J-Kwon "Tipsy"

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i've only heard a whisper of it spoken on ILM, but i'm totally digging it. super derivative ('grindin', some Timbo keyboard lines, vocals that reference 50, etc) but still damn fun.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

this song sounds so great in my car that I almost cried

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

great production, ashame about the mc.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Everybody = eeurrrbahdee. I love it.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What a massive STOMP!

― Steev (Steev), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Its aite. Not classic. I wouldn't say its a dud either though.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I love it.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

possibly the only thing i, my prog loving best friend, and ryan fucking pitchfork will ever agree on.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the three of you guys should listen to "The Mexican" by Babe Ruth, prog rock for beatheads

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i only said that because it was on some grandmaster flash comp, but now i'm listening to again, and i really like it, but it sounds sorta like Heart, so scratch that last post

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah "the mexican" is good. typically, though, i like the jellybean benitez mix better.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

J-KWON IS SO WEIRD LOOKING!

What i like best about is the blatant encouragement of underage drinking in the video.

― joshd, Friday, 27 February 2004 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a serious piece of crap, but kind of admirable in how shamelessly derivative it is. that ticking bit at the end of every few measures is completely ripped off of Just Blaze's "Roc The Mic" beat.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I am so happy to know so little about modern hip-hop mechanics that I can just enjoy this song without worrying about who stole what from whom. I used to know a lot of stuff like this, back in the late '80s and early '90s, and I used to get mad when something seemed overly derivative, but I don't think like that now. "Tipsy" is a great party song.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I stll think Miccio's interpretation of the chorus being something about Irv Gotti getting tits is OTM.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 February 2004 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate this song so much. I only sort of like the beat and the rapper guy sounds really awkward. IMO, just another asshole in line with Baby Bash and Eamon with some hollow single with derivative music and subject matter.

Drums from 'Grindin': Free, if you change a couple sounds

Faux Jay Dee synth line: Free

Helping Jermaine Dupri stay on TV: Priceless

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

oh my god
becky look at her butt

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno why you guys are so down on Baby Bash, the production on that song was great.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 February 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I like "Suga Suga," I've always been on record with that. Bash isn't gonna burn any buildings down with his rapping, but there are three or four different songs on Tha Smokin' Nephew that are easily huge potential hits like that. Oh yeah that's right he's pedestrian and uncool, okay never mind, um, I like [insert someone cleverer here] instead.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

kanye west

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

zing!

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks for the assist s.h., I was almost uncool for a second

"almost"

"for a second"

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"assist"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"thanks"

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

god i'm tired this morning

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear ya babe.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it seems to me like a pop rap version of "grindin" is the best idea anyone's had in like two years

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

and MCs who are not picky about how they pronounce things is up there in the top five, along with cancelling "Frazier," the Rasheed Wallace trade, and pie-ing Ralph Nader.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

select Baby Bash quotes:
"if you talk that talk betta walk that walk / don't let this pretty face fool ya / cause I'm a savage / like a Dallas Maverick / got nephews that'll do ya"
"pimpin' at high velocity / y'all squares betta back up off a me / cause we gonna do what the hell we do / Baby Bash the ghetto Socrates"
"let your thong slide to the side / chica open wide / and let us do tha thang / baby girl you know that's right"

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 27 February 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say that it's to J-Kwon's credit that he isn't shamelessly milking the herre/thurr thing.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I stll think Miccio's interpretation of the chorus being something about Irv Gotti getting tits is OTM.
Glad to hear I'm not the only person whose shocked this wasn't a Murder Inc track.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i havent been able to listen to it the same since

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 February 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Most boring song ever.

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a little uncomfortable that Pitchfork's top hip hop critic refers to J-Kwon as a "rapper guy"

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i hope everyone got jeremy's ref there!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

[meanwhile 12 hours later...]

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

me and my whole posse got it. you know where we roll.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

am listening to Hood Hop. first four songs (minus intro) = AMAZING production and really lousy vox/lyrics. "Tipsy" is a minor exception except they replace "club" w/"bitch" which = far less fun and far more sour and boring. the production is truly great though.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Eboni Eyes, who guests, steals "Show Your Ass" without even trying, it's almost embarrassing for J-Kwon

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Who actually produced this thing (I presume it's not actually the Neptunes)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

the Trackboyz, who also did Nelly's "Air Force Ones" (not to be confused with the Track Stars, who produced Chingy's album).

