Bob nixed it!)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith and I are always similar, yes, though less so this year than last year I think (though we were both among the relative few to vote for Monica's "So Gone")

Nate Patrin and I have similar ballots

chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

does "most crunk" = "crunkiest"? "crunkliest"? "crunkest"? i've been wondering this for a while!

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

brandon stosuy and i have two picks overlapping. that's it. but i want my p & j doopleganger to be daniel dimaggio.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Daniel Dimaggio is still the youngest voter, I think -- I'm pretty sure he's not 18 yet, unlike Max Berry and Brian Orloff. (I might be wrong, though.)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(he is 18)

maura (maura), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

In that case, I think Max and Brian might be 19 these days. I can never keep these younguns straight! (Irin Carmon might even be 21 by now!)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think "crunkest" geeta coz its the superlative of "crunker". "crunkliest" is perfectly cromulent though.

also i don't think i have a doppelganger that's that close but Mikael Wood, Angela Cravens (who uniquely voted with me for Dat Sexy Body), and Scott Woods all have ballots with some overlap and generally along my lines.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

'crunkest' works!

ha, if anyone else voted for diamanda and bubba, i wanna meet 'em.

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

so close to crunkest & youngest!!

$, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

that will the title of my cool as ice-style film debut

$, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

W.K., I would have thought your answer would be "Douglas Wolk". If you check his singles list you'll see he was the only one to name-check The Matos in some form. (See what you miss when you throw out the people who vote for singles?)

avery_schreiber, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ethan Padgett - Young, Gifted & Crunk

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy Be., Todd B., Geeta, and Jess are probably the closest but I wound up sharing multiple picks with all of the Fabric 13/Junior Boys voters. (Seven of the nine ppl who voted for Fabric 13 were also among the eight who had Junior Boys on their singles list. Exceptions: Stelfox and Andy Ba. voted for Fabric 13 but not JB; Todd B. for JB but not Fabric 13)

[also, every fabric 13 voter also selected boy in da corner, and most of them picked at least two of: rapture, basement jaxx, and bubba sparxx.] (yes, I’m procrastinating.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way, it's justifiably been overshadowed by pazz and jop stuff, but it should perhaps be noted that, in addition to m. matos's lead review, the very short actual music section of this week's voice also includes a very short *Fabric 13* review by me. This is where it is:

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0406/eddy.php

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to scan and upload this Edward Gorey drawing of a crunk.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"luftballon fraulein"!

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

La Sonora Carruseles "Micaela"

It's nice to see a salsa song, but I happen to hate this, plus it came out no later than 2002.

Signed,
An ungrateful salsa fan

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

geeta!, if i'd have entered.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I ended up owning the bulk of the top 80 albums. Ditto for singles. So I guess I agreed with everybody.

Christian Rawk (Christian Rawk), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, Chris H, only 4 albums and 5 singles. That's like the least in common we've ever had, isn't it?

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(It could have been a remix I don't know about, but nothing says that.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(But anyway I think it's probably the same way that's on 1998's Heavy Salsa.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Crispety crunchety crunkety

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I would've voted for Fabric 13 if I didn't have that self-imposed (and VERY rockist) "no comps, no mixes" rule. Same goes for Immer in '02.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

My doppleganger appears to be someone named John Bush

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

But that's only through an overlap of three albums

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel like i'm blood brothers now with don allred cuz we were the only people who voted for the Groovski album.i love that album.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I poked around a little and the most similar ballot I found was Rob Sheffield, where the agreement is on fully half the votes (counting albums and singles) -- who knew? Next is Keith and Sia Michel with 9 and Nate Patrin and Jon Dolan with 8. My votes are perhaps not the most adventurous or unique (I was down toward 300 on the alignment scale, but I think that's mostly because I didn't vote for any of the top three finishers)

of perhaps more interest to others is that I noticed a remarkable correlation between those who voted for King Sunny Ade and those who voted for Lyrics Born.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

>>I noticed a remarkable correlation between those who voted for King Sunny Ade and those who voted for Lyrics Born.<<

I think there's even a couple "all albums that were Xgau pick hits" lists! Those always crack me up, for some reason. Which leads me to wonder who had the most Xgau DUDs on their ballot this year...

(Technically, I know, Lyrics Born was not a pick hit per se, since Bob wrote an essay on it instead. But it was an extremely POSITIVE essay.)

chuck, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Todd Burns, with a measly four matches: Boy in Da Corner, Wired for Sound, "Ignition (Remix) & "No Letting Go"

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Last year, my closest matches were:

Michaelangelo Matos (As Heard on Radio Soulwax 1, 2 & 3)
J.R. Nelson (As Heard on Radio Soulwax Pt. 2, Freelance Hellraiser & LCD Soundsystem)
Philip Sherburne (Geogaddi, Stoke & LCD Soundsystem)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I share four albums and two singles each with Carey Price & Mikael Wood.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate Patrin and Jon Dolan

Whoa, seeing my name grouped with his makes me feel all weird inside. Anyhow, I'm not sure how close our ballots technically are, but I do dig that Sia's ballot consisted almost entirely of stuff I really really loved -- save Radiohead, which I actually sort of like but only when it's actually playing; when it's not I kind of forget it exists.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

stop kissing SPIN ass!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

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Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually it makes me feel weird inside because after DeRogatis he was the first critic I loathed

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, how do I figure out who is closest to me again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I always seem to have some overlap with Jodi Shapiro, but not so much this year it seems. I always like Jodi's ballots though.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sexxxy Daddino: you and I share three (Minesweeper Suite, Boy in Da Corner and "Ignition (Remix)"), and almost had four, as the Alicia single was my #15.

