― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)
It sucks.
― ddb, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jason J, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)
xpost - I like 'All Most Heaven', too. But this ain't a lot like that.
― Jason J, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)
(misguided matrix apologists need not respond)
― Jack Flack, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scott, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)
thee
― thee trouthole, Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
tico i agree on all counts with what you're saying here ... but you're only addressing the concept, not the actual sound that comes out of the actual speakers - and which my actual ears find rather vile.
(also i am fully cognizant that mr oldham likely finds my revulsion quite gratifying)
― Jack Flack, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)
I'll definitely buy this, though. The cover is great.
http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc252.jpg
― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)
I think he just likes to ruin things. Something like the punk ethos; lack of reverance as a path to innovation (?). Sorry to self-promote.
― ben tausig, Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Scott, Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― ben tausig, Thursday, 26 February 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― russignon, Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― adam (adam), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)
From Real Life Rock Top 10, in today's Minneapolis City Pages:
4) Bonnie "Prince" Billie, Bonnie "Prince" Billy Sings Greatest Palace Music (Drag City) Aren't tribute albums terrible? And this is a self-tribute album--smug versions of great Palace songs by Will Oldham, a.k.a. Palace--a whole new terrible genre.
― Jack Flack, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)
I'd rate it average on a scale of crap to great though I do need to give it a few more spins.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery, Thursday, 4 March 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)
now if i like something,i enjoy it more for what i think of it.
― william (william), Thursday, 4 March 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― cws (cws), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)
I can see myself playing this more in the future than I do "Days in the Wake" or whatever.
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 29 March 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― hsimah (hamish), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)
She's a few years younger than me, but she's pretty well-versed in '90s indie rock - she saw Pavement a bunch of times, has some early Sebadoh albums, likes Superchunk, etc. I always thought of Palace as a minor pillar of that whole scene - enough so that even though I wasn't a fan, I knew their albums from hearing them at other people's houses in college, etc.
And my roommate, who's several years older than me and isn't at all a '90s indie rock kind of guy (but is pretty into music), says he's heard of Will Oldham, but not Palace.
How could this be? Were Palace more of a regional (East Coast) thing? (Both these people are from California.) I just figured, if you know who Pavement and Guided By Voices and whoever else are, surely you've heard a Palace album or two!
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
This exact thing happened to me. I play in a band with two guys who are 3 or 4 years younger than I am and one that is 2 or 3 years older. I read about some Will Oldham tribute record on pitchfork and jokingly told my band we should do a song. They all looked at me with complete blank faces. These are all people who know a thing or two about indie rock, or any rock for that matter, and I was very surprised. Maybe it was a very specific time that Palace was huge?
― scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― stijn, Monday, 5 April 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)
and the quacking noise on 'i send my love to you' is perhaps the single greatest recorded moment of this decade, besides perhaps the entirity of the new version of 'new partner'. or where bush started goin on about pakis.
― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 April 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Erickson, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)
what is this "tour ep"? "????"?
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)
gygax: there's a new tour ep, it's a split with Brightblack and they all do covers. Haven't heard it but may slsk it later if i remember to
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)
just search for superwolf.
its on slsk now
― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)
So he's got a new album out. Anyone heard it?
― circa1916, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:53 (seventeen years ago)
Yes.
― wilter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:53 (seventeen years ago)
Quite a few countryish songs. I've only listened a couple of times, I like it so far!
― wilter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)
http://dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc367.jpg
― wilter, Thursday, 22 May 2008 01:06 (seventeen years ago)
How's the schmaltz factor?
― badg, Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:18 (seventeen years ago)
Judging by the clips on iTunes, the schmaltz is at about level ten. BPB schmaltz is schmaltz I can enjoy though. Think I'll pick this up.
― circa1916, Thursday, 22 May 2008 05:09 (seventeen years ago)
I just want him to do R Kelly covers all the time now though.
― krakow, Thursday, 22 May 2008 06:49 (seventeen years ago)
BPB schmaltz is schmaltz I can enjoy
nicely put - that's exactly how I feel about him. cf the pathos in Tom Waits records you would never call tacky or overly sentimental
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 23 May 2008 10:03 (seventeen years ago)
Anyone heard anything off the new album BEWARE that is coming out in March?
