You got reggaeton in my salsa

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It sounded pretty good actually. It's like pineapple or peach salsa. I wouldn't want to eat it all the time, but it's a nice change of pace.

Also makes me once again realize the futility of judging music intended for club settings when you haven't actually experienced it in those settings. I think that's a legitimate point to make in defending a genre. I need to get out more (not to hear stuff I don't like, but just to remind myswelf that being in a club puts a different spin on things--and also because I just need to get out more).

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At the same time, dancing to salsa gives me a sense of joy that I don't think other more popular dance musics could give me, but I guess that's just a personal thing. It's just that the feelings are so intense that it seems objective or something. I tease myself with the idea that if I could just push a little further I would be enlightened, but I don't even necessarily believe in enlightenment. (Somehow that seems irrelevant though.)

The only "new" trend I hear in the newer salsa that was played tonight is more studio stuff, more remixing. I can live with that as long as it works with the rhythms of the music. Some of it is so-so, overly bombastic stuff along the lines of Sergio George's Victor Manuelle production (but even more bombastic possibly). I heard something that must be from the new collection of El Gran Combo songs remixed and it was good. And I liked the salsa with reggaeton songs. Even the straight reggaeton sounded pretty good. It's not the same, I'm never going to have the same deep love for it, but it sounds okay.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.dominik-hartmann.de/nuetzliches/cocktails/caipirinha.gif

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

They played a Latin hiphop version of "Sexual Healing" too. Not recommended.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 28 February 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, what's the drink?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I always forget the name, let alone how to say it: caipirinha. It's Brazilian. It has cane sugar, lime, and some sort of liquor in it. Has a pretty good kick. As usual, I wasn't drinking at all, but late in the night I danced with a partner who was obviously quite drunk, and I felt too sober, so I had a couple drinks.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 28 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

DON'T DRINK THE REGGAETON.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 28 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It is like uncovering the peak of an iceberg while riding the musical incursion ferry boat. All seems strangely e(x/r)otic and alluring in this alien way you can't quite understand, hence its appeal. Then *MOTHERFUCKIN' BAM!*, you're buried 20,000 leagues UNDER the sea floor. I'd say about a good 98% of the genre is godawful misogynistic chaff like I've stated a million times before. Why do I feel the need to restate, you might ask, if I'm listening to the mighty Siembra? 'Cuz my neighbors from hell are blastin' the crap overshadowing all good that was left of this lame excuse for a Sunday morning. END RANT

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 29 February 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You are welcome to rant and re-rant on my threads, since I'm interested, and no one was apparently wants to. As I've said before, if I could understand the words, maybe I couldn't stand it. I would think that what little reggaeton makes its way into the salsa-oriented Latin night I go to would probably not be the most offensive stuff, but I can't know for sure.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't drink the reggaeton and,Francis, never eat the brownies. Feeling high for 2 straight days feels like shit after a while. Yep, i'm going stone-free for at least the rest of the semester.

Cacaman Flores, Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I, I live among the creatures of the night
I haven't got the will to try to fight
against a new tomorrow
so I guess I'll just believe it
that tomorrow never comes.

(You have to understand that this feels like the first real spring day this year in Philadelphia.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got the new Tego Calderon record, El Enemy de los Guasbiri. What is a "guasbiri"?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought I read somewhere that it means "enemy" but maybe someone who knows can answer.

What do you think of it? Is there much variety on it (if not rhythmically, than at least in terms of samples and whatever snippets of sound drift through it)?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, of course, RS, that we have the disagreements on things. having said that: there isn't any real Variety with a Capital V here, mostly reggaeton/cumbia with his big lazy raps on it, no identifiable samples for "ow wow" value. but the variety with a small v is pretty cool, little things floating around, tracks changing in the middle, some of the vibes are pretty sexy. this is after exactly one listen, though, on headphones at the grocery store. I'll listen to it this afternoon while making stuffed eggplant and orzo and get bck to you.

seriously: "The Enemy of the Enemy"?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I thought it meant, but the fact that I can't remember where I got that idea makes me wonder if I just imagined it.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I pronounce "guasbiri" as "waspery"!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha. That might include me then.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHA! Nice, Serj.

Guasíbiri = he who talks "guasa, guasa" or what Mexicans refer to as "baboso" = someone who likes to talk a lot o' shit

Tego's appeal is in his lazy flow and lyrics, in which he mostly employs a more varied slang vocabulary that is a throwback to the salsa era (he's brought it back into vogue single-handedly) and a broader set of themes, instantly making him more accesible to a wider audience. Personally, I find him to be occasionally brilliant, albeit limited in his scope, which is as high as a compliment as I can give him, seeing as he's probably the best and one of the maybe three reggaeton "artists" worth a shit, quite frankly.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

So yeah, Tego is very old-school in his lyrical approach, gimme a job at AMG...yak yak wank

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So what is this stuff, then? I downloaded a couple of totally random tracks after putting the word into slsk and I'm enjoying them. It reminds me of Brazilian 'baile funk' - are they related?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 1 March 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom: same impulse, different music. As far as I can tell (Rockist will now ream me out for being wrong, but maybe I'm right, not sure), reggaeton is as influenced by Colombian cumbia and Jamaican reggae and merengue and salsa as it is disco and funk. Whew.

