― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm grown up now. Don't judge my youth, sir.
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jaromil (Jaromil), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't know enough about Tom's history to know exactly how true that is, but it does begin to get at what annoys (or rather, depresses) me. I'm just not sure I'm comfortable in this case with "academic." It seems like it stemmed from the '80s indie rock scene (of which I can be said to have loose connections, actually), which I refuse to equate with "academic" (and that's not a value judgment; both sides can be insufferable). I just don't trust cult fandom in general, don't trust the inevitable process of elevating minor talents to a status way beyond their accomplishments or capabilities.
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)
scott, no. I don't own any Tom records. That's a good point. I do however own Spirit of the West's legendary rouser, Home for a Rest, but again, I don't know why as it's not at all suitable for home listening.
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)
And Stompin' Tom does have some renown among Americans in the Northeast. Or did in the 70s.
― Huck, Monday, 16 February 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Obviously not as funny though.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 16 February 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)
I've only lived in Canada for the last ten years, so I only have a vague, passing knowlege of him, but a friend of mine tells me when he was in elementary school, in music class they would learn STC songs to sing along to (because they're so simple?), so I guess you get people who don't own/listen to anything by him, but are very aware of his music.
― Vic Funk, Monday, 16 February 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 16 February 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)
It has nothing to do with any bourgeois ideals about authenticity, and it's not supposed to add depth, because there is none.
And if his sound really is secondary to his "message" (I honestly don't know what that means) that's just another reason for me to be skeptical. I mean, you're making him sound like he's someone whipped up by the NFB.
What I mean by that is he's part of a folk/troubador tradition, whereby the mode of communicating is well-established and automatically accepted by his primary audience (have you seen the 70s concert film? I can't remember what it's called--and it's probably NFB--but you're not likely to see such unironically ugly people on celluloid anywhere else. Ugly is the new authentic. I'm just rambling.), specifically for the purpose of being beside the point so that the lyrics get across unhampered. That said, STC usually performs with pretty decent country dance bands and there's bound to be a wicked fiddle solo somewhere in the set.
It also ties in with this perhaps that I generally hate hockey songs, particularly of the jokey, punky sort. Not because I hate hockey (though I don't watch it anymore) or because I'm un-patriotic, but I just hate this particular brand of Canadian self-referentialism: ha ha let's play up to our image of being complete doofuses. Which, by the way, was all over the Conan episodes I watched and which really turned me off. I'm not, by the way, attributing some sort of ironic nudge-wink pose to Stompin' Tom, necessarily, but I think it inevitably exists in his cult reception.
Historically, these things were not yet clichés when STC started singing about them. There was a time when, unless you were the Guess Who or Bobby Gimby, you did not acknowledge being Canadian. CanCon, SCTV, Trudeau and even the NFB have since changed all this and the brand of STC "proud canadianism" that spiked around the time of Meech Lake and was as much related to anti-Quebec sentiment as it was to any Rheostatics-influenced hipsterism.At one point, STC's doggerel really was novel. He helped make the world safe for jingoistic beer commercials.
also, re: Woody Guthrie, well, maybe you know more about the history of those sorts of songs (I'll call them talking-folk songs to simplify), but the fact is, that style HAD to be more fresh in the '40s than it was in the '70s or '80s, etc. (Which isn't to say styles don't refresh themselves or emerge as interesting again in different times, but Tom never took that basic style into a different other area. I mean, compare Woody/Tom and Woody/Dylan. Dylan came directly out of that influence and broke through it entirely. Tom is incapable of any such moves.) (And I know that you, Huck, weren't the person to bring Woody into this in the first place, I'm just saying...)
I don't know if Tom is incapable of making such moves, but one of his primary motivations seems to be maintaining traditions. So musical innovation probably doesn't even occur to him. It's beside the point he wants to make.
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)
Anyway, some good points there, but I reiterate my original post: the domestic cult of Stompin' Tom completely rankles. It's not the man I hate; it's his fans.
[Well, okay, school children are exempt.]
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)
Huck, I think the concert film you're referring to is "Live At The Horseshoe."
As for the Conan show, I'm glad that many thousands of Americans will learn that that huge erection in the sky is called the CN (not "CNN!") Tower.
― Myonga Von Bontee, Monday, 16 February 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― s woods, Monday, 16 February 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
and I agree with you about his cult. In non-country circles, at least. I don't buy at all the "He's our Johnny Cash" line, but he certainly has bits of Cash in him. He's no Hank Snow either.
For me, what I like about him is a) his corny sense of humour and b) his steadfastness in his (often misguided) beliefs.
On the new BYOP (Bring Your Own Plywood): Calgary Does Connors tribute album, a college radio host tells the story of being called (I think late at night) by a listener requesting a Stompin' Tom song. Turns out it's Tom himself and he's been calling Calgary radio stations all night trying to find a station that has his albums. Whatta kook! Whatta egomaniac! Man of the Land, huh?
