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Any smart playlist suggestions for me to make the night before my commute? I'm tired of sitting in my driveway for ten minutes, messing around with browse feature.

So far, I've done Highway Songs (songs which feature the words "highway", "street", "road", or "interstate" in them), Seventies Folksters, and some sort of linking thing along the lines of these album cover connection threads you see around here.

Obviously, I need less lame playlists. That's why I've come to the experts.

That would be you people.

Thanks.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 February 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

songs to pleasure yourself to
it could be like death metal or hardcore rap

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 20 February 2004 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's 26 alphabetically-ordered suggestions.


Archers of Loaf, "You and Me"
Bob Mould, "Art Crisis"
Circus Lupus, "Pop Man"
Descendents, "Suburban Home"
Electric Eels, "Agitated"
French Kicks, "Young Lawyer"
Grant Hart, "Seka Knows"
Half Japanese, "Mississippi"
Ice Cube, "It Was A Good Day"
Jonathan Richman, "Egyptian Reggae"
Karp, "Propane Activist"
Link Wray, "Stingray"
Mekons, "Where Were You"
Neu!, "Super"
Oneida, "All Arounder"
Public Image Ltd, "Poptones"
Queen & Bowie, "Under Pressure"
Replacements, "Alex Chilton"
Silkworm, "The City Glows"
Television Personalities, "The Glittering Prizes"
U.S. Maple, "Go To Bruises"
Vaz, "Static Electrik"
Will Oldham, "Antagonism"
X, "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts"
Young MC, "Bust a Move"
ZZ Top, "Cheap Sunglasses"

Karl in California, Friday, 20 February 2004 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, fuck that. Make my E "Communist Radio" by the Eat.

Karl in California, Friday, 20 February 2004 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Silkworm standing in for the letter S? I'm telll-ling.....

And yes, I meant fewer lame playlists.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 February 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wow, I did songs about cars for my I-pod too. Any song about, or with the word, "car", "van", "hot rod", etc. I may have to expand it to highway. Um, next I plan to make a list of songs about, featuring, recorded in, or by bands that live in Brooklyn.

queenbee, Friday, 20 February 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I split mine into two big groups "clean" and "dirty" - which one I listen to depends on whether or not the kids are in the car. Sometimes, I load an instrumental playlist if I'm want some jazz or classical on it. But I've only got the original 1000 song model, so I just keep trying to come up with the best 1000 songs that always sound good in a random mix. The serendipitous surprise element of randomizing is way more satisfying that the perfect playlist to me.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate those thematical playlists where it's obvious the person just typed keywords into Kazzaa or something. They always end up sounding like shit.

maypang (maypang), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Today random pushed "Sunken Treasure" by Wilco into "Comin' Round" by Bubba Sparxxx and it was like it knew.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 February 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The trouble I have with random is that with all the Beatles and CCR albums on there, every third song is by CCR or the Beatles.

Maybe I should ask for 20-minute playlists. I could make a hundred of them, and be set for the next six months. My short-term memory would eventually fail, and I'd still get that surprise you get from the shuffle feature.

I know it sounds like I'm making a big deal about this. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that it is a big deal.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 20 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Take The Beatles and CCR off the iPod?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, now. You're just talking crazy talk, Sich.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Step 1: Admit you have a problem.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 21 February 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
is there a way to do "random by album" -- that is have a smart playlist that loads some random number of albums onto my ipod?!?!?!?!

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you can do it with a smart playlist.

(i haven't tested it)

ebb (ebb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see how that smart playlist does anything worthwhile

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see how you could do it with a smart playlist. The randomizer is hard-wired to shuffle songs, not complete albums.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Smart playlists are terrific! Just not for that.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it takes whole albums randomly

ebb (ebb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

no, that playlist takes songs with albums matching that pattern randomly

not whole albums

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, it worked for me as a playlist in itunes. i haven't copied it to an ipod.

ebb (ebb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.malcolmadams.com/itunes/scripts/scripts01.php?page=2#randomalbumplayer

I can probabaly modify this.

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a discussion in ipodlounge.com a while ago about best ways of managing collections that are too big for your iPod. Some quite good suggestions, I seem to remember, involving smart playlists.

I used to do the thing of saying 'update checked songs only' but it's not very flexible and it also means that unchecked songs don't get played on random iTunes shuffle either, which I didn't want.

I need to sort out my own iPod management. At the moment I've resorted to just having it keep a manual playlist of my CDR-700 challenge tracks, another of recent stuff I want to hear and everything else from a once all-inclusive 'iPod stuff' playlist that I've just been hacking at to make space in a very crude way (ie. deleting all A-D artists' tracks, thereby leaving only those that fall under one of the other mini-playlists).

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

These five scripts work nicely together, OS X only:

• Random Albums to iPod deletes any songs and playlists on your iPod, selects albums at random from the iTunes Library and adds every song on those albums to your iPod until it is full.

• Random Artist to iPod deletes any songs and playlists on your iPod, selects artists at random from the iTunes Library and adds every song by those artists to your iPod until it is full.

• Random iPod deletes any songs and playlists on your iPod, selects tracks at random from the iTunes Library and adds then to your iPod until it is full.

