Which ILM'er do you have the strongest philisophical differences with, music-taste-wise?

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Geir Hongro and Phil Freeman, in equal measure

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony Miccio, easy.

― Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I genuinely like everyone here. No one has crossed any unforgivable musical lines.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 28 February 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Miccio and Hongro's tastes (well I have some measure of them), what would you define as Freeman's taste.

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

He likes metal and hates crunk.

The bastard.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I have philisophical differences with pretty much everyone. And some similarities.

― dleone (dleone), Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I see, said the blind man. And that would put him a fair distance away from my musical tastes as well (although a metal crunk hybrid would do something for me).

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

messrs. miccio and broheems. much more so mr. miccio. though i do enjoy reading their comments.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos, $$, Hulkington, Ristle

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 28 February 2004 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

'philosophical'

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony Miccio!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 28 February 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the lot of you.

― jimmy the doomed saint, Saturday, 28 February 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'm pretty much on the far side of the room spitting at Matos and Hulkington (though we did both like the Bug's Pressure).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 February 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

eddy and miccio, if I understand the question.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

He likes metal and hates crunk.
The bastard.
-- @d@ml (nordicskilla@hotmail.com), February 28th, 2004.

But... but... they're the same thing!

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

c-man

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably Alex in NYC, but he's still a lovely guy.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 28 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

my answer would be doomie, if i thought he was a real person.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 February 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir H., Phil F., George G. and possibly Ethan P.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 28 February 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan prolly. Matos if I had a clue what his was.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, if only he had some sort of venue where his views on music were regularly published

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 28 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

and maybe I'd pick Geir if I didn't get the feeling that Neil Finn actually is slept on as a winning songwriter.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

probably the person on the indie guilt thread who stopped listening to indie when they found at some girl they met liked will oldham.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 28 February 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

how does that even make sense?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 February 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

haha gygax that was me!

it was all about being this depressive teenager and this was like my secret special music and i tried to play it for other people and they were like "what is that CRAP!?" and i was like "you just don't get it man" and it spoke only to me.

then i met this shallow irritating moz fan who was all about palace and it was just like "oh, i guess there's nothing so special about this music after all." it wasn't some instantaneous revelation or anything. but yr right, we probably do have the least in common.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 28 February 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone here says stupid shit at one point or another, but I'm with Roger, even though our tastes are often different. Doesn't matter.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 28 February 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the thing I like about ILX is that you can ususally find someone intelligent, egotistical, passionate and knowledgeable enough to disagree with you on any given subject if you particularly want.

Witness a very interesting disagreement I've just had with looselippedstevie via e-mail.

― Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Sunday, 29 February 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling OTM, I think.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 29 February 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

frank kogan, chuck eddy, the lex

― gershy, Friday, 9 March 2007 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really get people who have really strong negative opinions of certain artists. Even for things I don't understand, I figure somebody likes it for their own good reasons. This often eventually leads to actual enjoyment for things I never thought I'd like.

There are also people with whom I feel an affinity despite them having very different musical tastes. I guess it's a similar approach or tone in their writing about music.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 9 March 2007 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, Geir.

― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really care about people's tastes, as long as they write intelligently, interestingly or intriguingly about why they like it. Taste seems fairly fluid anyway. I change my mind about songs every couple days, anyhow.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

Difference being that I don't dislike Lex because of his rampant arbitrary kneejerk fascism.

― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone who posts on a thread about a band/artist/genre they hate, just to let everybody know they hate it/them/his/her. I mean, what's the point?

― StanM, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

(him, obv)

― StanM, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

intelligently, interestingly or intriguingly

ahhh yes, the three is

― Drooone, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think for me it must be the Lex again.

Anyone who posts on a thread about a band/artist/genre they hate, just to let everybody know they hate it/them/his/her. I mean, what's the point?

It's not immediately apparent but I have been guilty of this. Half the time it's because I am interested in the band/genre but need more exposure or I don't get it. It would be a bit annoying if every Classic/Dud thread had only people going "Classic" "classic" etc.

― the next grozart, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really get people who have really strong negative opinions of certain artists. Even for things I don't understand, I figure somebody likes it for their own good reasons. This often eventually leads to actual enjoyment for things I never thought I'd like.

A Big Hippie ;-)

seriously though, people who don't have strong negative (as well as strong positive) opinions about stuff... what's up with that??? *pokes them with stick*

― fandango, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

i can think of loads now. this is not a good sign (because it's not as if people ever get their minds changed on ILM ha)

― blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

i love the way that all of the people naming me, probably like a lot of music that i do

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

(for myself, i dunno, one of the lamers who likes indie probably, i don't know their names)

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really get people who have really strong negative opinions of certain artists.

