― Richard Jordan, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― keith, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― brent d., Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Phil Paterson, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Mitch Surnamewithheld, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
For me, "Sketches..." is a different story. I know it's not a 'proper' album and would never have been released in this form if Buckley had lived, but it's pretty damn good, much better than Grace. Without the opportunity to slap a load of raga-strings over the top and over-arrange the hell out of this material, it sounds really strong to me. "Everybody..." "Vancouver", "Yard of Blonde Girls", "Opened Once" are fantastic. The home demos CD, packaged along with "Sketches" is complete crap, of course. The live album sounds like a load of rock-legend showboating, but no doubt there will be more live stuff to follow. Probably best to avoid. Overall, dud I suppose.
― Dr. C, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Edward Okulicz, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Nicole, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Andy, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― the pinefox, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― DG, Monday, 12 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Classic
― Josh D, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I find his canonistion problematic, even though he was a personable and approachable fellow. One above average record and an interesting live set does not a classic make.
― Richard Jones, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― nathalie c-c, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
In case you don't get it, Jeff Buckley was never very commercial, but he did some very dissonant and difficult 4-track experiments that ended up on his second product "Sketches For My Sweetheart The Drunk." He also did a very harsh, grating porno-punk song in the best tradition of, of, heck I dunno. My only exposure to punk is Greenday and Elastica, and I don't even know if they're really punk.
― Jack Redelfs, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ally C, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Matt Purdy, Sunday, 4 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)
This has to be the most un-Ned sentence ever.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)
agreed:
Ned, i just can't abide Coldplay either and i don't know why. No actually i do. they peddle 'cheap, emotional patriotism' - see 'the scientist'. they send shivers down my spine in a lot of very bad ways, where somehow Jeff despite being One For The Ladayz manages to touch nerve-endings in an intimate folk-rock aor ballady number without resorting to such lyrical, emotional schmaltz that seems to cling like Gwyneth to a lot of Clayplod's output. 'Grace' is a fine, fine record of it's kind.
crappy cash-in live/unreleased albums, greedy moms, walking into rivers and rampant self-mythologisation: Dud.
Agreed Matt Purdy. For me it's all about Tim Buckley. Wading through the smack-outs and jazz odyssies may dissuade some, but pan-handling Tim's back catalogue gives a clear 50% yield of PURE FUCKING NUGGETS.
Sometimes nothing, no-one, is ever going to hit the mark like a Tim Buckley classic. No-one. And for the casual listener the joy is discovering these treasures without having them rammed down your throat by anyone.
― john clarkson, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)
I will allow that there did get to be a point where I felt like it had gone a little too far with the posthumous releases, though. I still find the double SinE CD to be painful to listen to, I guess because it's such an intimate setting and he just seems so alive and in your face, and the video interview that came with that was devastatingly short - like 15 minutes. At some point I just wanted to stop reopening the wounds and finally quit grieving him and it was like I wasn't being allowed that. Some part of me feels that where he was planning on going musically when he left us was just so much more important than this stuff. And I didn't buy the reissue of Grace, either.
I hope no one takes offense at any of this, it's just my perspective. I don't play him often now but when I do, I prefer to listen to the last things he did, even where they are rough. I'd like to think he's still continuing on somewhere, I guess, that he's on his 4th album now and we just aren't privy to it.
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)
And Jeff, who I was acquainted with, didn't like her either.
I was at that Sin-e show and it sounded a lot better in person than it does on the double live reissue. He was really amazing live. Fearless even.
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)
― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
Exactly.
Jeff, who I was acquainted with, didn't like her either.
What gave you that impression?
― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)
They were barely speaking when he died.
She's a nightmare. Check out the wedding picture of her and Tim and the look on Tim's face. He knew.
Jed: OTM re: "Morning Theft."
I'm also quite fond of "Jewel Box."