― ☞*☜ (friendly ghost), Friday, 14 November 2008 19:14 (seventeen years ago)
haven't heard anything, but here's the art and tracklist:
Beware
― enasinben, Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:04 (seventeen years ago)
sweet i'm stoked
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:09 (seventeen years ago)
this is probably linked on some oldham thread or other, but in case not, he got the new yorker profile treatment from k.sanneh.
― tipsy mothra, Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:21 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/05/090105fa_fact_sanneh
This was a pretty good piece. I'm kind of hesitant and tempted to get excited at the same time by his "THIS MAH GOOD ALBUM!" advance talk. I haven't been thrilled by anything he's done in a while.
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:22 (seventeen years ago)
whoops xpost
i must be weird cuz i think he's had a hot hand in the 00s personally
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:27 (seventeen years ago)
I haven't even really bothered to process the last one tho I enjoyed it when I had it on.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:29 (seventeen years ago)
He's been quietly making his best work for the last 4 or 5 years.
― Birth Control to Ginger Tom (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:29 (seventeen years ago)
In any event Superwolf still rules.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Saturday, 10 January 2009 00:42 (seventeen years ago)
― Birth Control to Ginger Tom (Noodle Vague), Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
It's weird to go back and listen to Arise Therefore or Viva Last Blues and hear how much this is true.
― Owen Pallett, Saturday, 10 January 2009 02:22 (seventeen years ago)
"Beware" is actually pretty great. Two winners in a row from Oldham is something.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 January 2009 02:34 (seventeen years ago)
My favorite Oldham album, by a mile, is for some reason the covers album he did with Tortoise in 2004 or 05, totally killer. I couldn't care much about the rest of his stuff, unfortunately.
― ilxor, Saturday, 10 January 2009 06:09 (seventeen years ago)
yeah i love the tortoise record, i fucking LOVE superwolf which is his best album ever IMO, "letting go" i thought was okay but sort of didn't really click...was "master and everyone" this decade? that's a beautiful record....the covers EP where he did R Kelly was great...and don't forget Summer in the Southwest that thing fucking RAGES super hard....
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 10 January 2009 23:53 (seventeen years ago)
also not to accuse you of anything hurting but have you listened to all that stuff i just posted?
cuz invariably whenever someone says "lol will oldham is washed up since the 90s" and i call them on stuff they've not actually listened to anything he's done.
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 10 January 2009 23:54 (seventeen years ago)
Posted... where? I do really want to hear this. I have heard plenty of his post-90s stuff. I have Ease Down the Road, Master and Everyone, Superwolf and the Tortoise collabo, all of which I think have good moments but are extremely uneven. Master and Everyone is probably my least favorite out of those. I didn't much like what I heard of The Letting Go and Greatest Palace Music. Haven't heard his other recent stuff -- (according to Wikipedia there's more than I thought).
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Sunday, 11 January 2009 22:14 (seventeen years ago)
i agree that he seems to get better and better. not uniformly of course, some of the early stuff is as good as anything and there are some lazy tracks on recent albums (and i'm not a huge fan of the stunt that was the faux greatest-hits album), but some of his records from about 2003 i think are his best.
i haven't been keeping up with the tour-only, etc. live records he seems to be releasing every year or every other year.
― amateurist, Sunday, 11 January 2009 22:28 (seventeen years ago)
I'm not sure he's ever bettered I See a Darkness and Ease Down the Road... Letting Go is my favourite of his recent ones... A great record (I think) is also Get on Jolly. Gosh, don't people have different opinions about music sometimes!
― Wax Cat, Sunday, 11 January 2009 22:58 (seventeen years ago)
They sure do :) To me, 'Master and Everyone' is the one in which all Bonnie greatness came together, it's a gem. Vey hard to top that one. The Letting Go somehow didn't hit home, though Lie Down in the Light to me is some sort of return to form. On all acounts, looking forward to Beware very much.And I enjoyed reading that New Yorker piece, thanks for the nod!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 11 January 2009 23:50 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.dragcity.com/video/BPB_IAG.mov
― Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 06:46 (seventeen years ago)
Could almost be a song from Nashville.