I just listened to this record again, and I really really like it. It's a lot more hip-hop than it is dance, though, RS, so you might not like it. The beats are fairly sprightly for rap, but only half of them would cut the mustard in yr average club. But yeah on what Francis W. says about his flow, which is more like old nasty spicy chunky devil-hot sauce than a lovely waterfall or anything like that. And, if my espanol was better and/or existent, I'd be able to be flummoxed by slang I can't understand because I don't teach PR and Dominican jr. high kids in NYC anymore.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 1 March 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Please offer your inspiration for posting the Laura Branigan lyrics. It made me download 'Self Control' and I'm a happy man.

Aaron A., Monday, 1 March 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in the corner supermarket (so-called, not very super in fact) and that song was playing and I'd never really listened to the lyrics very closely, and it made me laugh. I am still recovering from having stayed out much later on Friday night than I am used to, and that's part of it too. I'm not sure if I like the song or hate it.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

B2D (I hope that's an acceptable name abbreviation), I don't know too much about reggaeton. I consider FW the reggaeton expert here, except he hates most of it, obviously, and has a socio-political slant on it. His main rant about it is about mid-way through: Is anyone here listening to salsa? Other Latin music?.

Anyhow, it started in Puerto Rico and it sounds more like a Spanish language version of dance-hall than anything else. The songs I've heard don't have beats that sound very hiphop to me, though the style of the delivery isn't a pure translation of dancehall style and I think there's some borrowing from hiphop there. But I hear little besides dancehall and hiphop. I keep seeing people who say there is a salsa element, but I haven't heard it yet.

I don't know "baile funk." Isn't that kind of techno-y and not actually like funk per se?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(I thik that Laura Branigan song is a rare case of me liking something ironically. Or maybe it's not even that, maybe I just can't quite make up my mind about it. I seem to remember liking it at the time (especially the "You make me lose. . ." part, and at the same time thinking it was garbage.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tico, you might have missed it, but Chuck Eddy said that someone (did I understand him to say the producer?) told him the "Get Low" merengue remix was really reggaeton, but it sounds and feels more like merengue to me than reggaeton.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Tico, if you haven't heard bachata, try searching for that. (I see some things on slsk. Actually some of this might be a little more traditional than the stuff I'm thinking of which really is cookie-cutterish but I like it in small doses when I am out.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OK!!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 1 March 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I just d/led the Tego Calderon and so far it's fucking fantastic. Thanks for the rec.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cuando Volveras" is a typical example. (See other thread.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

(Tico, incidentally, I've tried finding dozens of different salsa singers on slsk without much luck. I want to suggest some specific songs for you and others. I think maybe I need to check later at night. There are actually some kind of unusual salsa things listed, but they weren't immediately available for download.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's nothing like reggaeton incidentally. Very slow and sweet if not sacharine.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I've tried finding dozens of different salsa singers on slsk without much luck.

Scratch that. I'm finding them now.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"I consider FW the reggaeton expert here, except he hates most of it, obviously, and has a socio-political slant on it. His main rant about it is about mid-way through: Is anyone here listening to salsa? Other Latin music?."

Now if I could only get a stint reviewing reggaeton records for AMG on the side, we could get off to a good start...BWAha...BWAha...BWAHAHAHHAHAHA *evil laughter* BAH...not like they give a rat's ass about 'constructive criticism'. They'll be crying all the way to the bank.

Yo, Matt, baby, there really isn't a Colombian cumbia influence on reggaeton as a genre, even if it is reminiscent of it at times. People here don't listen to cumbia, or funk, for that matter. It's more an evil amalgam of dancehall, salsa, merengue, and hip-hop. The cumbia thing might be Tego experimenting with the production on some of the tracks. His songs are the most inventive in reggaeton when it comes to sonics. That's part of his style. Most reggaeton artists, sans a few notable exceptions, are very rigid in their absolute lack of variety. Truth is, a lot of reggaeton artists rip off riffs and melodies from pop singles that have charted all the time, and they get away with it! Because nobody outside of the island will take notice. What usually makes it to the US is the top echelon of the genre, which is a very insignificant part of it, and what is usually ignored here for being too 'pop' (a/k/a/ slightly palatable).

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tego Calderon is listed as singing on a recent rumba recording!(?) A genu-wine Afro-Cuban rumba recording, as far as I can tell.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 1 March 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I am assuming this is the same Tego Calderon. Actually, this sounds pretty good.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 1 March 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah Francis I hear ya, you're takin' me to escuela como un autobus amarillo. but the first two or three songs on this guasibiri record are completely like some of the stuff on my 15 exitos house comp that I scored for $1, very polka with little salsa squiggles up in the corners, kinda interesting. and I guess I automatically assume that any two-step syncopation in Latin music has SOME familiarity with cumbia (which I have already stated is THE NEW METAL, copyrighted me 2003). but your cultural info is fascinating, I'll take that into consideration.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 1 March 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"you're takin' me to escuela como un autobus amarillo"

I snarfed. :)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

rs, have you heard la pegue by kinito mendez, the song the merengue mix of get low samples?