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

hat ticking bit at the end of every few measures is completely ripped off of Just Blaze's "Roc The Mic" beat.

thanks al, this was driving me nuts. i knew i'd heard that exact effect but couldn't place it. the "grindin'" drums were distracting me. the swipes are totally shameless- i don't think there's really an original idea here at all- but it still sounds good. combining the ascending keyboard line with the boom-buh-boom beat gives the ear something to hop along like rocks in a river.

good thing too since j-kwon himself is strictly average. matos is correct in that the censored radio vers is less icky than the album- although "e'erbody in this bitch gettin' tipsy" is obviously the ilx friday nite anthem.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i imagine this sounds utterly fantastic at earsplitting volume on a good club system.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Jermaine Dupri is amazing, he's like the Zelig of hip-hop. Whatever was hot the year before, he stands next to it and becomes it.

And yeah that's exactly what Just Blaze said on my site, the beat is Grindin plus those bits from his roc the mic beat. Actually, until I read his post I was assuming it *was* a neptunes beat.

― Jay Smooth (jsmooth995), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah "the mexican" is good. typically, though, i like the jellybean benitez mix better.

OMG I'm totally going to use this as a pick-up line.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

the beat is okay, but if i see him again i probably will stop liking that too. He looks like an ardvark! so as long as i can see the song without the face , tipsy is okay!

― silvohm clinton, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Tipsy" sounded amazing when I had to drive around Miami two weekends ago (don't ask) and it came on the radio about 8 times.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Dizzee doing freestyle over the instrumental version = heaven

(I know, predictable, but it really was)

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

this beat is pretty awesome, the rapping is so so but all i hear is the production

― hector (hector), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Frankly I can't understand how people can shit on Kanye's production and then turn around and talk about how great this derivitive piece of meh is.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

they like to dance?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

If you can't dance to "New Workout Plan"....
(And its a much better song)

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

...then you prefer hip-hop to house beats, or get thrown by kanye's offbeat rapping.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

honestly that track is nice but its got way too many bridges and too much of a stuttering bass when it does to work well as a crowd mover.

i mean i guess you could like foxtrot to it?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Eh I suppose, but you could dance to that horrible Chingy single too...doesn't mean I'd want to or enjoy it.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, to a certain extent I could see enjoying "Tipsy" much more on the dancefloor, sorta like how "Get Low" clicked for me because I first heard a DJ drop it at a dance party. But where I listen to "Get Low" in a variety of listening scenarios now, "Tipsy" just bores me.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Kanye more than Just Blaze, but boy does Blaze need to teach Kanye a thing or two about drum programming.
See: Young Gunz - "Friday Night"

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Djdee I think it's pretty obvious that the difference between "Tipsy" and say "New Workout Plan" is more stylistic than qualitative-within-a-style. If you were comparing "Tipsy" and "Stand Up" the contrast would have more meaning, and I'd side with Kanye in that contest (although "Tipsy" *is* pretty great).

But yeah, I think the very fact that Kanye has made some great bangers (see also "B R Right") suggests that the lack of bangerishness of a lot of his other stuff is quite deliberate. Which is fine and all, but if you want a banger then you don't go to College Dropout really.

(I have been guilty of assuming that bangers are automatically better than non-bangers; it's a bad habit I'm trying to get rid of)

Re: Chingy - you may need to be more specific here. If you don't *enjoy* dancing to a particular hip hop track then maybe it doesn't work too well as dancefloor material. If you enjoy dancing to it but find the act of enjoying dancing somehow unenjoyable then I'd say the situation (with regards to the track or maybe your head or body) is more complex than "this is crap".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 April 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the "Tipsy" remix is pretty weird...the hook is chopped up so it just goes URRBODY URRBODY URRBODY URRBODY

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 2 April 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

so Just Blaze did Tipsy?

almost seems techno

Again the beat is killer but the voice is definatly eh.

I think Jesus Walks is a pretty good banger, would be interested to see how it did on the dancefloor.

― hector (hector), Friday, 2 April 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

no, "Tipsy" = Trackboyz, as I said upthread.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 2 April 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

who's on the remix?

― William Wiggins, Friday, 2 April 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Chingy and Murphy Lee

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 2 April 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Relevant and nicely-done article in the freakin' New Yorker, of all places, this week.

― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Friday, 2 April 2004 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

If you enjoy dancing to it but find the act of enjoying dancing somehow unenjoyable then I'd say the situation (with regards to the track or maybe your head or body) is more complex than "this is crap".

I certainly don't think that enjoying dancing is unenjoyable! I think that Chingy's had some good dance grooves on songs that are OTHERWISE enjoyable - i.e. his rapping sucks, the beats are boring or even aggravating, or there is nothing redeeming to the songs other than that they can get me to tap my foot/nod my head/grind with some chick at the club.

I think there are danceable songs that I don't enjoy, is what I'm saying. Tipsy is one of them.

― djdee2005, Friday, 2 April 2004 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"OTHERWISE unenjoyable" I mean.

― djdee2005, Friday, 2 April 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Something having a danceable groove does not make it automatically good.

