Metal Techno, or Techno Metal

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Is there any yet? Throw some names at me.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 21 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

There were attempts.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Like, industrial?

― Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 21 February 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing yet (leaving aside the almost-but-not-quite-metal-techno world of industrial music)? Where's the Norwegian metal contingent, they must know something?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Try the Berzerker. Death metal with 808 kickdrum sounds. Nice on record, but (I hope) unintentionally comedic live (they play wearing rubber monster masks).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Atari Teenage Riot come close, I'd say.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ultraviolence? Peel always played them on his show. Kerrang covered them lots too back in the early 90s.

― Rock Bastard, Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

How come metal is the genre with the fanbase least receptive to cross-polination of ideas from other musical genres?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you're wrong there, Jon. It's more that 1) the various fanbases are fragmented and 2) metal is too fluid a term, as are just about all genres.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, us Nile fans love our metal crossed with king tut rock.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

you can always check out those lenny dee and omar santana deathgabber comps too.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

and yeah, atari teenage riot

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, point taken!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon, check out Maudlin of the Well for the cross-pollination of death metal, jazz, prog, and emo.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

you would like them.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

lots of metal bands use electronic elements in their sound. maybe, not techno, but still... Ulver were a band that has made harsh lo-fi black metal AND techno records though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/community/rochester/464793.html
^ metal kids baiting ~~emo~~ indie kids!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

How come nearly no metal fans haven't caught on to WOLF EYES?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"Because that stuff's just noise, man."

*practices 'Eruption' riff again*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.epsilonminus.com/darquedungeon/dd_14.gif

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the ulver remix album from last year is great and made my top ten but only merzbow remixed some of their metal stuff into his offering. everyone else stuck to more atmospheric stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i think Alchemist's last album Austral Alien is a direction i wouldn't mind seeing other metal bands going in. a little doom, a little hawkwind, some elctro moments, and your basic death noises.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

and Rammstein, don't forget about them as far as technometal goes. ( there was a time many moons ago when i thought young gods and treponem pal might take over the world. i didn't count on NIN/Ministry becoming the template instead for future korny bands. makes sense though. where were nu-metal hicks gonna find treponem pal albums.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

>>How come nearly no metal fans haven't caught on to WOLF EYES? <<

I've made it my mission recently to get all my trading friends into shit like High Rise, Lightning Bolt, Pink And Brown, Merzbow, Fushitsusha, Arab On Radar, etc. Pretty much whenever I play that kind of stuff for them, it piques their interest.

Main reason why they don't listen to Wolf Eyes, Massona, etc; they don't know they exist.

― Alan Conceicao, Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking the Young Gods myself when this thread started. Ah, the dream.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Sielwolf maybe, especially on their third one Metastasen.

― Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Why don't more Wolf Eyes fans listen to Cephalic Carnage?

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Malhavoc had an techno-ish feel, and also dabbled in dark ambient at times (although that is hardly atypical for metal bands). I have one of their albums on a cassette from about 1993, I have no idea if they're even still around though.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

And speaking of Atari Teenage Riot, what about Alec Empire's solo effort Intelligence & Sacrifice? That's the most metal sounding digital hardcore album, imho. Empire even refers to it as 'my metal album'.

― Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Saturday, 21 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

a..y r.....n

― Former Supposed So Called Nihilist Teenage Drug Disco Addiction Counselor (mjt), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

How come metal is the genre with the fanbase least receptive to cross-polination of ideas from other musical genres?

Oddly, some genres are better received than others - ambient, punk,folk, orchestral music and jazz have all been accepted and successfully integrated in metal, but hiphop and electronic dance music the fit has not been as close.

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it doesn't help that efforts to integrate hip-hop and metal are often less than stellar.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

anybody remember Bloodstar? or is it just me and chuck eddy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There was that shitty band on Earache ... Mighty Force I believe they were called. I think their whole deal was a metal/techno hybrid. Actually, maybe they weren't shitty; I can't remember what they sounded like. But I bet they were.

― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

it doesn't help that efforts to integrate hip-hop and metal are often less than stellar.
What about the Judgement Night soundtrack?

