what will happen when hip hop discovers atheism?

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well.

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

who's saying it hasnt?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

We'll get more hip-hop albums with atheistic messages.

Lean your face really close to the monitor.

― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bible will no longer be used to justify gay bashing.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 13 February 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(In hiphop circles.)

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 13 February 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you's will get significantly shorter

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Grammy winning acceptance speeches will be just that little more abrupt

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Not much (Jason Pierce to thread).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

admittedly there would probably have been a better way to phrase this.

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

on the screwed and chopped version of mississippi: the album ("executive producer: god") the way the track order is re-arranged seems to suggest apocalypse as the only way to reconcile the thug end of what banner's doing with the, uh, moralising end of what banner's doing

i do actually like christianity as a trope within rap but this seems logically about as far as it can go? also i heard pharrell williams on the radio being interviewed once and i swear i thought of cliff richard

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not sure whether jordan's one-liner is facing in the same direction as mr. hulkington's or whether it has its back turned to it, so any sort of elaboration would be welcome

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I mean basically the same thing. It remains a trope whether the 'authenticity' is there or not, because the church is an easy symbol for the flip side of thuggery, or for upliftment, etc. I mean, I'm pretty atheistic (and Jewish if anything), but I still play gospel beats in a church band and play "Lord Lord Lord" and "I'll Fly Away" for the effect that it has.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

see, at first i read it as "it will make as little difference as jason pierce getting religion made to rock", but then i remembered that he didn't. unless he did.

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I know he's an atheist who just can't get enough of those gospel signifiers.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

now imagine a crunk 'no god only religion'

well, you don't have to. i expect you have better things to do

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread reminded me of a wicked Sticky Fingaz lyric: 'I wanna take my own life... I might as well... But they might not sell weed in Hell.'

― Sean G, Friday, 13 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, how crazy would it be to have sexy r&b hooks singing 'your god is dead and no one cares' or some such thing. Bring it. Or not.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't Bone Thugz 'n Harmony already discover it back in the early 90's?

― Famous Athlete, Friday, 13 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

...this reminds me, is (black theologian) Cornell West's hiphop record any good?

I know it didn't sell very well.

― Kevin Erickson, Friday, 13 February 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Cornel West is a theologian?

― hstencil, Friday, 13 February 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd b really nto a hip-hop cover of XTC's "Dear God."

― anode (anode), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

problem is, the only group I can imagine performing it is the Black Eyed Peas

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"the"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Cornel West is a theologian?

Yes, although he is mostly known for his role in The Matrix 2, he also writes books and things.

― Kevin Erickson, Friday, 13 February 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It will probably sound like Techno Animal.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

interesting, I know about Cornel West and have read some of his work, I didn't know he taught religion in addition to his cultural studies work.

― hstencil, Friday, 13 February 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

...yeah, I was about to say, did I miss an extra degree?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

De La's pretty atheistcore. I.e. My Brother's a Basehead and Held Down. Also, when Nas was 12, he apparently went to hell for killing Jesus.

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Aren't a lot of those hip-hop acts Farrakhan diciples rather than Christians anyway?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

clearly, Geir is not a theologian.

― hstencil, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

west is an atheist who likes the church and mainly a philosopher.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 14 February 2004 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's really disappointing when you read the sleevenotes on Sugababes' album and they ALL thank God... and they thank God before they thank anyone else - including the 38 people who actually wrote the songs on the album

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 14 February 2004 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry about my mean joking before.

West really is a theologian, though. I am 99% he would not self-identify as atheist.

Seek out "Prophesy Delieverance"

― Kevin Erickson, Saturday, 14 February 2004 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

haha we're both right i checked and he was a "professor of philosophy of religion and african american studies" at harvard!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 14 February 2004 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be Catholic. Now I'm an American. Ya know, you grow.

― WidgetKid (WidgetKid), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

'Father was a preacher, cold blooded, he's dead/ That hypocrite, I caught him basing/ So I shot him in the head' - Geto Boys

― dave q, Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It won't make any difference/already happened.

Most hop-hoppers only say they believe in God, talk the talk then behave however badly they want.

Hypocritical shits.

― mei (mei), Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, that could go for a lot of religious types.
Ignore me.