William Wigginsh, Monday, 1 March 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

No, will look into it.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 1 March 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know where I got that thing about Chuck saying the producer said something. I re-read his post and that's not what he said. I've been imagining a lot of stuff like that lately. Maybe I am going crazy, premature senile dementia or something.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 1 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I found a Trebol Clan (whoever they are) and Tego Calderon collaboration that sounds pretty good.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Trebol Clan by themselves are GODAWFUL though. Don't venture any further! Yr ears and brain will thank ya for it! One of the worst and most annoying groups in reggaeton. No broad generalizations either. Aye speek da truf.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt: I was giving the cumbia issue some thought over lunch today, and as far as I can recall, the only "cumbia" (cumbia-pop, really) song that has ever really crossed over to the local market, to my knowledge, is Selena's "Techno-Cumbia". Take that as you will!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

oh I love that song! is that the one on "dreaming of you"? oh baby.

but what do you hear when you hear that syncopated two-step thing? is it just called "reggaeton" in PR and DR and "cumbia" in colombia and mexico? and, presumably, "polka" up here?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

HA! I love it too, but it's Tex-Mex pop really, so you can see how it's obviously not an influence to these guys, not even subconsciously. The two-step thing is just a beat both have in common, but it's slightly different in reggaeton than it is in cumbia. Cumbia is more organic and is not as pulsating. It drags a bit giving it a more danceable rhythm. 'Perreo', or doggy-style (self-explanatory, innit?), is the only way to dance reggeaton: by bumping and grinding. Cumbia and norteño are closer to polka. Reggaeton is essentially a Spanish take on dancehall.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron A., you know now I've managed to get myself into this Laura Branigan song. I have to admit I like it. I am following your example of following my example. I want to hear her cover of "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow."

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's my thread so I can go as far off topic as I want.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
This new Tito Nieves CD (which is mostly just salsa) is making me want to hear more reggaeton.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago)

It wasn't supposed to be like this.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I like reggaeton, though I know nothing about it. You can buy big CD boxed sets at fleamarkets for like $20. Party in a box.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Reggaeton article:

"an urgent, urban sound that's supplanting increasingly mechanical salsa and merengue."

This is pretty funny. As if salsa could ever become more mechnical than reggaeton, with its programmed beats. I mean, yeah, salsa makes use of an old set of fomrulas, but to complain about it being mechanical in comparison to reggaeton? (I assume that most reggaeton apologists, especially here, wouldn't make this sort of argument.)

RS, Monday, 10 January 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

(Salsa will never die! Never! Never! *Clutches heart and keels over*)

RS, Monday, 10 January 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

The rhythmic pulse of reggaeton is pretty unique right now in the pop music world.

deej., Monday, 10 January 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

"I'm curious what any of you hear in reggaeton that is strikingly different"

I haven't thought of it in terms of it being "different", and therefore liking it because of that.

But an attempt to answer the question:

DJ Nelson/Luny Tunes are running things now, dominating the beat-making like no other Danchehall or Hip Hop producers. So I tend to think of their beats as the reggaeton sound. Very cheezy synth sounds (played in a cheezy earnest fashion too), virtual absence of bass notes, very elaboratly programmed hyper drum breaks, fills and flams.

I wouldn't focus on the rapping necessarily, although, the flows are different than dancehall. But, rather, look at the whole approach with vocals: the singing on the chourus', the orgasmic female responses, the super hyper rapping. It's party music pure and simple.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

What about soca deej?

I think reggaeton would do well to ape "Lose My Breath" - the "elaborately programmed hyper drum breaks, fills and flams" are often my favourite bits.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and practically every reggaeton song is 95 bpms.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

yeah, they're super-easy to mix. you barely have to touch the pitch controls

stelfox, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

Hey Stelfox! loving the blog lately!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

i haven't done anything on it for ages! only got back from nyc yesterday, but it's starting up again possibly tomorrow, 3 or so bits and pieces a week and a mix on the way.

stelfox, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

isn't soca much much faster than reggaeton?

deej., Tuesday, 11 January 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

miniscule amount of soca tracks are at reggaeton tempo.

with so many artists, dj's and producers vying for position, reggaeton is in a phase where it's like crabs in a barrel. it hasn't been long since it blew up, so i kinda doubt you see too much experimenting anytime soon. the fear factor is huge now, but the hip hop industry template is already established.

anyone notice all the reggaeton dj mixtapes? they got party blendz, exclusive remixes, etc. and Hot97 just added a weekly reggaeton show.

i guess if a reggaeton song with unusual tempo or style got HUGE (a la Diwali riddim) it could shake the barrell a little.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

so i kinda doubt you see too much experimenting anytime soon. the fear factor is huge now

Just what we need.

RS, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Reggaeton makes me want to skip around. I get the sense that wouldn't be acceptable (unless I were a reggaeton performer).

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 31 January 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

For the moment I get more of a kick out of the snippets of familiar or familiar-sounding melody--I mean the melodic sense, even though there's often not a lot of melody to begin with, is distinctively Latin a lot of the time.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Is it just me, or do the majority of reggaeton tracks that are biggest in clubs, mixtapes & radio tend to feature more distinctively Latin sounds (bachata-style guitar, salsa-ish piano, real percussion flavor)?

To my ear, most reggaeton songs don't feature Latin sounds as much as - for lack of better description - generic synth strings played in a simple almost classical music style.