• Random Playlist Tracks to iPod deletes any songs and playlists on your iPod, selects tracks at random from the a playlist you've selected and adds songs to your iPod until it is full.

• Clean iPod deletes all songs and playlists from the iPod.

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

In the US version before 1988, the contestants were only given the choice of five consonants and one vowel, and 15 seconds to guess the puzzle. A statistical analysis shows that R, T, S, L, N, and E are the best choices, and these were almost always selected by contestants. Since 1988, the contestant is shown the puzzle with R, S, T, L, N, and E already revealed, and then they choose 3 more consonants and one more vowel, but are only given 10 seconds to solve. Since then, the difficulty of the bonus puzzles has gone up, sometimes with only one or two instances of the automatic letters appearing in the puzzle.

ebb (ebb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? i dont remember a time where RSTLNE werent given, and i was 6 in 1988, so i thought id have remembered it... in fact, i remember being around 6 or 7, and always thinking that the final word just HAD to be "listerine" because of the letters they showed up on screen, and because i was confused.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i can't think of a time without RSTLNE either so i suspect revisionist history

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there a plug-in/script whatever that allows smart playlists criteria to be fully Boolean? It's a shame I can't, say, make one that contains all tracks between 1995 and 2000 that are either R&B or Hip-Hop

ie. year=1995-2000 AND genre=(R&B OR Hip-Hop) rather than

(year=1995-2000 AND genre=R&B) OR Hip-Hop,

which is how it interprets the query if the conditions are chosen in that order, leading to all Hip-Hop, regardless of year, being added.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe the actual filters are implemented that way but not the user interface :/

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Command line user interface now!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I definitely remember when everyone would just pick R S T L N & E. I can't believe that it's been sixteen years since they did away with that. They also used to make winners of certain rounds buy crap like ceramic monkeys in between rounds. They'd feature their super-imposed heads floating about in this flea-bitten rec room, buying globes with USSR on them that lit up from the inside.

Since I originally posted this thread, I've really dug deep into the Super Playlist feature. I mean, it's so obvious now, but you can make playlists that specifically forbid artists like CCR or the Beatles if you have too much in there. It's also helpful to exclude the iTrip radio stations and The Conet Project too, if you're so inclined.

I have an "Unplayed" playlist that I spend most of my time on. Any song that I've downloaded, but haven't played on the iPod belongs on this list. From this Super list, I make hour long manual playlists for my walks. I even have fifteen second song I wrote a few years ago that I stick in halfway, so when I hear it, I know to turn around and head back for home.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

pleasant plains - awesome!

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I like having the conet project on the ipod. Spices things up.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey - this piece of shareware looks like it does exactly what I want and more.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The other thing I hope iTunes introduces (maybe it already has - I've not got the latest version) is folders for playlists. I already have far too long a list for the side panel.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

First things first- Wheel of Fortune definitely did not always have the obligitary rstlne letters come up. More often than not, though, people would choose those, occasionally substituting certain other letters like c,d,w,o, and a IIRC.
Second- since when can Itunes use a playlist as a basis for other playlists? I'm at work now, but I don't remember this feature being added- this is what made me stay with J River's Media Center for so long to organize & upload my ipod!
Please post more info about it- I'm dying here at work to go home and check it out....

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What other playlists?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't (as far as I know) use a playlist (smart or otherwise) as the basis for a smart playlist. I think Pleasant Plains was just talking about making a manual one from a smart playlist of unplayed tunes. Or are you referring to something someone else said?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Since I originally posted this thread, I've really dug deep into the Super Playlist feature. I mean, it's so obvious now, but you can make playlists that specifically forbid artists like CCR or the Beatles if you have too much in there. It's also helpful to exclude the iTrip radio stations and The Conet Project too, if you're so inclined.
I have an "Unplayed" playlist that I spend most of my time on. Any song that I've downloaded, but haven't played on the iPod belongs on this list. From this Super list, I make hour long manual playlists for my walks. I even have fifteen second song I wrote a few years ago that I stick in halfway, so when I hear it, I know to turn around and head back for home.

That's what I'm referring to....

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah - in the first bit, just make a smart playlist that excludes the CCR and excludes the Beatles (click on the + button I think it is to add another condition)

In the second example, just make a smart playlist of all tracks with a playcount of zero and then just drag whatever tracks you want from that to the hour long manual one.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i am pretty sure my iPod play counts aren't counted exactly iin iTunes. I don't know why this happens.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

There's Super Playlists and there's regular playlists, what I called a manual one there. You can "Create Super Playlist" or just "New Playlist". A super playlist obviously will let you exclude or include certain genres or artists, let you only play songs that are exactly 3:21, etc. A regular, dumb ol' new playlists is just another folder that you can call whatever you want. This is the type of playlist that one makes if you're burning a mix CD or something.

So what I have done is created an Unplayed Super Playlist. My only requirement on it is that the song has played less than one time on my iPod. Needless to say, there's over a thousand songs on there since I've got nothing better to do all day than to download songs. In addition to that, I have a regular playlist called "Walk On". It's not a super playlist, just a place to put my hour long sets on. What I do is highlight the "Unplayed" list and then drag songs over to the "Walk On" until I have an hour used up. Once I've listened to the the "Walk On" playlist, those songs disappear (in theory) from the Unplayed list, and I start all over again the next time.