― djdee2005, Friday, 2 April 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

By "rapping sucks" I mean the broadest possible definition - his rapping is unengaging on any level.

― djdee2005, Friday, 2 April 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well some of your observation about the track may be ok but what's the deal about complaining this rapper does this and that rapper doesnt. You sorta "I heard that he said that that track was like ...". That preety sounds like girltalk. You gyus betta get to hear tipsy and stop babbling bout it like old grandmas. Don't mean no harm right thurr this's just MY observation.
Peace

― Not your busyness, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/sclover.php

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

sterling did you see that thing in the st. louis post-intelligencer (or what that paper's named) mocking the new yorker for writing about st. louis' hip-hop scene?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

no! post link pls.

(nb i wrote that piece b4 this thread even started or i read anything else on the track. nice to see ppl mainly getting the same things out of it tho)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i went and found it after he mentioned it.

RIMSHOT: Life in the Hustings

― ww, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice piece, Sterling

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i love how that stltoday.com article ends in "yo", yo.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

WIKIPEDIA SEZ:

J-Kwon has made a song called "Blockstar", and will likely be the first single. It features Joel Madden from the pop-punk band Good Charlotte.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

weird thread

deej off point consistently

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

btw who produced this - the neptunes? just blaze?

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

brought to you by the producers of nelly's "air force ones"

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

Trackboyz!

I thought I read something about them jacking it from a Clipse track, though.

― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

well i certainly wouldn't spend any time defending 'workout plan' any more ... i went from "A+!" to "F---" in record time on that one

― deej, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

"When The Last Time" always sounded really similar, and I think they said something about them setting it to same beat without actually using the original beat or something. SCIENCE.

― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

so this is a timbaland beat? i love his new style

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

IT'S BY IRV GOTTI DUH IT'S IN THE CHORUS

― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

"Hood Hop" >>>> every other Trackboyz beat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tipsy"

Dom with the pointless thread revive, don't you remember that your boy The Game was doing songs w/ the Maddens like 2 years ago?

I still say this song isn't really that similiar to "Grindin'". Neptunes didn't invent loud drum sounds, and "Tipsy" has the loud drums on the snare and kick, where the loud drums are completely apart from the snare and kick on "Grindin'." weirdest gem from Tipsypedia:

It has been rumored that OK Go's "Get Over it" was sampled for the chorus.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

NERD worked with Maddens before that!

― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

also J-Kwon's collaboration with Andy Milonakis is way more eyebrow-raising the one w/ Good Charlotte (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

His musical background came from viewing and observing hip-hop music videos. He engaged in freestyle rap battles. J-Kwon's path to fame included mooning Arista head L.A. Reid and mocking producer Jermaine Dupri. These events helped gain the MC a contract with the latter's So So Def, a subsidiary of the former's employer.

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Tipsy uses that same bass drum phrase at the end of the bar (e of 4, a of 4, 1)a lot, the one that the Neptunes pretty much owned after Grindin'. The tempos are really similar too.

Tipsy still sounds great btw.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

JD be on some Lou Pearlman shit fo sho (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

Looking back at those days, 'NSYNC star Justin Timberlake said during a September 2006 interview with Rolling Stone: "I was being monetarily raped by a Svengali"

An October 2, 2007 report in the New York Post, drawn from allegations published in the upcoming issue of Vanity Fair, claims that Pearlman was a pedophile who preyed on the young men whom he promoted. An early member of the Backstreet Boys claims that Pearlman was inappropriate with Nick Carter. Jane Carter, Nick's mother, stated that, "Certain things happened and it almost destroyed our family. I tried to warn everyone. I tried to warn all the mothers . . . I tried to expose him for what he was years ago." Tim Christofore of Take 5 remembers at age 13 Pearlman diving into his bed and wrestling with him naked. Rich Cronin, lead singer of LFO, recalled Pearlman told him of an ancient massage technique that would strengthen his aura if they bonded in a certain way.

An anonymous source, cited as a music manager who worked with Pearlman in the past, was quoted in the Boston Herald, “He would tell the guys that he had investors who ‘could really help your band,’ He would tell the kids, ‘Listen, these guys will expect something in return . . . so I am going to let you practice on me so you will feel comfy when it happens.”

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

how the fuck did i miss this AND the ponzi scheme

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

i still cant tell the diff between him & karl rove

― and what, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

i <3 tipsy

― pipecock, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

He would tell the kids, ‘Listen, these guys will expect something in return . . . so I am going to let you practice on me so you will feel comfy when it happens.”

ROFL.

Anyway, this song is a total dud. Never liked it.

― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

ilm rap fans made me hate rap

― jaxon, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

actually, i take that back. ilm made me hate music

― jaxon, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

:-(

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

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