Its one of those things that makes me scratch my head in wonder.....uh, hello? More Salsa in my Reggaeton please!

pheNAM (pheNAM), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 05:21 (twenty years ago)

That's a really bad description. But it reminds me of the little bit of Trance music that I've heard. The shit that's played in big rave-style venues and late nights on WKTU(NYC).

pheNAM (pheNAM), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard much reggaeton, so I'm probably just thinking of the club hits. And yeah, in that case I don't understand why they wouldn't flesh out the sound a little more with piano montunos (is that what they are called?) and bachata guitar and merengue accordion squiggles and so forth.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

pheNAM, on Daddy Yankee's "Aqui Esta Tu Caido" there are a couple moments of martial sounding drum(-machine) rolls that sound like they are reinventing some very traditional Iraqi styles of drumming. I doubt that's where they got the idea, but it's probably the closest thing I've ever heard to this particular Iraqi style of rhythm. (I don't have any really good examples on CD where that kind of drum sound is upfront. Maybe on one CD by the singer Farida, but I have a cassette of some old Kazem el-Saher stuff where it's really close sounding.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I've always imagined that the drum programmers on Reggaeton tracks try thinking like a timbale player when they add all those fills. I don't really hear anything out of the ordinary on the D.Y. track - only that there's a pretty cool sounding one bar kick/snare riff that appears a couple times towards the later half of the song.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

It's like a call and response type rolling drum sound thing. (It may be the same thing you are describing.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

It occurs (approximately) at: 2:18-2:20, 2:38-2:40, and 3:08-3:09.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

unrelated to RS's observation (haven't heard the track in question): on disc 2 ("X-tra") of Intocable's new album Diez, featuring remakes of classic Intocable tracks, there is a great reggaeton version of "En Paz Descarse" featuring Tego Calderon, ICE, and DJ Kane (ex-Kumbia King) singing the hook. It's produced by Keith Harter out of San Antonio. Interesting to see Texas-Mexican music jumping on this bandwagon!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 21 February 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

could someone gmail me a good reggaeton mix? please?

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Now there's all this fucking reggaeton (okay I've seen at least two discs, but I have a feeling this is the tip of the iceberg) coming out of Cuba, which I find amusing given the usual Cubanophile claims about Puerto Rico simply ripping off Cuban music. (Of course, you could still argue that reggaeton is ripping off a lot of non-Cuban music.) Another one.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it's just Cuban hip-hop being marketed as reggaeton, because I see they are putting Orishas under reggaeton too (but maybe they are doing reggaeton).

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

The "review" (catalog blurb) is up. That was fast:

Rap from Cuban [sic], and Fres-K is a woman. She raps in favor of women from Guantanamo, and if anybody was wondering what had happened to Eliades Ochoa, he shows up on a track claiming he’s onto a new style, rap. The tracks are pretty good, with new keyboard parts, and some sampling. She’s not a bad rapper, at all…

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Nicki Jam, a Puerto Rican reggaeton artist is performing near DC on St. patricks Day, 3-17. Alas, I can't make it. I'd be curious to see if this stuff is any good live.

Steve-k (Steve K), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

It's reggae, it's rap, and it's muy caliente
THIS PUERTO-RICAN SOUND IS CALLED REGGAETON, AND IT'S CATCHING FIRE IN
THE U.S.
By Nerissa Pacio
Mercury News


Posted on Tue, Mar. 08, 2005
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld­/mercurynews/news/11067673.htm


It's an urban musical mutt. A mix of Spanish rap, dancehall reggae and
Latin rhythms spiked by the rebellious flavor of hip-hop.


And while most of its lyrics are in Spanish, native speakers aren't the
only ones digging the latest craze in Latin pop music: reggaeton.


Already having made inroads in Miami, Orlando and New York -- where
there are large Caribbean and South American immigrant populations --
the emerging genre originally from Puerto Rico recently exploded onto
the Bay Area's mainstream airwaves and Latin and hip-hop nightclubs.


Current chart-topping hits such as ``Oye Mi Canto,'' by the half-black,
half-Latino rapper N.O.R.E. (a.k.a. Noreaga); ``Gasolina'' by Puerto
Rico's Daddy Yankee; and ``Culo,'' by Miami-Cuban MC Pitbull can now be
heard throughout the day not only on Spanish station KEMR-FM ``Viva''
(105.7), but also on mainstream hip-hop's KYLD-FM ``Wild'' (94.9) and
KMEL-FM (106.1).


``It's a movement,'' says Pitbull, a.k.a. Armando Perez, known for his
rowdy ``crunk''-style bilingual hip-hop, splashed with reggaeton
(pronounced reh-gay-TONE). ``People are loving bilingual rap. There's a
huge appetite for it. It's helping the Latin world to speak.''


Reggaeton's rise from the Puerto Rican underground to the
English-speaking mainstream has taken more than a decade. Its ascent can
be attributed in part to its cross-pollination with hip-hop, which
shares a similar grass-roots history.


On ``Culo'' and his latest single, ``Toma,'' Pitbull collaborated with
Southern rapper-producer Lil Jon.


P. Diddy has asked Daddy Yankee to be the image for his spring-summer
collections of the Sean John clothing line. And Ivy Queen, the only
woman to successfully break into the male-dominated genre, collaborated
with Puerto Rican-American rapper Fat Joe on her latest album, ``Real.''


Mainstream radio and club DJs have also started mixing reggaeton with
hip-hop hits, says Tony ``O'' Orellano, a veteran Bay Area Latin music
DJ. The music has made its way onto DJ playlists from Christina Milian's
``Dip It Low'' and Ashanti's ``Only You,'' to Snoop Dogg's ``Drop It
Like It's Hot,'' now remixed with the unmistakable syncopated reggaeton
beat.