On the contrary, I can't understand how people can be passionate about music and artists they like without having equally intense feelings of dislike. Two sides of the coin and all...

― Siegbran, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

Only thing I think I disagreed you about, Lex, was the Paris thing. Otherwise I might be underexposed, but I don't think you've written anything that struck me as particularly controversial.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, fandango beat me to it.

― Siegbran, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

lamers who like indie (the kills, yeah yeah yeahs)

THE LEX

― fandango, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Lex we're talking about 'philosophical differences' - I like LOADS of the same music you do and I still think there's a pretty big gulf on those terms!

I don't read ILM regularly enough to have a handle on answering this, though.

― Groke, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

He doesn't post terribly often; but when he does, I find myself almost always vehemently
disagreeing with dburr (AKA burr). He appears to be one of those soul-is-everything
individuals, whereas I have a substantial form-over-content streak in me. Which means he
loves C&W (which I don't) and despises prog-anything, free jazz, and self-conscious cerebral
experimentation in all its forms...all of which I quite like. (As long as they're done well, of course.)

Geir, I'd say I disagree with, say, 71% of the time. I, too, place a high value on melody.
But whereas my opinion is the inclusive "Anything and everything with a nice melody - or
great beats or excellent lyrics or etc. - has at least some value", we all know that
Geir would say "Anything without melody is of no value whatsoever, and nothing else
matters."

Alex in NYC is a wild card: I (dis)agree with him 50%. Almost no middle ground - I either
love, or despise all his favourites that I'm familiar with. Quite often, our opposing
aesthetics can be roughly broken down to "1970s vs '80s". Obviously it's a generation-gap kind of thing: He was apparently born a full 8 days after me!

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Groke needs to come to the FAP tonight and settle his differences with the Lex LIKE A MAN.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

I am coming to the FAP tonight, but I see Lex quite regularly anyway, and settle my differences by ludicrous attempts to get him to dance to indie.

― Groke, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

has lex been on ft lollards yet?

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

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Alex In NYC, Geir, etc.

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 9 March 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

seriously though, people who don't have strong negative (as well as strong positive) opinions about stuff... what's up with that??? *pokes them with stick*

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On the contrary, I can't understand how people can be passionate about music and artists they like without having equally intense feelings of dislike. Two sides of the coin and all...

I tend to think that strong personal negative reactions are more about me (my hangups, class, race, gender, personal history etc) than about music or music criticism in general. That's also true about what I'm strongly positive about, but enjoyment tends to cloud analysis.

One thing ILM has made very clear is how people from different "places" judge the same music. When I was enjoying certain brit-pop records in the mid 90s, I really had no idea about the political/historical baggage that seems to diminish enjoyment for some people then and now. Does that mean that I hear those songs more clearly? I'm not sure. Obviously my enjoyment is mediated by my experience, and also those songs became popular due to that same baggage.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 9 March 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

wtf is my purism????

REAL RAP as liked by REAL RAP fans, of course. : D

― The Reverend, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

dude i listen to like, jedi mind tricks and snap music

― and what, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Jedi Mind Tricks?!? You are slipping.

(Actually, I like what little I've heard of them too, but I haven't heard them since I got out of my corny backpacker stage, so I have no idea what I really think of them. I just wouldn't have taken you for a fan.)

― The Reverend, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

i love how alex in nyc hasn't even posted much for like 2 years and still gets people hyped!

i miss him.

alex seemed like a real nice dude, and i probably dug pretty much all the music he liked, even though he was a little myopic.

geir i used to get my panties in a bunch abt yr posts but now i think it's kinda loveable how incredibly bizarre your view of music is.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

ehtan likes fucking idm so i dont know how pure his taste is (unless that was 100% a gag, but i dont think so)

― artdamages, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

for real tho

when mark p told me he just moved in with [CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT] i knew more about dudes catalog than his canadian idm nerd ass did

― and what, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

m@tt is the only one holding down any kind of authentic midwest workmanlike (as trent tucker would say)/touch and go/golden age philosophy on ilm. WHO IS REPPIN FLYOVER COUNTRY?

― artdamages, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

haha i like midwest workmanlike shit for real....rip silkworm : (

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Man I don't like jedi mind tricks at all

we do have louis logic, though.

Didn't you refuse to listen to Vakill because he bit that Young Buck beat?

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

talking to ethan obv

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ethan's def. no hip hop purist. The old mixtapes he'd post were chock with sixties pop, krautrock, Elephant 6 bands, dodgy IDM stuff, etc.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

i prefer tweer, pastoral wimp indie to workmanlike muscular albini-approved musics, I don't follow exactly who opposes this the most vehemently but there you go.

