Amy Phillips, "White Blood Sells: Race and the White Stripes' Moment in the Sun" [oh god no]

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This is going to happen at the 2004 Experience Music Project and I would really appreciate a good, rational explanation why.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(Yes, that Amy Phillips)

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Because lots of people hate formally discussing music, and will use any possible idea (no matter how stupid) to avoid doing so.

― Jedmond, Saturday, 21 February 2004 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

In a pop music climate dominated commercially by hip-hop, Jack and Meg offer a lily-white alternative, their pale, pancake-makeup-covered faces and raw, stripped-down sound contrast sharply with dark-skinned rappers and their complex digitized rhythms. The media have embraced the Stripes as symbols of anti-rap, as rock’s Great White Hope in the face of dwindling record sales and increasing artistic irrelevance. And although I do not believe that the Whites are racists—their love for African-American-derived musical forms such as the blues and garage rock is too great, for one—I also do not think that they are entirely innocent in the matter.

not only do they not rap -- THEY'RE WHITE! *gasp!* The BASTARDS! Though it's interesting that now the white guys own the primal beat. Where does Coldplay (rock's other Great White Hope) and the Cure (who were rocking the pale and pancake long before) fit into this? Are those folks "innocent"?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Where does Coldplay (rock's other Great White Hope)

So are Radiohead in their own universe then? Oh right, Xgau said they didn't have enough Africa in 'em.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Radiohead should be even more "guilty" then.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oh Jesus no. She actually wrote that? And they gave her a panel to elaborate?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

wouldn't you like her to elaborate?

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

sure, I'm a big fan of dumb

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Somebody plz link to the full article.
2. How are the White Stripes not innocent? Because of they music they chose to play, or because how they chose to be accepted into the mainstream or oh yeah, wait, it's bullshit.

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I can see that.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I really hope the White Stripes put out a "King Of Rap" song where he notes that he doesn't need complex rhythms and technology ("there's two of us but we're not Run-DMC!"). Where you see Linkin Park standing behind him and then all of sudden it's just MEG! Then they'd be guilty.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody plz link to the full article
I don't think you can. The abstracts are available on the EMP page.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes people just go to great lengths to use a clever pun they thought up as the title of something.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

too bad Ego Trip's Big Book of Racism brought it up first (and had the sense to actually leave it as a one-liner).

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

So what are the best questions one could ask her at such a panel - name your favorite three 6 mafia song? Or maybe Jack and Meg could attend their own trial!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"So is 'Kool Thing' automatically your favorite Sonic Youth song?"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe Michael Jackson and Johnny Winter could question her hatred of the "lily-white"?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And Brother Ali!

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ok that was bad

what really cracks me up: the "moment in the sun" bit. They're only here for a limited time folx; remember the Knack?!?!

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If anything the White Stripes are ageist. If you aren't in preschool or named Blind Willie something they just don't give a shit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(that was a joke, not a paper abstract btw)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is gross. The topic of Amy's piece intrigues. I've no idea if she can pull it off, but I'd love to see her try.

― s woods, Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

a good, rational explanation why.

actually, it's sort of obvious.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The topic of Amy's piece intrigues

It intrigues because it condemns without saying what she's going to condemn them for -- which is a good function of a trailer or abstract or snippet, to build anticipation.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's what she wrote in the P&J comments, which is why I approach the prospect of her panel with a spastic horror:

"Don't the White Stripes seem a little too white for their own good? And I'm not just talking about their complexions. Like, would it kill them to get out in the street and mingle with some brown people once in a while? I mean brown people that aren't dead or really old bluesmen, or Mick Collins? Or that scary slave, er, bodyguard they had with them on Conan O'Brien."