``There's this huge new untapped market in the United States,'' says
Pitbull, 24. ``You have people from South America, Spain, a whole lot of
people from Latin countries here. . . . They are like, `These are my
roots, this is where I'm from, give it to me and feed me.' ''


Packed house in S.F.


With a growing West Coast fan base, reggaeton artists have also begun
arriving at Bay Area venues. Last month, Ivy Queen made her first Bay
Area appearance at San Francisco's Factory. Hosted by Wild 94.9, about
2,000 people, mostly young blacks and Latinos, lined up around the block
and packed the house for the oversold show.


``We have the same background as hip-hop,'' says Ivy Queen, a.k.a.
Martha Ivelisse Pesante, who has been compared to groundbreaking female
rappers Foxy Brown and Lil' Kim for her brazen attitude and pro-female
lyrics. ``The reggaeton community in Puerto Rico loves hip-hop so much.
There's so many similarities to both of the genres. So what's happening
is that the American hip-hop market is coming to Puerto Rico to mix
hip-hop with reggaeton.''


Although she and other pioneers such as Tego Calderón and Panamanian
rapper El General have persevered for years, she says reggaeton was
until recently largely ignored by major record labels and mainstream DJs.


``I think people are realizing now this is the music of the youth,'' Ivy
Queen says. ``It came from people that were out on the streets. Poor
guys or just regular people. . . . We've grown because we keep it real.''


The overwhelming success of the Ivy Queen show prompted promoters to
bill a reggaeton festival on March 26 at the Concourse Exhibition Center
in downtown San Francisco. Don Omar, N.O.R.E., Pitbull, Rupee and Oro
Solido are slated to perform live, says Salvador Martinez, a local Latin
music booking agent at SM Management and Promotions.


Demand on the rise


Manuel Morano, Viva 105.7 programming director and a promoter for Latin
dance club Barcelona in Sunnyvale, says he began noticing the escalating
demand for reggaeton in the Bay Area, especially among bilingual
Spanish-speaking youths from 18 to 24, within the past six months.


Reggaeton's burgeoning buzz, Morano says, is comparable to that of rock
en español in the '80s, but with a much edgier vibe.


``The lyrics and the way they dance to it, called the perreo, is very
sexual,'' says Morano, of the slow, grinding dance named after the
Spanish word for ``dog.'' Like much of hip-hop, reggaeton's lyrics focus
on street life, gangs, drugs, violence and profanity.


But whatever the lyrical content, clubgoers say they enjoy it for its
infectious beat, booming with the Latin sounds of bombas, timbales and
congas.


``Everybody loves it,'' says 26-year-old Alex Rodriguez of Milpitas, at
Barcelona on a recent Friday. ``The first time I heard it was in Mexico.
I usually listen to rock en español. But this kind of dancing -- it's
the dance of the future.''

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

As I keep saying, I'm at best ambivalent about reggaeton. At worst, I think it's the end of the world (or the end of a popular Puerto Rican salsa scene anyway). Here's another pretty good article. Very funny how this stuff has the potential to pull together big parts of mostly alien-to-me ILMworld (Lil Jon, Elefant Man--is that the right spelling?) and my own preoccupations (Andy Montanez, El Gran Combo). (It's nice that they are paying homage to these older Puerto Rican performers, but I don't see much connection between reggaeton and salsa.)


Reggaeton comes up from the underground

March 13, 2005

BY LAURA EMERICK Staff Reporter

In just a few rapid-fire verses, Daddy Yankee lays out his manifesto on the first track of "Barrio Fino," the album that has catapulted the man and his music, the urban Latin style known as reggaeton, into the national consciousness. With a distinctive, voice-of-God flair, he intones: "Naci ... en donde la vida me a hecho hombre ... /Yo soy de barrio/Pero de un barrio fino."

In other words, he's a man born of the streets, and he celebrates that gritty yet proud existence with reggaeton, a decidedly up-from-the-underground sound that mixes hip-hop, reggae, salsa and other tropical Latin styles.

Released last July, "Barrio Fino" bowed at No. 1 on Billboard magazine's Latin albums chart, and in an almost unprecedented move, returned to the No. 1 spot months later, propelled by the ever-exploding phenomenon that is Daddy Yankee.

"We were a subculture, and they were looking down at us from over our shoulder," said Daddy Yankee, from San Juan, Puerto Rico, where "Barrio Fino" received gold and platinum sales honors from the Recording Industry Association of America in a ceremony Monday. "Most of us are from the 'hood, we were from the barrio. That was a problem [to the music establishment]. But now we've proved that we were born with a gift, that we speak the truth. That's the most important thing in our music."

Born Raymond Ayala 29 years ago in Puerto Rico, he refers often to "the revolution." It's not an idle boast. Reggaeton has swept Latin music to become one of its hottest trends, thanks to Daddy Yankee and other breakout stars such as Don Omar, Tego Calderon, Nicky Jam, Lunytunes and Ivy Queen.

Daddy Yankee and Calderon also helped give traction to the reggaeton movement with "Oye Mi Canto," the hit single by NORE (aka the Queens-based rapper Noreaga). Featuring several star turns, "Oye Mi Canto" crossed over to become the first reggaeton single ever played on mainstream English-language stations.