― tremendoid, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

e6 shit was only cuz of crew love/local respects, still some of that is decent on like a free design/beach boys steez

everything else listed there is still dope

vakill is cool i never said i 'refused to listen him' by pointing out the beatbiting

― and what, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

hah well at the time we were talking about it you said something about having to turn it off.

I'm not trying to prove yr purism or anything btw

isn't noz into IDM shit too?

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

"musical taste as philosophy," sweeeeet Jesus!

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

he put matmos on his pnj ballot!!

np: cluster - zuckerzeit

(im at work)

― and what, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno why you wouldnt like shit like plaid or selected ambient works if youre into mantronix & newcleus & shit

― and what, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

IDM POGROMS

― strongohulkington, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ethan, I wasn't trying to imply that that's the only thing you listen to, just that you tend to be a bit of a stickler when other (less knowledgable) people are infringing on that territory.

― The Reverend, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

i love selected ambient works! i dont really listen to much idm other than that warp comp everybody likes though - aside from the idm influence on dance. This isn't a diss, I think its interesting

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

er, aside from danceier recent house influenced by idm, that is

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Like Board of Canada, stuff like that I never really got into.

― deej, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

IDM stuff I likes:

Black Dog/Plaid, Autechre (in small doses), Aphex, BoC, Matmos, the Funkstorung remix album, actually plenty of IDM remixes of other stuff ("Tried By 12" Squarepusher remix, various glitched up Bjork tings, etc)

IDM stuff I don't care about:

The rest of it.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

NOBODY BETTER BE HATIN' ON MY PHILOSOPHICAL MUSIK TASTE!

I'M WATCHING THIS THREAD!

― scott seward, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

It got easier once I realized you're all figments of my imagination.

― M.V., Saturday, 10 March 2007 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

i prefer tweer, pastoral wimp indie to workmanlike muscular albini-approved musics, I don't follow exactly who opposes this the most vehemently but there you go.

oh no, don't make me choose! i guess i tend to generally side w/you there, but touch and go/albini/amrep is kinda a midwest thing that no one on ILM seems to get.

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

lovebug otm, as always

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 10 March 2007 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

''but touch and go/albini/amrep is kinda a midwest thing that no one on ILM seems to get.''

what the hell are you talking about?

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

i stand by everything i have ever said in my life

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

so the many t&g/albini/amrep fans on ilm (and there are many) don't get what, exactly?

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i meant to say it didnt seem like there were that many, but maybe they hang out in threads i miss or something. if they like that music obv they 'get it'

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

cmon lets all listen to some die kreuzen and drink a schlitz

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

there are threads filled with fists of love. check some out. i grew up on that shit. and i identified with the emotions contained therein even though i'm from connecticut. running from the cops, taking too much acid, and partying in the woods is universal.

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

although amrep came a little later in my development.

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't mean to touch a nerve. the heavy sounds of angry men belong to world. im sure i've read some of those threads at some point, but i guess all the drugs have fried my brain. i have a helios creed tape i like to listen to in the car.

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

you didn't touch a nerve, i just wanted to make sure and tell you how wrong you were. hahahaha!

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

i think i have a point to make somewhere, but i won't try to make it. if you think where those bands and labels came from are irrelevant thats cool. were all in this together man.

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

i never said that. having said that, i have no idea where a lot of bands come from. other than country of origin.

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

Having said THAT, i will let my past words speak for me:

between michigan and ohio, sometimes i wonder why i even bother with music from all those other loser states.

scott seward on Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:39 AM (1 week ago)

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

art I recently bought a die kreuzen 7" -- which makes you wronger than wrong! I "don't get it" much more than I "don't like it", honestly, so I think you have a point.

― tremendoid, Saturday, 10 March 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

my ilm opposite is probably some tweeist

maybe dom p., who apparently likes and hates bands based on what type of english accent they have

― abanana, Saturday, 10 March 2007 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

whatever i am going to do the dishes and listen to rare squirrel bait demos

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

you should listen to Blatant Dissent instead

― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 10 March 2007 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

hmm i'll try it, but i dont have time for squirrel bait haters. music-taste-wise they have strong differences, philosophically.

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

also on the docket: s/t meat puppets

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

i have always loved squirrel bait. even if they aren't from the mid-west. and even if they did inadvertently invent grunge.

― scott seward, Saturday, 10 March 2007 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

louisville is like the midwest of the south

― m coleman, Saturday, 10 March 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

"What I stand for is what I stand on."

― artdamages, Saturday, 10 March 2007 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

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