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)
I guess the reason why this doesn't intrigue me is that the abstract seems to acknowledge nothing beyond The White Stripes and "commercially dominating hip-hop" (as if Evanescence, Nickelback, Good Charlotte, Coldplay, JOSH GROBAN and the numerous other non-rap groups that have sold more than the White Stripes don't exist) and the implication that they're not "innocent" just because they wear pancake and are openly not fond of hip-hop. I just can't see where this could go that would be of any value. Sorry if that strikes you as gross.

(and now after seeing Nate's p'n'j excerpt of hers)
and yeah, why are the White Stripes of all groups being pointed out for this? Have Simple Plan been seen with "brown people"? What exactly does she WANT from the Stripes? What are they GUILTY of?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i take it you didn't read jack's novak-like "white people are the black man's bitches" screed in blender, nate?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I didn't. I don't read Blender. And what do you mean "Novak-like"? Novak who? 'Scuse the ignorance.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, bob novak, pinch-faced right-wing shill. if i still have the issue i'll quote it. jack expounds very il-liberally on hip hop and black-white relations.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This is so obvious. Look, if the Stripes start hanging out with black people then they're not making rock. They have to steal from black people and then avoid them for it to be rock, duh.

― dean! (deangulberry), Saturday, 21 February 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a subscription to Blender and I totally missed his il-liberal statement on black-white relations. I definitely caught the "I don't like hip-hop, whatever happened to wholesome values" talk. Though he didn't seem particularly fond of Britney Spears either. And less time I checked, she was white and Mississippi John Hurt wasn't. At best I can see him being accused of...ROCKISM.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard he said something about "rap just isn't advancing enough maaaan" which I agree is kind of a backwards thing to say but even if I listen for it I can't really hear his music as a direct reaction to any other specific music (unlike fellow Detroiter Seger and his emphasis on writing songs about the Greatness-o-Rock in the late '70s). The black-white relations bit I haven't heard anything about yet.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i am assuming yancey's referring to conservative commentator bob novak. (hi yancey!)

i think this thread sucks. she wrote her thesis on the white stripes, if i recall -- i think her presentation has the potential to be pretty good.

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

obv., anthony. i definitely ain't accusing him of being racist -- i could care less what jack white thinks of anything (and would care even less less if he could write another song as "yr pretty good looking"). i just found his blender comments (there's one in particular that i remember i almost started a thread about, though i can't think of what he said now) shocklingly aggressive and reactionary. combine this with anecdotes i've heard from friends/enemies/acquaintances of his, and a portrait of a close-minded, unhappy man emerges. more makeup'll fix it tho.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

tht thing she wrote on the white stripes for P&J seems a bit silly but then I know amy's (i) intelligent and (ii) a good writer so it makes me stop and think what am I missing not what is she missing. as for this, s woods is otm, it's intriguing, I don't get the feeling that she's thought up a pun and then tried to run with it (is that 'cos I trust her? who knows) but anyway who cares if that is why she's running with it, it'll could be (i) funny and (ii) insightful and if I were at the EMP thing I'd go listen to her talk.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(example of a nu-garage band that wears their gripes on their sleeves: Watts, whose "Cool American" lamented that "the kids just wanna hear a good beat" as if it's a bad thing)

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd probably check this out if a)I was going and b)it wasn't at the same time as Xgau's presentation.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread will get 200+ replies.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

dude you so jinxed it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I'm just pissed/embarrassed that a band I haven't bothered to really "know" outside the way they sound on records has so much weird baggage and that there'll be some sort of weird moral impetus placed on people to not like it*.

*not to be confused with a weird moral impetus placed on people to like it but also like other things

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I just don't like race-baiting. Ironically this was why Nate's Outkast p&j thread rankled me (though other people debated that enough that I had no need to put my two cents in).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hey would you people be calling this thread gross if it was about something xgau was submitting?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"not like it" = "not like the music"

If I had to sell every album I had where the artist made questionable sociopolitical statements out of context of the album itself I would be able to buy a round-trip ticket to Seattle and the EMP conference myself.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't race-baiting, I was rockist-baiting

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not all that interested in what Jack White has to say about anything and am willing to believe that he is as Yancey describes. But I'm not sure what that has to do with the panel topic, and I find the abstract above "gross" in its stupidity.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest, I'm insanely jealous of amy phillips. regular writing for the voice, editor on record as really liking her writing (d'uh), young, intelligent etc. lives in new york! probly has met geeta! (ha.) but you know what, I've not read that much of her stuff. in fact, probably just the sonic youth article, which is great. I though. I'm gunna go read a bunch of her stuff right now!