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
Grace is obviously a fantastic, really musically accomplished and just plain beautiful album, though it took me a while to warm to it myself. Now I consider it one of the best of the 90s. Who has heard the recent 2cd + DVD edition? Is there anything on there that hasn't already been released on the various other odds 'n sods packages that is worth hearing?
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)
Who says I don't like Neil Diamond?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 February 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 28 February 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)
Classic.
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 28 February 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)
― miss chievous grin (miss chevious grin), Monday, 28 February 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 28 February 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)
Well, personally speaking, the notion that his mother was trolling around the `net, chastising JEFF'S FANS for discussing his music (when, the point could be made in the particular instance i was caught in, it was the BAD BRAINS who were actually getting short-changed) left quite a bad taste in my mouth, so much so that it almost completely put me off the man's music, which is a shame. I'd paste some of the comments that were made during the exchange (it was rumored that she also used a variety of pseudonymns), but .....hmmmm....I was going to say "why dig up old bones?" or "that's just water under the bridge", but I can't think of a colloquialism that isn't somehow in exceptionally poor taste.
In any case, it never struck me as a good idea that someone so close to the deceased should be in charge of his vaults. I'm sure her maternal instincts and deep feelings of loss amplified any legitimate legal grievances, so she's not really to be blamed, I suppose. Still, I can't listen to the stuff anymore without thinking of her sitting at a computer, foaming at the mouth, ripping her hair out and painting herself red with lipstick like Diane Ladd in "Wild at Heart".
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
Or the same dealer.
― Blood On The Knobs, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:58 (five months ago)
saw this tonight, absolutely great documentary. was amazing to get that Middle East set at the end as well.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 16 August 2025 06:12 (four months ago)
also, I'm only peripherally aware of the criticism people have for his mother (some of it centered around what she allows to be released or not, which IMO is completely her perogative). I don't think the doc comes across as biased in her favor in any manner despite her presence in it. It was nice to hear the answering machine messages he'd left her. This was also the first time I'd heard that he had what seemed to be a psychotic episode in Memphis likely brought on by being bipolar. Withat that context, suddenly deciding to go for a swim in an unpredictable place in the river makes a lot more sense.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 16 August 2025 21:08 (four months ago)
apparently he told Verlaine he thought he was bipolar during the 2nd LP sessions
― conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Friday, 22 August 2025 21:15 (four months ago)
(have not seen the movie, maybe this is in there!)
it is
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 22 August 2025 23:31 (four months ago)
Wow, a lot of songs have been written about him.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 03:36 (four months ago)
Wonder why they didn't deal more with the music, poor Gary Lucas isn't even mentioned, maybe he talked shit about Mary in the past.
Dave Lory's book was on some kindle deal a while back and I thought it was the best writing yet.
Still tragic but avowedly non-hagiographical, painting a picture of the less dramatic troubles that he had to deal with: exhaustion, writer's block, losing band members (Tighe was also apparently very hard work), record company expectations, drugs and so on.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 30 August 2025 10:14 (four months ago)
Gary Lucas doesn't get mentioned at all? Maybe, can't recall
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:33 (four months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9yowBYgePY
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:40 (four months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d05Yy62zP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blhEOSFGrqY
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:41 (four months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyx3M3DEAtI
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:43 (four months ago)
All songs about him.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:47 (four months ago)
Dave Lory book you recommended seems great.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 15:38 (four months ago)
I perhaps mistakenly believe that about half the songs on Joan as Police Woman’s phenomenal first album are about him - most days this is my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_mHx26lz4
― Maggy Scraggle, Saturday, 30 August 2025 16:26 (four months ago)
Ha, I was gonna post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCQJ11aotg
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 16:47 (four months ago)
"Rilkean Heart" is particularly moving, but all of these are good.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 30 August 2025 16:58 (four months ago)
Faye Wong version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsYQcQVvKA
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 August 2025 13:22 (four months ago)
I’m so confused. I saw Gary Lucas footage. Hell, he’s even in the trailer. But maybe it’s one of those things where they are showing different cuts at different screenings. 🤷♂️
A Gary Lucas documentary could be fun. He’s charming, strange, and everyone likes him. But he’s done a relatively nice job at documenting his career so I’m not sure there’d by anything new to mine.