― mei (mei), Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i know underground hip-hop has already discovered it.

― dsyus, Saturday, 14 February 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I ph34r that there will be a hip-hop "Imagine"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 14 February 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I reiterate: Black Eyed Peas.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 14 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about "discovering atheism," but hip-hop (and the US black community in general) is way too culturally conservative to ever renounce religion. It's a crutch, and a club: who can give up something that multi-purpose?

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 14 February 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

MC Stephen Hawking to thread

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Sunday, 15 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil OTM.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the fuck you talkinabout

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Fuck your Bible/I'm safe with a Rifle = Dead Prez to thread.

― Alan Conceicao, Monday, 16 February 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

I love the random thread link.
Some rapper should start a beef with kanye about how "jesus walks" is a pussy ass song.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems that some rappers use christianity much as the early bluesmen did, as an attempt to redeem themselves from amorality of their other material.... would that a "christian rap" bear the kind of fruit that the entry of tom dorsey, robert wilkins et al into the church, did in its day. we'll see.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

has there ever been a "christian rap" (loosely defined) as weird as say, yabby you?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

athiestic reggae, now there's a thought.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit, Cornell West's album ("Sketches of My Culture") is the most laughable thing ever. It has a song about the 70s called "Remembering The 70s".

― Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

hush, i'm trying to forget the existence of that album. or of cornel west, for that matter.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

― SaladinBiscuits (Proselytitties), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

we probly in hell already, our dumb ass not knowin
everybody kissin ass to go to heaven aint goin
put my soul on it, im fightin devil niggas daily
plus the media be crucifying brothers severely
tell me i aint gods son, nigga mom a virgin
we got addicted had to leave the burbs, back in the ghetto
doin wild shit, lookin at the sun dont pay
criminal mind all the time wait for judgement day
they say moses split the red sea
i split the blunt and rolled a fat one, im deadly
babylon beware, comin for the pharoahs kids, retaliation
makings legends off the shit we did, still bullshittin
niggas in jeruselum waitin for signs
god promised, shes just takin her time
livin by the while the water flows
brothers gettin shot comin back resurrected
its just that raw shit nigga check it

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

mama tell me am i wrong / is god just another cop / waitin to beat my ass if i dont go pop

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm from the place where the chruch is the flakiest
And niggas is praying to god so long that they Atheist
Where you can't put your vest away and say you'll wear it tomorrow
Cause the day after we'll be saying, damn I was just with him yesterday
I'm a block away from hell, not enough shots away from straight shells
An ounce away from a triple beam still using a hand-held weight scale
Your laughing, you know the place well
Where the Liqour Store's and the base well
And Government, fuck Government, niggas polotic theyselves
Where we call the cops the A-Team
cause they hop out of vans and spray things
And life expectancy so low we making out wills at eight-teen
Where how you get rid of guys who step out of line, your rep solidifies
So tell me when I rap you think I give a fuck who criticize?
If the shit is lies, god strike me
And I got a question, are you forgiving guys who live just like me?
We'll never know
One day I pray to you and said if I ever blow, I'LL LET EM KNOW,
THE STAKES and exactly what takes place in the ghetto
Promise fulfilled, still I feel my job ain't done
Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice

1997

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still waiting for hip-hop to discover electrcity.

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody should make a "smart" rap album!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

why does rap people never want to disbelieve

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

WHY DOESN'T THE BLACKS WANT TO BLASPHEME?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.whatzup.com/Graphics/cdnon_prophetshope.jpg

Non-Prophets

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

And oh man, the lyrics to "Broken Language" by Smoothe and Trigga. They're so blasphemous that they make me uncomfortable. Ohhla.com doesn't even print the offensive part!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Rap

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

the cross breaker and bible ripper
the virgin mary fucker the jesus hanger...something like that...

Big L burnt down churches and killed infants and was the kid of the devil.

were 3-6 Mafia supposed to be satanists, i never really listened to them that much.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

No, that's Natas and Esham.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/41/200px-2Pac_Makaveli-The_Don_Killuminati_front.jpg
man i love 'blasphemy'

― and what, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

remember that 'Hate Me Now' video? yaow

― blueski, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

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