So I'm creating a Super Playlist and then picking and choosing songs from that list to fill a "regular" playlist. I hope this makes sense. It's just my little way of managing a really huge Super Playlist.

(and alba just said for me in two sentences what took me three paragraphs to say. ALBA!)

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Anytime!

PP is calling smart playlists 'Super playlists', which might be the root of the confusion. Have they changed their name in the latest iTunes release?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i am pretty sure my iPod play counts aren't counted exactly iin iTunes. I don't know why this happens.

Two possible issues that I know of. First, iTunes' criterion for whether you've heard a tune is whether it's run right to the end. It doesn't matter if you start it five seconds from the end - if it is allowed to finish then the playcount goes up.

Second, are you talking about iPod plays? Some generations of the iPod (earlier ones, I think) apparently synch iPod playcounts with iTunes, and others don't. Maybe they found that writing that data was using valuable battery life - I don't know.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Smart, super... I have lost the power of exact recall in my old age.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep my iPod and iTunes out of synch, but you can have it auto-synch if you like.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

play counts aren't counter exactly by itunes.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahh, I didn't understand that you were referring to smart playlists.
Here's what funny- I did a search on "super playlists itunes" and came across a few interesting items.
For mac users, there's this page: http://home.comcast.net/~somers_software/random_playlist_creator.html
(Of course, the link in this thread above to Doug's Applescripts has a bunch of different scripts for manipulating smartlists on a mac, too)
And, a site I'd forgotten about: smartplaylists.com.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, xpost by me. Sorry about that.
In itunes and on the ipod, a tune is only counted as "played" if the song completes- this means if you press the >> key when a song even has one second left, it is considered not played. I've gotten so used to clicking the center button once and then scrolling clockwise to get to the end of the song, I rarely actually use the >> button anymore.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

And in regard to 'smart' or 'super' playlist ideas, I humbly offer the following that I actively use on mine:
-4 plays no rate--> once any song's been played four times, it goes here until I rate it, then it drops off.
-Forgotten Faves--> rated 4 or higher, not played in the past six months.
-[genre] 4hrs--> 4 hours of hiphop, rock, etc
-Singles 5gb--> 5gig of songs rated 4 or higher, not heard in the last 3 days, with live updating to drop off the songs and have them replenished as I play them
-Singles indie-->similar to above.
-Unrated inde--> self explanatory.
-Unrated unheard indie--> similar to above.
I use the "comments" field to help with my smartlists- off the top of my head, here are some things I put in there to help weed things in or out:
indie, live, mix, xmas, powerpop, punk, chill, 80s, newwave, twang, metal, familytrip, etcetera.
I also sometimes put a band name in there is the artist is a side project, band members in if they're famous (such as the players in Miles Davis' various band incarnations), producer's name if they're famous, sub genres, or whatever else I think I may use when I'm searching or creating a new smartlist down the line.
I like to keep my 'genre' field fairly simple: celtic, classical, comedy, rock, hip-hop, electronic, blues, country, folk, r&b/soul, vocals, jazz, world. I try and use the comment field to bring together "sub genres" that would otherwise not come together- for example, I consider Neko Case to be country and the Jayhawks to be rock, but they both fall under "twang".
I'm sorry it's so wordy, I'm just hoping this helps someone.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I never got to grips with the whole star rating thing. I can understand giving five stars to one's favourite tracks of all time, and maybe four to ones that are in the second tier, but beyond that, further gradations it make no sense to me (I mean if I don't like it at all then it wouldn't be on there at all).

My genres are pretty simple too -almost everything goes under Pop, Rock, R&B, Electronic, Dance, Hip Hop, Country, Folk or Avant Garde. I'm thinking of introducing a 'Funk' one though.

Year is the only tag I'm really careful about.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Ratings are one of those features that are more likely to be used if you either
a- have a large collection or
b- have multiple users sharing a library.
I use the comments field to keep my wife's music separate- "onlyjen" assures I don't hear it, while "jenjoe" means we both like it. (this helps to keep things like the beauty and the beast soundtrack off my ipod)
If you plan to move all your stuff onto your computer, then you probably won't want to delete stuff. It's easier than to just rate things like crappy songs or hiphop skits=1.
Also good for keeping comedy cd's & holiday music off.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I only use iTunes to listen to music now, and have no problem deleting crappy tracks from albums.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

see what itunes does to you?

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow- I just found out we can have nested playslists- I never saw this before. It's this selection:
"Playlist is/is not _____"
Is anyone using this? (jeez, where have I been?)

mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh - I didn't know that. Must have a look. That pretty much solves the Boolean problem.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Not in my version (4.0.1) you can't. Guess I should update.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like having the conet project on the ipod. Spices things up.

Me too

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, and if the only criterion you provide is that the playlist is the playlist you are modifying, your computer will simply start playing "Where's Your Head At?" and NEVER STOP.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)


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