this faust v dalek thing...

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i'm not sure what to think about this record!!! i love faust and dalek but faust are so damn iconic.

― jimmy the doomed saint, Saturday, 28 February 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

its very gothic.

― jimmy the doomed saint, Saturday, 28 February 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

do these 'versus' records ever work??

― jimmy the doomed saint, Saturday, 28 February 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i've wanted that record for months now. can't find it. loved what i heard on the last wire comp...
m.

― msp, Saturday, 28 February 2004 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

Re-up. Has anyone heard this? Just curious since the new Dalek record drops in Feburary...

― ng, Thursday, 2 December 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i have it. it's mostly pretty good but i haven't listened to it in a couple months. that's great news about the new dalek record.
m.

― msp (msp), Thursday, 2 December 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

if making rent wasn't a factor, i probably woulda kept it rather than sold it... not bad, but not great, imo

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's great.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sometimes it's listed as Dalek vs. Faust (although my copy is the other way around). So, if you can't find it one way, try the other, but I got mine from forcedexposure.com, and they're usually pretty good about the imports (might try midheaven.com too). If you're new to either, I'd start with the first dalek, and also, say, FAUST IV, or prob any of their 70s stuff, not the "comeback" albums from 90s and 00s. It's only a couple of the original guys now (only a couple of guys *period*, most recently). So they benefit from new input, as much as dalek benefit(the latter had a really bad European tour, at least in terms of getting a rental car stolen, for inst., and Faust gave them food and shelter, and a sonic laboratory). Reviews have been mixed (xposts "it's ok"/"it's great" the range; haven't seen any denunciations[like, "it's ok"by Grooves mag/"it's great": Signal To Noise). Here's my attempt (sounds didn't summon images of a guy playing a certain instrument, just xpost "gothic" "iconic" and might add "blues is a feeling") www.villagevoice.com/issues/0440/allred.php

― don, Friday, 3 December 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Faust has been a pretty stable combo of four or five musicians for the past 7 years or so. Yes, only Joachim Irmler and Zappi Diermeier remain from the original lineup, but the contributions of people like Steven Wray Lobdell are pretty significant, so it's grossly inaccurate to state that Faust is "only a couple of guys *period*, most recently." (In other words, the current lineup has lasted longer than the original group did.)

You know, it doesn't take a Village Voice writer to research this .... Then again .......................

― Majooba, Friday, 3 December 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

fourteen years pass...

This new collaborative album from members of Dälek, Faust, and the Fire! Orchestra is blowing my mind wide fucking open right now.

https://gutfeelingisanguish.bandcamp.com/album/anguish

ANGUISH is the gathering of members of the New Jersey-based experimental hip-hop group Dälek (electronic musician and vocalist Will Brooks with guitarist-keyboardist Mike Mare), the Swedish free jazz group Fire! Orchestra (tenor saxophonist Mats Gustafsson, drummer Andreas Werliin) and the classic ‘70s German krautrock band Faust (keyboardist and 68-year-old founding member Hans Joachim Irmler).

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a4045172566_16.jpg

― ilxor, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:22 (seven years ago)

ah man, ty - hyped

― imago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:34 (seven years ago)

The closest contemporaries I can think of right now would be Armand Hammer. Beats sound like El-P or Def Jux shit at their most noisy and confrontational. Cannibal Ox vibes too, for sure. Even with those parallels, Mats Gustafsson’s saxophone, the free jazz drum layers, the dude from Faust adding all sorts of dark ambient vibes... it’s really in its own league.

One of my favorites of the year, for sure.

― ilxor, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:52 (seven years ago)

If you like one or two of the involved acts, you’ll probably dig this. I’m into all of them, so this record is hitting three or more of my specific musical pleasure centers at once.

― ilxor, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:54 (seven years ago)

Thanks so much for the Anguish tip! Will check their bandcamp tonight. Yeah the album that this thread was started for, Derbe Respect, Alder is credited by faustpages.com to Faust / Dälek, although there is a then-trendy-edgy V disappearing into the right margin.
xpost gothic, yes. They took me very far into the headphones. After that, back to clean-cut journalism.

Faust vs. Dalek
Derbe Respecte, Alder
Staubgold

Not so long ago, a young Jersey trio of prodigious mad hiphopologists, Dalek,
undertook a European tour. How they suffered! Until rescued by an old German
kombo of legendary mad progologists, Faust. Transcription of (ob)session
follows:
Facedown bass-clown chews through plaster cast appeal and last appeals.
Artillery fire falls like fossils, into single phylum. Spinal columns of beats
stack, driven home, bent high; remixing bricks, carpets, and windows. In some
crumbling rumble's scratch, soundbeast crawls on. Barrel tongues roll years.
Inventory takes itself, junkyard ripples like hide riding a horsefly:
Groovation gathers. A thin blue flame suspends, not unlike the aural aura of organist
Larry Young, but he died long ago. Miles and Jimi never played together, but
he played with them both. It is also not unlike the gas-jet flame Miles's
autobio claimed to be his earliest memory, seen across a field of whitest stove
top. Atmosphere waits out the needle of such a tiny thrill. But its point has
been made. And if the listener's ear-hole cherry should regrow itself, sealing
feeling? Well. CDs last a while. This one will be waiting.

― dow, Friday, 21 December 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

Dälek's '02 debut(?) album, From Filthy Tongue Of Gods And Griots, is amazing too.

― dow, Friday, 21 December 2018 03:57 (seven years ago)

Dälek have always been incredible. Filthy Tongues... and Abandoned Language have two of the best opening tracks I've ever heard.

Asphalt for Eden didn't fully live up to the high expectations that advance single "Masked Laughter" gave me, so I'm excited to check this one out.

― The house from the popular "Our House" song (bernard snowy), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

Dalek touring Filthy Tongues stands out as the loudest show I've ever been to. Ears rang for weeks.

― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

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