"It came from NORE's camp, that was the key," said Daddy Yankee (his stage name is Puerto Rican slang for "Big Daddy"). "Everyone could finally look at our genre. It was like 'Rap Is the Life' by the Sugarhill Gang, back in the '80s. It was the first hip-hop song recognized in the mainstream. 'Oye Mi Canto' was the same thing on the Latin side. When it came out, everyone was asking me, 'What was that sound?' That's reggaeton."

The reggaeton movement received another surge with "Gasolina," the fuel-injected hit single from "Barrio Fino." When he performed the song on the Premio Lo Nuestro awards telecast last month, he ignited a frenzy with his spectacular entrance in an airborne, fire-red Lamborghini. (And oh, yeah, he won urban Latin album of the year honors later during the telecast for "Barrio Fino.")

So expect a sold-out house when Daddy Yankee headlines a tropical Latin bill Saturday at the Aragon.

For Daddy Yankee, it's simple. Airborne luxury cars notwithstanding, it's all about keeping it real. "'Gasolina,' it's sexy, it's grimy," he said, laughing. "It's about the girl who likes to have fun in the clubs. 'Le gusta la gasolina'" -- referring to the song's refrain -- "it's Puerto Rican slang for 'Mama, you like to hang out.'

"The sound is from the street. The people from the streets, they feel it. The other races, they see that, and then realize this is real, it's urban music."

"[Rappers] Kid Frost, Big Pun and Fat Joe were the pioneers of the urban Latin movement, but now it's our time to shine. Kids just want to hear the real," said Daddy Yankee, his voice rising in emphasis. "They want to get the chance to hear Daddy Yankee on the radio instead of 50 Cent. I grew up watching hip-hop icons, and I just wanted to bring that entertainment world to the Latin side. Now the urban Latin youth community has something to identify with. Before, it was only pop, people like Enrique Iglesias. Now they get to see the real stuff."

In many respects, "real" is an understatement. "To have someone come out of barrios of Puerto Rico to sell nearly a million copies in the U.S. and Puerto Rico alone without significant radio airplay, that in itself tells a story about how relevant this music is," said Cesar Ochoa, a locally based independent Latin music promoter.

John Echevarria, president of Universal Music Latino, the label that has dominated the reggaeton scene, doesn't think the trend shows any sign of diminishing. "We've had a huge increase in reggaeton, it's taken over the tropical Latin market," he said. "It took off first in Miami, but has also caught on with the primarily Mexican audiences in Southern California and Texas. Like in hip-hop, we needed someone to tell same sort of story, but only in Spanish, and reggaeton has been it."

Even with its recently acquired major label presence, reggaeton remains a grass-roots phenomenon. "It was an indie job," Echevarria said. "Reggaeton artists were suspicious of dealing with majors. But we [Universal] did the job [creating distribution deals], and they started to take off in 2001."

Daddy Yankee first gained prominence with "El Changri.com" (2002) and "Los Homerun-es" (2003), on his own VI Music imprint. "Right now, the majority of reggaeton producers are independent," Daddy Yankee said. "We don't belong to any major label. We created everything around us. That's one reason why we're so popular. We're businessmen."

With all of his related enterprises, Daddy Yankee has evolved into a one-man entertainment industry. And another one-man entertainment industry, P. Diddy, invited Daddy Yankee to become the face of his Sean John clothing line for its spring-summer collections. Daddy Yankee's label, El Cartel, is busy promoting its proteges, including Tommy Viera, who appears on "Barrio Fino." And now Daddy Yankee is starring in his first movie, "Straight From the Barrio," due out later this year.

"It's not a movie based on my life, but on reality," he said. "I play a kid from the 'hood. A lot of Latinos are going to identify, because we have been fighting against the odds all our lives.

Including Daddy Yankee, who started out singing on street corners. "A lot of people don't know that I have been working in music since the '90s," he said. "I started really young, I've been working since I was a teenager, and now I can see the fruits of my work. It wasn't easy in the beginning."

Back then, the Latin music industry had yet to embrace hip-hop or other urban styles. To break through the institutional barriers, young artists developed their own musical hybrids. "So we mixed hip-hop with Spanish reggae to create something straight from the underground -- reggaeton.

"Over the years reggaeton has developed a little bit of everything, salsa, cumbia, reggae -- that's the way we have captured such a wide audience," he said. "We have the support of the African-American and white communities. Music is music, and they can identify. I know it's hot. They know that I'm real. This thing of reggaeton reminds me of when I was a kid. I maybe didn't really understand [American] hip-hop, but I felt it, because it was real."

Plenty of people inspired him in his youth. "I recall [rap pioneer] Dr. Dre when he was with N.W.A since I was like 10 years old. I would go running to the store for his latest music. He was a mentor, even though I never met him. I got a lot of respect for him.

"And then there's Rakim, Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane -- I once saw him in an airport. I approached him, and I said, 'yo, respect,' he gave me props. I'm real in my comments."

Old-school salsa also proved to be an important influence. "Hector Lavoe, he's the godfather of our music. And El Gran Combo, Willie Colon and Andy Montanez," he said, referring to salsa greats of the '70s.

Lavoe died tragically in 1993, but El Gran Combo, Colon and Montanez have continued to forge ahead in their careers. Daddy Yankee even got Montanez to guest on the track "Sabor a Melao," on "Barrio Fino."

"I called Andy. I was shy, because I got a lot of respect for him. He's real. But when we made the track, there became a huge chemistry between me and him. It was just a great honor."