Also, the only song of his I've ever heard (and I've heard a lot) that mentions Regina is "Name the Capitals" so screw him.
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)
and yes, his songs are perfect for Children. Except the ones that border on fascism. "Believe In Your Country" and "How Do You Like It Now" come to mind.
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― maypang (maypang), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 16 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 16 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― maypang (maypang), Monday, 16 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)
What happened there? That was the only show I didn't see.
― Vic Funk, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)
stupidity ensued.
― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― cloverlandthug, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Canadians are one of the few groups of people who have self-romanticized their own stereotypes so hardcore that they deserved Geoff Pevere.
― Huck, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― maypang (maypang), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Geoff Pevere, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huck, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― maypang (maypang), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Actually, I think he's okay. He just seems soooo Toronto.
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)
http://weddingspartieseverything.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_weddingspartieseverything_archive.html
Scroll down to the Loverboy review.
― s woods, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
http://chartattack.com/damn/2004/02/0311.cfm
p.s. I'm not really going to go kill myself though maybe I'll revoke my citizenship.
― s woods, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)
how about I kill you, then you kill me? or vice versa?
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Actually, Tom's music is rudimentary and extremely unrefined....the music just sets the stage for the messages, which are; primarily about a Canada that existed in a paralell reality to the Trudeau utopian-national identity mythos being manufacured in central urban Canada.
If you've never been to a Sudbury pub afterputting in a long shift at INCO, you probably will not recognize the people in his universe....or if you never spent time hitching the prairies or time in the sugar camp....you just don't get it...it's not your reality. Tom's world will seem surreal to you. Don't agonize over it. Tom's Canada is truely dead no matter how much his cult wish it wasn't. It was killed by our acceptance of narrow urbancentric experience and ideals as being "Canadian values". Tom's Canada RIP
― William Lyon Mackenazie, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Thea (Thea), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)
And now he's dead.http://www.globaltoronto.com/music+legend+stompin+tom+connors+77+dies/6442822944/story.html
― kate78, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:04 (thirteen years ago)
You can watch a whole film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTLlREVZvQQ
I think he's in Goin' Down the Road, too.
― clemenza, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:09 (thirteen years ago)
I loved him. Canada will be poorer without him.
― everything, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:19 (thirteen years ago)
If you're Canadian, your Facebook feed is wall-to-wall STC right now.
― clemenza, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:48 (thirteen years ago)
or a hockey fan
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:01 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl751CDdRZI
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:05 (thirteen years ago)
Jesus. RIP, STC.
Just tweeted about this.
What a strange day. Woke up feeling ill and felt today was a strange day. Then this happens.
I read every single comment on this thread.
Interesting discussion. I feel I have a lot to say, but won't out of respect. Not today.
Canadian identity is complex and its self-romanticisation is definitely not unique. I've lived in a few different countries, and it happens in many other places.
But this is the strange dynamic and complexity of Canadians self-reflecting on their own culture, identity and place on Earth.
RIP, STC.
― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:07 (thirteen years ago)
loved this guy, but listened to him so much at such a low point in my life that I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to him in years, though I've wanted to. we'll miss you, Tom.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:31 (thirteen years ago)
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/03/06/stompin-tom-connors-final-letter-to-his-fans/
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:52 (thirteen years ago)
there's something about his music that is so pure and honest. it actually brings tears to my eyes when I think about it. he just loved and celebrated canada in every way, and it comes through either implicitly or explicitly in every song. i'm not sure why, but it feels a lot more heartfelt, innocent, and less gross than when country singers talk about America.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 7 March 2013 15:39 (thirteen years ago)
Some of his more recent songs like "Believe in your country" may be heartfelt, but they don't do much for me. Too obviously nationalistic? I think he's at his best telling stories about people he's met or heard of along the way. Yer "Sudbury Saturday Night", "Gumboot Clogeroo", "Big Joe Mufferaw", etc.
― pauls00, Thursday, 7 March 2013 15:52 (thirteen years ago)
I think maybe I've only heard his classics, like "Real Canadian Girl" "My Little Eskimo"
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 7 March 2013 16:08 (thirteen years ago)
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:13 (thirteen years ago)
When I moved to Canada in the mid-90s my (Canadian) wife gave me two things she said I'd need - a pair of mitts and a Stomping Tom cassette. I still have both.
Biggest disappointment today is the CBC. For starters they think that Hugo Chavez is a bigger story today. Then I've been listening for about 90 mins and they have talked about Stomping Tom three times yet still not played a song by him. Each time they just played a 15 second long clip of a song. And always something from "A Proud Canadian" which I have to conclude is the only album they own by him. You'd think they could've dug something out of their archives.
― everything, Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:55 (thirteen years ago)
Feel like every news report is gonna default to playing a bit of "The Good Old Hockey Game" (as The National did last night).
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:57 (thirteen years ago)