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

lots of really fast death metal reminds me of techno.it's a transcendent repetition thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't even remember the judgement night soundtrack. i think i had a copy at the time. i think i liked whatever slayer did.wait, they were on it, weren't they?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Mighty Force were, indeed, shitty.

The best band for the transcendent repetition thing has gotta be either Mortician or Ripping Corpse (circa Freaks).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost?
... although I'd understand if you claimed that none of those bands were proper metal. However, those collaborations worked well enough to show that the combination could work, even if Limp Dick et al have fucked it up completely since then.

I think Slayer were on it. It came out in 1992, I think.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Rob Zombie?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha Moby House of Pain remix

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry; Freaks was by Rigor Mortis, not Ripping Corpse.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Curse of the Golden Vampire's "Mass Destruction" to thread!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"How come metal is the genre with the fanbase least receptive to cross-polination of ideas from other musical genres?
-- Jon Williams (william...)"

I hardly think they beat "classic rock" lovers on that issue.

"Does is sound like The Beatles?"
"Er... no..."
"Does it sound like Pink Floyd?"
"Er... no..."
"Does is sound like Led Zeppelin?"
"Er... no..."
"Then fuck off with it."

― Stupid (Stupid), Sunday, 22 February 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

So... there's still now such thing as metal techno or techno metal except for a few efforts here and there, many of which aren't successful. Is that right?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 22 February 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

how about ministry's "the land of rape and honey"?

― tricky disco (disco stu), Sunday, 22 February 2004 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, i gave you like 50 examples.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 22 February 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Metal Master by Spectrum came out on eye q music in mid 90s some great stuff also there was a band called the delta that did some blinding thrash guitar over 4/4 kicks
and the sun project

― hector (hector), Sunday, 22 February 2004 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, let's face it though. It's all either industrial or drum machines with guitars on top.

If you ask me, there's a thousand times more techno in Slayer than in either Alec Empire or Ministry. I'm sorry. I'm really asking for something more than a hybrid. I want METAL played ELECTRONICALLY. No clever hybrids.

What if, say, Pantera dropped their instruments and tried to make a Pantera album with electronic gear only? That's what I want to hear.

I'm not asking you to like it. I want to know if there is any.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 22 February 2004 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

>>I'm not asking you to like it. I want to know if there is any. <<

Speedcore/terrorcore and gabba would probably be your best bet then.

― Alan Conceicao, Sunday, 22 February 2004 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

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I still am very fond of the Young Gods even though the last album was a bit of a retread. The Young Gods Play Kurt Weill is a greatly underrated record, it's interpretations of Mack The Knife, Alabama Song & September Song stand up to any of the more well known ones I've heard. Even if a lot of them have a strange disregard for the original chords/melody, sounds odd, I know. It is a kick arse album though.

As far as Metal Techno, does anyone remember Crowforce? Really, truly like an acid techno record synced up to bad Xentrix style thrash metal.
Any fans of OLD here btw?

― mzui, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

Now I'm listening to Aborym's 'With No Human Intervention'. It's dense, very dense, with a really 'kitchen sink' style production aesthetic - reverb thrown at everything, a great slab of synchronised sound that unfortunately often buries the fine vocals. It's sort of rabid and wild. It sounds quite fresh and invigorating. A new direction for industrial music perhaps. Not quite the simple, minimal thing I'm after but very good nonetheless.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cokkie Monster."

tee hee ;-)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

latebloomer, you cheesy person.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cheesiest person!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dodheimsgard released a metal-technoish album not too long ago...don't remember the exact title, only that it had '666' in it

Strapping Young Lad might fit in this category too, specially the second album

― manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be "666 International'. Haven't heard it yet.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Fear Factory

― seedy poops in the woods (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

anybody remember Bloodstar? or is it just me and chuck eddy.

a few months ago i found the desert engine release of their first one. wow! it's great overall, but the best bits are when it movies over the line between 'industrial' and into amebix territory. specifically i'm thinking of "dawn." i can't believe i didn't like this when red decibel reissued it.

(and this guy has some downloads of their later stuff, which sounds more rhythmic but still ok. i'm wondering if the 10" is worth pursuing.)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The 10-inch (hyperspace) is probably the best 10-inch record I own!