I purchased Grace in 95 or 96 and he felt very popular to me. But I was 11 or 12 so anyone that I knew enough to spend allowance money on seemed very popular. When he died, it was all over Much and MTV.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 31 August 2025 14:59 (four months ago)
tldr Grace is a certified banger. 10/10. RIP.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 31 August 2025 15:00 (four months ago)
Lucas isn't interviewed in the doc. He is shown in some archival scenes.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 31 August 2025 17:04 (four months ago)
xp- before I learned of Buckley's death, I remember reading a three-line blurb in some newspaper that a search was on for a "missing folksinger". It was a few days before they found his body. "Missing" always a bad sign if it isn't the sort of person I could see wanting to drop out of society for awhile.
― Lee626, Sunday, 31 August 2025 17:32 (four months ago)
I’ve always loved Rilkean Heart tho. What an incredibly fraught relationship that must have been.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 31 August 2025 18:14 (four months ago)
My current understanding is that they were friends and she wanted a romantic relationship although he didn't, but I am not sure.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 August 2025 23:56 (four months ago)
Just found out about this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZzAHSU8jXo
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 00:05 (four months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7G90ZylP6g
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 00:54 (four months ago)
On the topic of Gary Lucas, I am always fascinated every time I learn of yet another musician who was in Gods and Monsters at one time or another.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 00:56 (four months ago)
Wow, this song too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqMPRURtsM
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 01:06 (four months ago)
As well as this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IY6Uz-_CPY
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 01:07 (four months ago)
“All Flowers in Time” is so beautiful but it always made me feel a bit uncomfortable listening to it… apparently Liz Fraser didn’t want it released and it’s just so intimate (her little “oh god!” at the end!)
Some people speculate “Morning Theft” from Sketches is about Fraser… “your precious daughter in the other room asleep”
― Roz, Monday, 1 September 2025 14:33 (four months ago)
Just noticed there are quite a few cover versions of "All Flowers in Time."
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 14:44 (four months ago)
Looks like Gary Lucas wrote his own Jeff Buckley memoir but maybe it's a lot of sour grapes.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 14:55 (four months ago)
Morning Theft's my favourite off Sketches
― conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Monday, 1 September 2025 15:21 (four months ago)
I loved Nightmares by the Sea.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 1 September 2025 18:51 (four months ago)
Seems like a lot of women have written about him!
― AI Jardine (Tom D.), Monday, 1 September 2025 19:27 (four months ago)
... what happened to Liz Fraser's accent btw?
― AI Jardine (Tom D.), Monday, 1 September 2025 19:30 (four months ago)
What do you mean?
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 21:41 (four months ago)
She's got a horrible Anglo-Scots accent, she sounds like Lulu.
― AI Jardine (Tom D.), Monday, 1 September 2025 21:49 (four months ago)
Which makes Robin Guthrie Maurice Gibb?
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 22:22 (four months ago)
Ye whit? Lulu sounded pure Glesga when she wis winchin' Maurice Gibb.
― AI Jardine (Tom D.), Monday, 1 September 2025 22:30 (four months ago)
Heh
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 September 2025 23:48 (four months ago)
Okay, the Dave Lory book is really good.
This song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB3XYiMonQA
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:28 (four months ago)
And the guy wrote two others about him as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiMeZQgySPY
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:30 (four months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQRnERdpyr8
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:31 (four months ago)
There was also « Seekers who are lovers » by the Cocteau twins about him
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:53 (four months ago)
Just watched this new Darren Aronovsky movie set in NYC during the 90s and, the whole time I was watching, part of my brain thought that Austin Butler was playing Jeff Buckley.
― Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 September 2025 21:01 (four months ago)
Debating whether to click on those Jimmy Gnecco videos again.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 December 2025 20:44 (one month ago)