For his next album, tentatively titled "Daddy Yankee, El Cartel," he hopes to bring in El Gran Combo and perhaps other heroes. "'El Cartel' is really going to spread this movement everywhere. We've already got Lil Jon, Elefant Man, NORE, and I've got a holler out to a lot of other artists waiting for confirmation. If you like 'Barrio Fino,' you're going to love this one. It's going to drop later this year."

Meanwhile, Daddy Yankee continues to luxuriate in the love that "Barrio Fino" has generated.

"If you go to the clubs, you see a lot of DJs trying to do Spanish hip-hop -- even the Anglos on their shows. It's beautiful.

"Out of all the credit, I give it to the fans," he said. "I'm the leader of this movement, but I represent all of them. We're all real, and we're all here. Yeah, I've done history with this album, but there's more Daddy Yankee to come. I thank God that I'm the first reggaeton artist to go platinum. But it's those little things that make me most proud. People who don't speak Spanish are digging us. They're giving us props."


Inset:

A SIX-PACK FOR STARTERS

If you're new to reggaeton, check out this starter set of albums (and a hit single) featuring the best of the genre:

Daddy Yankee, "Barrio Fino" (2004): "The White Album" of reggaeton, a 21-track release full of incendiary rhythms and rhymes.

Don Omar, "The Last Don" (2003): Received Artist of the Year honors at the Premio Lo Nuestro awards telecast for this disc, still on the charts after 85 weeks.

Ivy Queen, "Diva Platinum Edition" (2004): One of the few female artists in an overwhelmingly male field, the sultry singer trades on her sex appeal but delivers the goods musically.

Lunytunes, "La Trayectoria" (2004): This Dominican-born duo has become the Neptunes of reggaeton.

NORE, "Oye Mi Canto" (2004): This Spanglish hybrid, featuring assists by Daddy Yankee and Nina Sky, became the first reggaeton hit to cross over into the Anglo radio mainstream.

Tego Calderon, "Enemy de Los Guasibiri" (2004): On his second major label release, he brings in tropical Latin artists Aventura and Tonio Rosario as well as reggaeton favorite Yandel for guest spots.

Laura Emerick

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Very funny how this stuff has the potential to pull together big parts of mostly alien-to-me ILMworld (Lil Jon, Elefant Man--is that the right spelling?)

Maybe I should just say the world in this case.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Will reggaeton make salsa become like jazz--something which most kids only learn how to play in school? How will salsa musicians respond? Will there just be programmed salsa beats with reggaeton rappers on top?

steve-k, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

RS, did I ever tell you how much I like that (Their) Reggaeton Club Mixxx you were sharing on DC? I like it a lot. I wish I had downloaded it again after you updated it with the track names. I filled in the ones I knew: Oye Mi Canto (which is still the best, I think) and Gasolina (of course).

W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I can send you the track list (or just dl from me next time I'm on).

Actually, you can thank pheNAM above for that mix. (I would have said so more loudly, but I don't want people bugging him for a copy.) I've been liking more of it than I would expect. I think it's because so many of the tracks have some sort of recognizable Latin flavor (mamboish horns, merengeu-ish accordion, etc.).

(He had originally called in "Reggaeton Club Bangas" or something like that. For whatever strange reason I felt more self-conscious about using a title with the word "bangas" than adding two xs to "mix.")

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I think that after hearing a lot more Ismael Rivera, I'm starting to hear echoes of his sound in Tego Calderon.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Latest Google New search on reggaeton pulls up this nugget, from an article:

In order to begin to connect the issues, the FMLN has organized an outreach campaign called the “Truth Mission,” with leaflets, songs on the radio, and house visits talking to people about the practical implications of the national fiscal crisis and national debt. As the legislature was debating this most recent loan package, FMLN collaborators put together the “debt reggaeton,” a song putting lyrics about debt, corruption, and social spending to rhythms from popular dance music. FMLN activists handed out CDs of the song in bus terminals, and it ran for weeks on progressive radio stations.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Please send the tracklist, thanks!

I didn't realize that these tracks have more Latin flavor than typical reggaeton (right?) -- if anything, I wish they had even more of it. I would have thought those kinds of sounds were integral to reggaeton.

Are these tracks the cream of the crop, the kind that FW says upthread are the only good ones, as opposed to the vast majority of reggaeton that he dislikes?

W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

pheNAM thinks those tracks have more Latin sabor than most reggaeton. I haven't heard enough to agree or disagree. Same goes for the issue of quality, though this mix seems to contain a lot of acts that are both commercial hits and critical successes, so maybe.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

(I curate the reggaeton thread, but there half to be a dozen or a couple dozen or even several dozen regulars who have heard more of it than I have by now.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 19 March 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

check your target circular in this week's paper - reggaeton is a featured category in the music dept!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Reggaeton is everywhere. There's a multi-act reggaeton show coming up on April 23rd at the 5,000 seat George Mason Patriot Center and other acts are hitting the road on tour--Don Omar in DC at Kili's Kafe on April 9th.