(The first album -- the one in the blue cover -- is probably still their best record, though. The later one where they are wearing new waveo colored sunglasses and which I own on CD is also worth looking around for. As is their *Back From Hell* 12-inch EP from 1999.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

my brother was telling me the other day how he thinks getting into techno & dnb (techstep, not jungle) is often the next logical step for teenage metallers. maybe it's more of a european thing. alot of the stay up forever crew for example all used to be metal heads, though this probably isn't the kind of techno you're on about. my brother and his friend have started programming blast beats on cubase and playing death metal riffs over the top, it sounds pretty cool!

― scg, Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Mad Capsule Markets are kind of techno-metal.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 March 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always thought of White Zombie's 'Astro-creep 2000' of being a techno metal album. It's the only one I can think of that really fits that description in my mind. It's also surprisingly good, considering everything else rob zombie's done.

― allowed (spaces are allowed), Thursday, 17 March 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Now that there are more and more attempts to make this happen in electronic dance music, it may be worth pointing out that, just as disco's use of the odd synthesizer didn't result in house, so also the odd guitar riff in what is otherwise a straight-up house record is not going to create electronic rock. Importing ideas into the established genre of house or hip hop, each with its own characteristic beats and production approach, is definitely not on the right track, any more than sticking pictures of the Eiffel Tower in your house means you've moved to Paris.

This may or may not make sense, I'm trying to argue very simply and clearly but dammit I don't know if I'm really succeeding.

― moley, Saturday, 25 June 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Some posts on this thread hit on why I think Meshuggah may be the closest thing to this idea going on right now (esp. wrt 'Chaosphere' and 'Catch-33').

― original bgm, Sunday, 26 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Found another thing in that world - misanthropic fella, he only has 4 friends, one of whom is Tom.

Larynx:

http://www.myspace.com/larynxgoregrind

― moley, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 07:27 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ fake death grunts

― ☪, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

You have real death grunts? That makes you a purveyor of snuff audio!

― moley, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

I've got a recent 2CD compilation from italian label Code666 records called "Better Undead than Alive" including tracks by Aborym, Thee Maldoror Kollektive and some other bands that play blackened metal with dance beats.

I haven't listened to all of it yet but nothing has stood out so far. The thing is that the beats don't pack enough power to move your feet (programmed blasts a la Mortician are lame to dance to and ruin the dance groove), and the riffs don't really gel. Results vary but tend to be a bit lame. It could be great when someone figures out how to do this properly, though.

― no-nonsense, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

Run, don't walk, to the record store and purchase the Eustachian / Vytear split 12" "Broken Teef" on Fathme records if you want to hear a seriously ass kicking death metal breakcore record. The rhythmic syntax is of the Venetian Snares variety, but the sound-set consists entirely of metal sounds, and the breakdowns contain big slabs of doomy feeding back guitar stuff, so it (somewhat) avoids the problem Moley flagged above about structure. Some of the record is just breakcore, but when it's working to fuse metal and electronics, it's boss.

― Drew Daniel, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

new DHG album is definitely making any year-end list of mine. love it so much.

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/581890.jpg

― scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

what about genghis tron?

― Fetchboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, Distance.

Check his album My Demons.

Tim F thinks it sounds like Techstep.

I think it sounds like someone playing pseudo Korn riffs with kinda DNB sounding synths at dubstep tempo.

Or Pendulum, which is starting to head down the line of thinking equates nu-metal + DNB as a good idea.

Also, White Pony and Nothing by Meshuggah.

― Siah Alan, Friday, 27 April 2007 04:33 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone mentioned Ewigkeit yet? No? Then consider them mentioned. Sort of like thrash trance, I guess is the best way to put it? Cool stuff. Sounds like it shouldn't work, but it does.

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 27 April 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

Of course, Meshuggah - they're the closest by far. In fact, they nail it.

― moley, Friday, 27 April 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

I saw them in 2003 and had absolutely no fucking clue what I was listening to.

Given a couple years to get my head round it, I think they're some of the most interesting techno making Swedish death metal people around.