± lazyness.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't be calling it gross if this was a Xgau thing, I dunno why. probably a combination of presumptuous patronising attitude ('amy's young lay off a bit') and I wouldn't have that nate and miccio being jerks abt someone I like feeling, cs I never read more than 20 sentences by Xgau in my life. in fact, probably as little as I read of amy, and look I'm calling her by her first name, funny. plus, other stuff.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

what really cracks me up: the "moment in the sun" bit.
The White Stripes must have their lebensraum!

― Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I apologize sincerely for believing that Amy Phillips' writing is not very good and that she comes to some ill-thought-out conclusions. All critics are great and wonderful.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

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Jack White, who comes from a city where only white people get famous playing hip-hop, has said hip-hop stopped doing interesting things in 1986. He has this bizarre romantic attachment to a time when music was supposedly about "sweethearts," and has said he thinks rap music harms children. He plays black music that was fashionable 60 fucking years ago. He brings token large black guys onto TV shows with him. How is that NOT about race? How are Radiohead or the Strokes similar? How does it not at least RAISE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT CONCEIVABLY BE INTERESTING? Fuck you people are stupid.

― alpha motherfucker, Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Or 80 fucking years ago, whatever. Either way, Perpetua's last post is idiotic.

― alpha motherfucker, Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Radiohead and the Strokes are definitely not similar to the White Stripes since they aren't very good.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Beck's the guy who makes cuh-raaazy goofy hip-hop albums and slow serious albums of balladry that aren't real Beck albums right?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So how does somebody doing a presentation about the White Stripes' relationship to race prevent somebody else from doing a presentation about Beck's (or Eminem's, or Moby's, or Kelly Clarkson's, or Autechre's, or the Red Hot Chili Pepper's, or Coldplay's, or Lenny Kravitz's, or Hootie and the Blowfish's, or the Bad Brains') relationship to race? One doesn't exactly negate the other. So where's the contradiction?

― alpha motherfucker, Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Are You Gonna Buy My Race?: Race and Lenny Kravitz's Moment In The Sun

Whites Are All Made Of Sales: Race and Moby's Moment In The Sun

Funky Honkys: Race and the Red Hot Chili Peppers' Moment In The Sun

Will The Racist Slim Shady Please Stand Up?: Race and Emimen's Moment In The Sun

Man, this is fun!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still pissed that the White Stripes are influenced by unfashionable black music that should have died along with Robert Johnson

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Violent Femmes and Led Zeppelin are white!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

and they started LONG after Robert Johnson!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Alpha Motherfucker, I don't think the ideas are irrelevant, I'm just wary of this whole thing because I think that Amy Phillips is a terrible writer, going on everything she's ever had published in the Voice.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The Violent Femmes and Led Zeppelin are white!

wow that's a good summary of the Stripes. No wonder I like them!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

But the music is oh so....how shall I put this? Unfashionable.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Von Trier's "Zentropa" is in black and white and color. But "Element of a Crime" is in sepia, kind of like the beginning of "Wizard of Oz."

Also: Amy Phillips eats babies! It's true!

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 5 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

How does it not at least RAISE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT CONCEIVABLY BE INTERESTING?

It is in an interesting topic. But when done by someone who refers to a bodyguard as a slave, I can already tell what the slant and agenda is going to be -- that which favors using inflammatory language over analytical thought.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Most big-name black artists have black bodyguards.

― mei (mei), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No they have black slaves, mei. Get with it.

― Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 6 March 2004 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

So, how did this one go?

― don carville weiner, Sunday, 18 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The Influence of Gene Autrey on Muddy Waters: Selling Your Soul To the Man with Q&A and buffet after.

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is fascinating for how it features a lot of people getting worked up over the title of a paper.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

who was that Alpha Motherfucker twat anyway?

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

oh come on, John, we got excited over the ABSTRACT. Give us some credit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you were getting excited in the abstract.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

who said my name?
http://us.ent2.yimg.com/musicfinder.yahoo.com/images/yahoo/arista/qtip/0202_q_tip.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

(Yes, that Amy Phillips)

Everyone should follow that link just to see the thread's title. James Bount, I salute you.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

that blount thread is actually the first ILX thread I ever saw!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(uh, would it be uncouth of me to mention that, while I wasn't able to attend her piece on the White Stripes, that Amy and I hung out occasionally during the conference and we got along great, and I think she is really a swell and smart person?)

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Not at all. Indeed, that is most good to hear! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

A regular Chuck Eddy aren't you DB? (jk haha)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

big pimpin

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 April 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is mostly weird because I know a girl named Amy Phillips. I think she likes the Dave Mathews band though.

― David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 19 April 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I once knew a girl at college named Andrea Phillips. really beautiful, sweet girl, big Rusted Root fan.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 April 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew a gal named Mackenzie Phillips. She had it rough -- her parents split and I thing she had problems with pills -- but she managed to take things one day at a time.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 19 April 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my best friends in elementary school was named Amy BLACK. She was great at soccer and loved to read. I also knew a John Ph1ll1ps, who had the honor of getting busted with a sheet of acid at the tender age of 13.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting that "White Blood Cells" was #7 on her 2001 P&J ballot:

http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/01/critic.php?criticid=3084

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get what's so puzzling (or interesting) about that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to say. She can easily be a stone cold fan of the music while still raising questions about presentation and interpretation.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Would her silly comments in the most recent Pazz & Jop about the Stripes needing to be around black people other than Mick Collins and that big guy who stood nearby when they were on some tv show, count as just "presentation and interpretation"? Although she is certainly entitled to change her view of the band over time.

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Thinking that the Stripes personally might benefit from a slightly broader worldview doesn't change anything either.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

black people = authenticity

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Douglas Wolk from his lacunae.com blog re the EMP presentation:

Other highlights: Seth Sanders on the relationship between heavy metal, evil, and the demand for judgement in Black Sabbath; Amy Phillips on how exactly the White Stripes have managed to get away with not being questioned about race much; Franklin Bruno on "Is That All There Is?"; Peter Stampfel and Jeannie Scofield doing a lunchtime performance of some of Stampfel's project where he's recording a song apiece from every year of the 20th century. Disappointments: the non-appearance of Jewlia Eisenberg, Carrie Brownstein and Margo Jefferson, all of whose pieces I'd wanted to see.
Posted by Douglas at 05:01 PM | Comments (0)

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anybody else see Amy's presentation?

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Friday, 23 April 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Amy Phillips on how exactly the White Stripes have managed to get away with not being questioned about race much

Phrased that way, her piece sounds very interesting.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

If we could only get Wolk, or Matos or someone to elaborate...

― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve, I'm sure there's a way you could possibly contact Amy via email if you asked someone at the Voice via email and explain your request, and perhaps she'd be happy to send you her piece.. or not. I'm not speaking on her behalf. But begging someone here to elaborate on it isn't going to help you any further. (Unless Douglas wants to elaborate, but you're starting to come off as a bit pushy, to me, anyway)

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Hang on, so C4rrie Brown$tein was a no-show?

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

she was a no-show. apparently her plumbing blew up.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you're speaking about her apartment or house.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

thank you for taking the bad joke pressure off of me, Nicole

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Call the doctor! ho ho!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I do my best.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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