Geeta Dayal said the following about reggaeton in NYC:

"(Note I've been talking more in the downtown 'hipster' sense; if you want to see a burgeoning New York macroscene, head uptown or deep into a borough and check it out: reggaeton has taken over whole blocks, whole neighborhoods, whole regions of the city hook, line, and sinker. Folks in my old neighborhood in West Harlem, for instance, used to mostly blast hip-hop (I have fond memories of my entire bedroom shaking to Ludacris at 4 a.m.) and salsa. Reggaeton was around when I lived there, too, but now the entire neighborhood is the all-reggaeton, all-the-time channel!)"
http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com/blog/

steve-k, Sunday, 27 March 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

I have fond memories of my entire bedroom shaking to Ludacris at 4 a.m.

Geeta must be a more patient person than me.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

ha-ha...I've been gone for a minute (back to the work force), but I see reggaeton is still going strong on ILM - thanks to RS. I've got tons of new stuff that I haven't gone through yet. I went to the Copa a couple weeks ago, and mmmaaaan......was it crazy. So much energy. The salsa floor was packed too.

To my ear, as mentioned upthread, lots of stuff doesn't feature much "latin sabor", though a lot of the major hits do. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on this.

I've heard that Tego is a huge Ismael fan. He samples "Witinila" on his second album "El Abayarde". Hot song!!

U.R.A. funny person :)

I'm dj'ing a reggaeton set next month at a record release party for an artist named Enemigo. Should be hot! Maybe i'll post the details here when I know more. It'll be an after-work party down near Canal street. More later.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

whoa...don't know what happened with that last post....

ha-ha...I've been gone for a minute (back to the work force), but I see reggaeton is still going strong on ILM - thanks to RS. I've got tons of new stuff that I haven't gone through yet. I went to the Copa a couple weeks ago, and mmmaaaan......was it crazy. So much energy. The salsa floor was packed too.

"I didn't realize that these tracks have more Latin flavor than typical reggaeton (right?) -- if anything, I wish they had even more of it. I would have thought those kinds of sounds were integral to reggaeton."

To my ear, as mentioned upthread, lots of stuff doesn't feature much "latin sabor", though a lot of the major hits do. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on this.

"I think that after hearing a lot more Ismael Rivera, I'm starting to hear echoes of his sound in Tego Calderon."

I've heard that Tego is a huge Ismael fan. He samples "Witinila" on his second album "El Abayarde". Hot song!!

"He had originally called in "Reggaeton Club Bangas" or something like that. For whatever strange reason I felt more self-conscious about using a title with the word "bangas" than adding two xs to "mix.""

U.R.A. funny person :)

I'm dj'ing a reggaeton set next month at a record release party for an artist named Enemigo. Should be hot! Maybe i'll post the details here when I know more. It'll be an after-work party down near Canal street. More later.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
Tego calderon's 2nd album was titled "El Enemy De Los Guasibiri" (2004)phenam,not "El Abayarde"(2002/2003),that was his debut cd that made him who he is. I took a moment to read the current soundscan charts (latin) and it hit me hard when i saw that Don Omar's cd "Da Hitman presents Reggaeton Latino" hasn't even sold 200,000 yet when Tego's "El Abayarde" sold over 210,000 copies and This is without any solid airplay,promotion or fanbase and yet Don Omar who has been blasting out of speakers since reggaeton stations have grown across the nation,had plenty of big hit collaborations and has promoted that album to the last track has not yet reached tego's sales off his first album.

Wisin y Yandel,argueably reggaetons greatest duo has yet to hit 200,000 record sales either..even with heavy promotion,the singles off the cd "Rakata" and "Llame Pa Verte" have been played about once every 40 minutes on reggaeton stations,"Mayor Que Yo" is also a wisin y yandel hit featuring daddy yankee and gets played about once very 25 minutes (Although its on a different album,Mas Flow 2,it was also song of the year at the latin award show) and these guys have won awards even as duo of the year and have yet to reach Platinum in the latin world which is 200,000. Daddy Yankee's "Barrio Fino En Directo",which is daddy yankee performing his hits live with a few new songs on the album has sold over 400,000 records going double platinum in the latin world. That's how it should be done. Yankee broke Tego's sales for "El abayarde" with "Barrio Fino" and now has broken his own record with "En Directo",I can't wait to see what happens in reggaeton this year when these three kings of the genre come out with new albums this summer.

Cuban Link, Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

i agree man i was readin' an article on that in a latin website about reggaeton phenomenons and stuff it bugz me out how he could sell more than these catz comin out today think about it when tego released el abayarde it was 2002 and then BMG picked it up and it was re released in 2003 as his debut and dude sold a shitload in just one week man thats crazy,and the sales kept going till they reached 200,000 and beyond this was even before OYE MI CANTO came out with tego on it it was before any sign of real reggaeton was out and after he started this new generation of reggaeton daddy yankee came along and profited off of it but imagine when tego releases THE UNDERDOG this year with promotion and all that its gonna reak havoc on reggaeton stations since he is the first artist to sign to a major label hes gonna take his throne again

yomar, Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

damn this shit still here lol i remember readin this ages ago

underdog is gonna be a legendary album but not because it was under a major label...just cuz its tegos return even though he hasnt gone anywhere i got 3 tracks from the album downloaded already and they are the shit i have the link if yall want it let me know peace

Weeping willow, Friday, 31 March 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
visit www.sonidourbano.net soon you be able to listen to sample music.

luis, Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Mas flow!

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Mas flow!

I think it's better than mas flow 2,Mas flow 1 has much more to choose from and more variety.

Cuban Link, Sunday, 30 April 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
For Ned:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/main.jhtml?xml=/wine/2006/08/26/nosplit/edray26.xml

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago)


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