TS: Master Of Puppets vs. Reign In Blood

I like Reing in Blood, but I've never heard Master of Puppets.

Aja, you need to hear Master Of Puppets. It is one of the heaviest records of all-time. Slayer may be my favorite band of all-time, but Master Of Puppets is metal perfection.

I'll see what I can do.

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The clunky cover of "I Ain't Superstitious" holds Peace Sells just short of classic status. To me, anyway.

I was really wanting people to put themselves back in '86. Forget what Metallica has become. This is their third record and they are just fucking going places metal has never gone. Its huge!! Of course Slayer is doing new things as well, but its just how mind-blowingly fast and aggressive it is. Slayer may have never topped Reign but they have become a much better band over the years.

And, really, what a damn silly thing to do at the expense of their own record.

Yeah, both albums are classics, but when Puppets came out, that was an event. Three years of word-of-mouth and tape trading had expectations very high. I remember the first time I heard the album that spring...it was an epiphany. Later that year, I bought the newly-released Peace Sells, solely based on the title, which I thought was quite clever (there was no video or anything from that album yet). What a great year '86 was.

Also I will be a happy man if I never hear Fade to Black again.

Who is underrating it? "Disposable heroes" is the reason I bought the album in the first place.

I really should listen to this when I go home. It's one of those albums that's so internalized I don't feel that I actually have to listen to it, but it was kind of funny hearing Master of Puppets (the song) on the radio the other night and being able to go 'huh, those are bars of 5/8 in the verses, I didn't know that when I was covering it with my friends in high school.'

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What good point did I make??

TS: Metallica vs. Slayer....

Metallica was put more riffs in one song than some bands put in an album.

It is interesting how each member lost one member and really wasn't quite the same band afterwards. Slayer wasn't the same band after Lombardo left. Slayer didn't go pop like Metallica eventually did after Cliff's death, but neither band made a record as good after the lineup changes.

For a start, I think Undisputed Attitude is fucking amazing (not least for the Minor Threat covers). Secondly, while the main point of your argument is probably accurate (that it was a cash-in), let's remember that Jeff Hanneman was displaying Pil, DRI, Anti-Pasti, Black Flag and DK's stickers on his guitar long before Undisputed.. came out. Thirdly, at least they played some comparatively obscure/esoteric material (I'd hardly call "Richard Hung Himself" by D.I. a predictable or cliched choice).

I'll take Garage Days. The last great shining moment of a shining star that would turn to shit.

Okay: how is it I ONLY JUST REALIZED "Master of Puppets" is about cocaine? Apparently I've just heard it 80 million times without ever noticing the "chop your breakfast on a mirror" line.

Or I guess drugs in general ("needlework"), but still, I have not been paying attention here

Hard to say for me. Both are two of my favorite metal albums of all time.

I have to give a slight nod to Reign in Blood for its sheer ferocity. It comes across like a thrash overture in three movements--the first 5 songs represent the first movement, as all of them pretty much flow into each other without stopping, and are thematically similar in intensity.

Songs 6-8 are the second movement, as they are catchier, but slower and less intense thrash numbers to provide the calm before the storm, which is movement three, the final two songs.

my wife heard raining blood for the first time last night playing guitar hero iii. she crushed it

Master of Puppets is too much for me these days. I haven't listened to my own copy in years. But I have to admit it sounded fucking awesome on my friend's car stereo after that Sunn O))) gig last year. Rocking out to 'Leper Messiah' with the windows down in the middle of Dublin at midnight was sweet.

However, I much prefer Reign in Blood. It's just killer from beginning to end. Nothing Slayer did before or since could match it.

I think South of Heaven is almost as good, actually

I think I go through Reign in Blood phases and Master of Puppets phases. I'm in a Puppets phase right now.

Okay: how is it I ONLY JUST REALIZED "Master of Puppets" is about cocaine? Apparently I've just heard it 80 million times without ever noticing the "chop your breakfast on a mirror" line

What did you think it was about? Puppeteering?

The main riff of "South of Heaven" is godlike.

Slayer's supreme albums are Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood, South of Heaven, and Divine Intervention (very underrated, in my opinion)...and of course the godly Haunting the Chapel.

I hated God Hates Us All and very much disliked Christ Illusion though

I did consider South of Heaven, and in my opinion it's the second record thing Slayer have ever done, but to me it's still a step behind Reign in Blood.

I like songs they've done since then, but their albums are such a sludge to get through. I bought God Hates Us All but listened to it a total of, two times maybe? In contrast, I could still spin Reign maybe six or seven times in a single afternoon, miming all the solos.

And of course, 'second record thing' should be 'second best record'.

What did you think it was about? Puppeteering?

To be fair, the album cover doesn't reflect the content of the song. It's like a combination of the songs "Master of Puppets" and "Disposable Heroes."

ok wait

my wife heard raining blood for the first time last night playing guitar hero iii. she crushed it

-- Billy Pilgrim, Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM

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i know. to be fair it was only on medium but she has fast fingers

I played MoP before going out to a bar last night and when I got there the first thing I saw was the album sleeve on the back of some dude's hoodie. I thought it was pretty cool although the dude turned out to be our city's local 'street celebrity'/nutbar so he probably stole it from someone's chair

Killing Technology (vinyl track listing)

All 3 of those albums are perfect.

Listening to MOP for the first time in probably almost 20 years... Leper Messiah at this very moment... and this is so fucking good, I clearly forgot how good. Fucking Godhead.

Fuck it all and fucking no regrets...noj.sumthing.. Blood will follow blood... DYing time is here...

Okay: how is it I ONLY JUST REALIZED "Master of Puppets" is about cocaine? Apparently I've just heard it 80 million times without ever noticing the "chop your breakfast on a mirror" line

What did you think it was about? Puppeteering?

― Alex in NYC, Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:58 PM (7 years ago)

masters, mostly

Just came across this. Someone with way too much time on their hands has taken the studio original of 'Master of Puppets' and replaced all the snare hits with the St. Anger snare drum sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=108&v=Xui06jwWaAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsYHpaKfXY

lol as i was watching that i was like "say what you will about lars but the fills in this song are fuckin tasty" and then they took a break to celebrate lars

They also do Raining Blood, aptly, but I haven't watched it yet.

Master
Master

Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gddYsOFGL1s

Hetfield is usually doing so much between singing and playing those riffs that just playing that simple part in the first half has an actor's "I don't know what to do with my hands" energy

That middle section harmony

Youtube has been recommending me a bunch of Metallica related videos lately. Someone has been pouring money into the algorithm to make Metallica cool again. Mostly videos about the lack of bass on “ride the lightning” and Jason being the most level headed member.

Saw a couple of videos were Ulrich comes across as the uncoolest spoiled brat tho. He is such an unlikable dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s

#istandwithlars #teamlars

Lol I mean I don’t think he is a bad drummer - despite what some haters say - and he’s probably one of the best businessmen in the genre. I just think he is very unlikable as a person.

Agree
But without Lars’ businessman motivation and drive there would be no band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi8A4bz6xSo

Agree
But without Lars’ businessman motivation and drive there would be no band

― calstars

Yeah I agree completely. Isn’t he the owner of Metallica?

Lars’ frosted tips phase

My thing with Slayer and alot of thrash was after it got so fast, it all kind of sounded the same to me as it all had that drill snare groove. To me, Slayer was more interesting when they actually slowed down a bit. Then again the whole horror movie aspect that became metal, was never a thing I liked either.

I like the contrast, fast / slightly less fast