2ManyDJs vs. T. Raumschmiere

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both of them here in madrid on the same night...this is getting ridiculous, same thing happened with michael mayer and jeff mills a few days back...anyway, how are they live? who's worth my while?

― manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

T.Raumschmiere, every time. Brilliant live - if you haven't seen him definitely go - I have seen friends amazed when I dragged them to see him. 2manyDJs is just very similar to anyone DJing, anywhere, but playing their Radio Soulwax stuff.

Unless, of course, your intention is to meet women, not the music and performance. At which point, I'd switch the two round.

― ___ (___), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

having not seen either live i cant really say can i .. but for me its no contest .. TR. the lp is just too massively noisy and fun .. and i would love to see him/them doing it live-n-loud. (exclusive TR e-art available vie you know where ..)
onwards !

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

raumschmiere is very polite compared to 2manydjs, go to 2manydjs if you're taking drugs.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

that fact of TR being Polite has hit me hard. i would ahve expected them to be the epitomy of punk rock techno noizze. you have shattered my dreams Ronan. i hope you are happy now.

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Not seen T.Raumschmiere, but 2ManyDJs are 'best-DJ-set-ever' fantastic live.

― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

that fact of TR being Polite has hit me hard. i would ahve expected them to be the epitomy of punk rock techno noizze.

Mark - he is! I have seen him live twice, and 2manydjs once. I would see T.Raumschmiere again without doubt. I could take or leave 2 many djs. T.Raumschmiere is live and loud. But you'll only get an hour, and then whatever they put on after as DJs. 2manyDJs will be longer.

I still stick by T>Raumschmiere.

― ___ (___), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i like t raumschmiere alot, it's a weird two things to choose between, personally there's a young raver in me which would always choose the relative cheese of 2manydjs, vitalic and rollin and scratchin and silver screen shower scene. I'd go to Raumschmiere on a weeknight! It's not the same sort of vulgarity I guess. Either would be great, don't get me wrong!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd go for T Raumschmiere unless I had a gun... then I'd go for 2ManyDJs. It's not only the obv cheese-factor I dislike, it's also the pretentiousness for no reason at all. You won't miss out on anything in re to 2Many DJs. In some ways I regard the DeWaele bros as (faux) elevated wedding djs.

― nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

raumschmiere is ok, but i saw him recently and he was quite polite yes, weatheralls set was a whole lot better, tuff elasticity...

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

how long has this stringent thing been going on?

anyway yeah i thought t raumschmiere was a bit boring really.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the wedding dj's definition.
but then again, you can have loooads of fun in a wedding, if you go there with the right attitude... :-)

― joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

2manydjs pretentious???? Nath have you been smoking something?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan, sadly I've known'em for much too long. Sadly there's a misinterpretation of their sound/personas outside Belgium.

― nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm only going on what they play! The best description I can think of them is "the new fatboy slim", dance for dummies etc. I'd have thought the amount of pop and things they play rules out any issues of them being pretentious, especially compared to almost all other DJs.

If anything they could be more pretentious!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronans desciption is possibly accurate. This is not, however, a good thing

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Mute has a live video of TR up. He wears a trucker hat and no shirt, bangs his head, and climbs his gear at the end. Anyone who thinks this is "rocking out" has been seeing laptop bands for too long.

― anode (anode), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly there's a misinterpretation of their sound/personas outside Belgium.

And inside Belgium as well probably, because if I'm not mistaken they had the whole of the enormous (Belgian) Rock Werchter festival audience singing the riff to Seven Nation Army for the entire weekend last year. Nathalie has been hating on her fellow countrymen here on ILM extensively, but I'm not sure if she has ever properly explained why. It's obviously not just the music she doesn't like.

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I can understand the down view on 2 many DJs. The Radio Soulwax album came out about 2 years ago or more. Paying the cash to see someone continue to DJ Dolly Parton "9 to 5" as on the CD, an many of the other highlights - I could do that for you in a lounge using their CD.

I understand many people would love that - but me? No.

― ___ (___), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no! trucker hat! oh no!!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

At Glastonbury it was funny how they were just like any other band - you got some of the 'hits' and quite a lot of new material. Where they WERENT like any other band was that everyone went mental to the new material too.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I am saddened by the idea of T Raumschmiere being polite too. I rediscovered "Monstertruckdriver" the other day and listened to it - almost headbanging on a tram - four times in a row.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it's a much easier definition of new material though Tom, songs which are already hits. I love monstertruckdriver

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll just put in my two cents on 2many Dj's as i really can't say anything about T. Raumthingy. 2 many DJ's are arrogant, but that is not the issue, i feel. They had this rockband 'Soulwax' which was total crap and started DJ'ing to mock dance culture. That really is arrogant, but the fact that 2 years later they're still milking that cow makes them absolute hypocrites as well, really not worth spending any more words on.

― detroit delinquent, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

How is it mocking dance culture?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

offtopic: manuel, you know matthew jonson is playing madrid on the 20th?
fuck this! whay dont these people come down to BCN? like, theyre in the same country!

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

their rock music was crap,i agree,but i don't think they were mocking dance culture

― robin (robin), Thursday, 19 February 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean,a casual listen to their mixes would suggest they understand dance culture

― robin (robin), Thursday, 19 February 2004 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.mute.com/t_raumschmiere/rabauken.html#Watch

The crowd look like they're going nuts in that video. = probably quite good live...

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 19 February 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

He's great live?!?! I baffled by this polite shit.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 February 2004 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)

re: robin : i'm quite sure they were mocking dance culture because a) they had a song 'too many dj's' on their rock album which was a sneer at dance culture and b) they admitted to it in interviews when they started performing under their 2many DJ's guise. I once heard them on the radio declaring that they played 'the final countdown' just to prove that you can entertain the crowd with just about anything, which makes them arrogant about their public as well. Now you could say this all a pose, that they're oh so tongue in cheek or whatever but then you'd be missing the point, because they weren't tongue in cheek to start with, they just became that way because they had a hit on their hands. Of course this makes them human but hey, that ain't necessarily a good thing :-)

― detroit delinquent (nathalie), Thursday, 19 February 2004 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

wow, 2 many djs vs t raumschmiere hit barcelona last night. and i chose the raumschmiere option, cos i was getting crushed like a bastard in the 2 many djs queue, and at the raumschmiere gig there was arthur baker and kurtis mantronik playing.
but anyway, that was my first glimpse of t raumschmiere and it was shit! it occured to me that he is just like the hipster version of kid 606. he spent the whole time with his shirt off (rock on!) amking that stupid ´rock´symbol, but all that was coming out of the speakers was a load of sludge (and it wasnt the fault of the soundsystem), which he exacerbated by messing around making shitty....well, noise.
I thought was meant to be dance music!
so thumbs down to the techno = rock experiment. just put it out of its misery, along with the worst excesses of the schaffel thing...

― ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 20 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

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