I share six picks with Mark Pytlik (who he?), and five with Rod Smith (again, who he?). There might be others but I'm not about to start wading through those who voted for S/TLB or "Crazy in Love."

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Chuck, I was wondering about some writers whose names I don't see included. Did you send ballots and get rejected by those various Latin-rock magazines I see in Tower, or those folks whose top 10 albums I see in the new issue of the Beat magazine(winner there -Kekele-Congo Life) like Martin Sinnock and John Williams and Ian Anderson(whose fRoots magazine I believe selected Abyssinia Infinite-Zion Roots as cd of the year).

I need to check the P & J and see if anybody else voted for Abyssinia Infinite and Dizzee as I did...

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Thursday, 12 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark Pytlik (who he?)

That would be ILX's own Mark P, scholar and gent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve, I bought the 2/04 issue of The Beat. It's a very different view of what's happening at the moment. I suspect that I would like more of the selections there than I would like most of what appears in Pazz & Jop.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 12 February 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve: I probably would have voted for Abyssinia had I actually heard the whole record rather than just MP3 songs sent to me from H in Addis! But I didn't, so I didn't. Sigh.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to work on my followup article on Gigi of Abyssinia's DC connection on that cd. The keyboardist lives around here and Bill Laswell actually showed some restrain and let the keyboardist do some of the production.

That issue of the Beat has Thomas Mapfumo on the cover and I wish I had picked up his latest cd. The participants in their poll list a number of cds that I want to check out.

I wonder if Christgau reads the Beat? Maybe Chuck Eddy will check back in here and let us know. I think trying to add (if the Voice hasn't already done so) some of the Beat's participants would be a nice addition to Pazz & Jop...

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Derek Beres and I both voted for Abyssinia Infinite and Tribalistas, but he also voted for Dave Mathews and didn't vote for singles so that's nothing like me. So maybe afropop fan Christgau is my doppleganger even if other than King Sunny Ade we don't coincide album-wise!

Did anybody hear Christgau on NPR?

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Thursday, 12 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I know we've added Beat reviewers in the past, Steve, but I'm not sure how many. I've never heard Xgau mention the magazine, as far as I remember. Williams, Sinnook, and Anderson don't seem to be in the P&J database; maybe I'll have my intern try to track them down....

chuck, Thursday, 12 February 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen a few Beat reviewers added but not some of the ones I like reading. That would be great. Chuck, have the intern pick up the new issue of the Beat with Mapfumo on the cover. It provides a little detail about who these folks write for under their names by their top 10s. I've also seen some English-language "rock/rap/ska en espanol" magazines whose writers do not contribute to the Beat's poll. Maybe your intern can check on that too.

Rockist, yea there's lots of intriguing stuff in that issue of the Beat. Of course, while Pazz & Jop fights it out over hiphop and indie-rock and tokenism in that context, I read on Africaonline Congolese music fans grumbling that their beloved Zaiko Langa Langa and others don't get the respect that more heavily marketed Malian and other African sounds get from fRoots and Global Rhythms and other European based publications. Martin Sinnock, a Brit who writes for the Beat and others, was noting that he goes and buys new Congolese group cds and that the other writers should do the same. He correctly predicted that the better distributed retro-Congolese records and the Malian festival in the Desert and others would do better than his beloved Congolese rumba. In some ways this is analagous to the rockism issue that gets covered here...I won't even touch on trying to relate this to those who may only like Spanish language sounds that resemble classic salsa versus those who may like more contemporary Spanish language styles be it reggaeton or rap-rock or whatever.

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Does The Beat have a website, Steve? I think they send me issues sometimes; I'm not sure. I vaguely remember it being too folkloric and National Geographic like and NPR nutritiuous for my tastes (i.e.: you know, not enough Xuxa or Yvonee Chaka Chaka cover stories), but I'm probably confusing it with something else entirely.

chuck, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(And if I'm COMPLETELY off base with that last comment, it may well be too pop crossover for Bob Xgau's taste. He and I very rarely see eye to eye on stuff from the great big ethnic world out there.)

chuck, Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a Los Angeles based publication that once was called the Reggae and African beat and has an e-mail address but not a website for some reason. Your comment about it being too nutritious and National Geographic like for you was very true several years ago, but is a little less true now. They still do a once a year Bob Marley issue for fanatics and include an introductory page with a picture of and quotes from Haille Sellasie, and would never let you choose the cover subjects or do any of the interviews, but they also do a once a year dancehall issue and their various columnists cover some stuff that would be up your alley, although more likely it would appeal to XGau. They have one columnist who mostly only writes about traditional reggae but he does it in a way in which he doesn't sound snooty vis a vi dancehall. They have one columnist who specializes in zouk and konpa, another who does Brazilian, a few who cover the map. They have reviews of dancehall records in every issue. I like a contributor/columnist named Dave Hucker who also d.j.'s in London and I think has a website.

I figure if you add more Beat magazine contributors and more from the English language more pop rock-en-Espanol mags you'll make both you and Xgau happy and enhance all sides of the equation in covering international music.

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Even though its focus is reggae, I like its coverage of Latin American (most Caribbean and North African music more than what's in some of the more general "world music" pubs (not that I can name many). I suspect that many ILMers or Voice readers (or editors) would find the prose a little dry though.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)


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