― Siah Alan, Friday, 27 April 2007 05:22 (eighteen years ago)

Got another one for you - these dudes, Therm.Eye.Flame, are from Russia:

http://www.myspace.com/tefsector

The brilliant Wrath of the Weak, another one man BM band. Great atmosphere, great loose feel on the drums, and the classic necro production we all know and love:

http://www.myspace.com/wotw666

Interview with WOW on Maelstrom:

http://www.maelstrom.nu/ezine/interview_iss53_238.php?sid=25b047dbe62a69b7eccc7f297fb8082d&osCsid=25b047dbe62a69b7eccc7f297fb8082d

So far, the most convincing electronic metal records are all BM (Meshuggah, who have their own rather indescribeable souund, are burning that candle at the other end, being a conventional rock line-up that is getting increasingly techno, with loops and drum programming on the new records. It's getting a little harder now to pick the differences between the electronic bands and the non-electronic ones, in my opinion.

I don't see too many electronic acts trying to create the kinds of metal we hear from, say Edguy, or better yet inventing their own sound, more's the pity. As I said, the vanguard of this approach is in black metal, and the groups and individuals aremostly classicist (1991-93) in their approach as you can hear.

― moley, Monday, 7 May 2007 07:19 (eighteen years ago)

As I mentioned on this thread, several German trance and techno producers did "metal techno" (which was mostly just trance/techno with metal samples) in the early nineties. If you can still find it (I've lost my own copy), this compilation has several such tunes alongside more traditional industrial tracks.

― Tuomas, Monday, 7 May 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

Something else: this one is Electro Static Discharge from Portland, and they seem to take their cue from Children of Bodom, who actually don't appear in their influences so maybe I am wrong about that. Also, they're influenced by Sega and Nintendo, and you can definitely hear that. They use electronic sequenced drums and have a bit of bleepy action in there. My, don't they look indie though? I like this shit though, I think it's grand.

http://www.myspace.com/esdftw

― moley, Thursday, 30 August 2007 03:40 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

any chance we could hear some of the stuff you were/are working on in this vein, moley?

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 February 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

a homeboy, a hippie & a funkie dredd 'total confusion'.

― or something, Monday, 18 February 2008 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxAkORaDZg&feature=fvw

― Randolph Carter (Viceroy), Monday, 27 September 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

good timing for reviving this thread!
dan & jj, a while back i said i had a single by a german/american industrial band that i couldnt remember the name of , well here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7L5t7mgj-w

you guys know it?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 September 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTh13Akdjg

― Randolph Carter (Viceroy), Monday, 27 September 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)

uh and there's also this kind of techno metal, lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O75mx0YFcqs

― Randolph Carter (Viceroy), Monday, 27 September 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

scary

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

are dan & jj around?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 27 September 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

woah. i thought i'd be into a lot of what this thread was laying down, but thus far, i'm a bit 'uh///'

― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 01:25 (fifteen years ago)

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

jooooooohhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnn

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:21 (fifteen years ago)

I've heard of these guys but I don't know that I've actually heard them before.

― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

hello!

― the great aussie ballkicking vids (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

that one is a mystery to me

― the great aussie ballkicking vids (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:25 (fifteen years ago)

I like this though, it's like a more successful version of KMFDM's full-on metal mode

― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:25 (fifteen years ago)

I have that CD and the 12" of Die Krupps "To The Hilt".
Filed under What Was I Thinking.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

i do not like it.

also i am mad at both of you because my first reaction to that was to look up Bile youtubes.

oh man that band is no good.

― the great aussie ballkicking vids (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

ok i will slightly modify that argument, that band is NOW absolutely no good but plenty laughable so that has some worth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzEjPkG1iss

BUT
i am kinda certain that the first album suck pump was some kinda sorta awesome throwback skinny puppy deal, might investigate further and see if i should in fact be filled with shame

― the great aussie ballkicking vids (jjjusten), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:40 (fifteen years ago)

i think you guys should show more youtubes of the industrial bands of your youth

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:52 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Ec81NuvPA

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

i thought we should have a new thread for this
A thread of Youtubes for Hi Dere, JJusten & Pfunkboys (and anyone elses) Dodgy Techno/Industrial/Metal Past

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 17:01 (fifteen years ago)

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