Hey answer this then: this is to djdee2005

If I had the time to wipe myself with half of your words, then I would actually spend a little more time in this forum. I find it really funny how the catergory "academic" has becomed "pretentious". "Liberal by the usual compass"..please define that if you please if their is such a thing as an "usual" liberal category?.Next thing I know there is going to be an usual definition for music and poetry. Oh, wait there is...silly me and the rest of philologists. You have it!. Yes?. This is truly a wonderful world where standards and definitions of words and things are banalized by standard book definitions. For starters rap and hip-hop are not exactly the same thing, it doesn't mean they aren't inter-related (which of course they are).Your definition of Hip-Hop is that given when the music itself started as an action, or was categorized by "music experts" on the "underground scene" (yeah, right). Clearly you can't dinstinguish between ideology, politics and action. Yup, you probably think there is such a thing as a first song for every category or genre..right?. Oh yeah your comment on Scarface....where did he get that name from?..ohh yeah, he's a real deep thinking man. Any moron can write and pretend he's a liberal or that he cares for "real issues", heck take Bono for an instance. Take dictators for example, Franco, Fidel, Pinochet just to name recent "leaders", they all want to do "right", keep it real?.

I wonder if what bothers you is the fact that I can listen to music,write, publish and actually read something that's not "exclusively" (it is imposible to read about one thing, unrelated to the multiple variables inside a context) on music (....I recomend you read then Edward's Said studies on music, oh am sorry he must be a pretentious academic in your standards). It's these kind of toss-the knowledge-and dichomotize-things- behavior that re-assures that music as a study is always going to be banalized. But heck you probably got your references right?.Your reflections on music are as deep as Bush's reflection on sufism. There is no definition for a music category, to start with, Eco, Berger, Certeau, Althusser (although there are many others in many other disciplines, languages and forms of expression which I haven't the time to give you references on) among others that analyse discourses on film, music and texts will assure that category does not exist as absolute structure but are constructed after they are made...who do you think created these categories?. If I were you I would look a bit into hispanic, southamerican, african, jamaican and early jazz...then you should listen to street poetry, the kind made in new york (although it's not the first representation of "street poetry" per se but it's where the contemporany definition was constructed). After that listen to rap and alternative rap...listen how the flow has changed to the present "rap" style. Party Music?..I guess you mean Party Rap? which came as a established genre, after Hip-Hop?...what about jazz-rap, hardcore rap, old school rap, rave culture,dance hall, or the jamaican toasters?...where they unhistorical and with no political ideologies?. Did Party Music just appear out of nowhere?.I assure you can't go and take a shit withought an ideology..which is very different from a political thought, action and party. Why did "old school rap" begin? because it sounded nice, because it was hip? Where did it come from? why then use the later tecniques (tekné) of sampling, scratching?...because it was hip???Nah, nah, they were just playing ya all...right?. There is no deconstruction here right? Nah, nah maybe it all in my mind.

So let's toss aside any influences,any cultural feeds,for these style was made just for fun. Yes, it was fun...but ever wonder on what context and why it was created?. It's not exactly Disco now is it?. For you see (read) Grandmaster Flash (not the first might I add), Public Enemy,Afrika Bambaataa , Tribe called Quest..you see they were just along for the ride. This is probably the same mistake that is made with people that think that Pearl Jam and Nirvana invented Grunge...no influences before, right?. The context has nothing to do here either. Just like Salsa...right out of the Blue.. right?.

Oh yeah if this message has any grammatical errors, I apologize but I do tend to be a tad sloppy when I write fast, since I am writting here on my spare time, which is probably as long as your "dasein" knowledge for music over my narcisistic "verstehen" and "auslegung" of music.You know, you're right, why bother having academic knowledge in music?...yup Lennon must be feeling real proud of this, after all he was clearly non-academic. Oh and those black dudes in rap in the beggining...yeah they hated the academy also...ya dig?.Maybe I should have done what they told me and not waste my time here, after all "these kids that listen to music, hardly read and hardly care for any history"...I try hard not to think it's true. But you my child...you represent this hideous (as any constructed) stereotype.Carry on listening.

P.S. This probably means that you should read more.
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