Underrated: Corrosion of Conformity

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Hearing their sorta recent live CD made me remember how great they are / can be. Many missteps, sure, but...anyone else like 'em? Search? Destroy?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what they sound like, but I always kind of liked the look of their fans.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Tell me more about them, 'cuz I've always wanted to know. I like Blind a lot...so basing ourselves on that...S/D and all that jazz...

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Animosity and some of their later, more orthodox metal stuff, notably "Clean My Wounds," but I never considered them at all crucial.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Francis - excepting the bland 'hardcore' of the early days (tho many folks swear by that junk), Blind is one of my least favorites, so if you dig that, you really oughta check out Deliverance and the black album (I forget what its called...It has Haynes from the Allman's on it - America's Voluem Dealers, maybe?) and the aforementioned live album / DVD.

Rockist - what do these fans look like? A cross between Duane Allman and Randy Weaver? yeah that's been my experience too. hahahaha

Alex - yes, "Clean My Wounds" is CLASSIC all the way

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Warren Haynes from the Allman Bros played with Corrosion of Conformity??? Fuckin' a, you learn something new everyday. I was just listening to Seven Turns last night. Great album.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked some very early EP I heard by them once upon a time, back when I was writing for CREEM METAL in the mid '80s: *Technocracy,* I think. Everything I heard after that seemed more generic than people seemed to give them credit for. Never understood all the geography experts who claimed COC had something to do with "Southern Rock," though it guess it made a little bit more sense than when people said it about Pantera. Who I still think suck eggs, so sue me.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

COC I'm now begginning to like a lot. Blind and Deliverance top notch. Are they considered the fathers of "sludge metal"?

Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(Actually, if they did record with the Gov't Muler mentioned above, CoC obviously have SOMETHING to do with Southern Rock. But what I mean is that none of the music I've ever heard by them has ever SOUNDED much like Southern Rock. Which isn't to say that they might not have done some Southern-Rock-like music that I DIDN'T hear. They may well have. I'm just skeptical about it, is all, y'all.)

chuck, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Here here, Chuck. Being from the South and playingg rock doesn' automatically make a band a "Southern Rock" band.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I've heard a few stories about them that confirm their general hilarity -- in that you laugh at them rather than with them -- but musically they just seemed pretty eh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Animosity rules!! I think I remember Mike Dean singing on parts of Technocracy - the good parts. He was the only good singer they ever had.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah. Pepper holds his own. I didn't like Karl though

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I know I seem to be pushing certain peoples buttons the wrong way when I express my dislike for certain musicians styles - especially singers. I'll just leave it at this - I don't really like the direction Pepper took the band in. I guess I'm the only one here who does see the southern rock element in COC. Even back in the Animosity days - which is a record I love. But it was crazy hillbilly-hardcore back in the days... But I just don't like the 90s stuff. I agree that Clean My Wounds and a few others were catchy but most of that stuff is just average. I will always love Animosity though I believe. Thats such a crazy record and there's nothing else like it. I only herad Down a handful of times way back when the first album came out and I can say I liked it better than any 90's COC or anything by Pantera for that matter.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Vote With A Bullet" has been making a lot of sense to me this year.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh heh heh.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
WTF, they have a new record that STANTON MOORE plays drums on? That could be better stunt cast that Megadeth + Vinnie Coliauta. Could it possibly be good?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

animosity is classic, obviously.
blind is totally underappreciated.
deliverance ain't bad.
much love for the weatherman/dean snake nation project.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

The new album's really good.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

Pepper Keenan rents from the video store I work at. I was like whoa.

adam (adam), Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

What does he rent?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

What does he rent?

"Beaches", "Prince of Tides", "Steel Magnolias"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Well I just started so I've only seen him the one time. He rented White Noise--not great, exactly, but not Sluts With Nuts.

adam (adam), Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
"In the Arms of God" is really! Although after listening to it once I don't remember the songs so much as Stanton Moore's fantastically loose Bill Ward/Bonham drumming.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

"In the Arms of God" is the best song COC have recorded in well over a decade. And yeah, the drumming on the entire album is incredible.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 10 June 2005 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

wilter, Friday, 22 May 2009 12:53 (sixteen years ago)

my high school band used to open for them when they played all ages hardcore shows in the basement of a churrch in durham, so naturally i like they're early hardcore stuff. it's actually pretty complicated, multi-timesignature stuff that doesn't sound completely unlike reign in blood-era slayer

messiahwannabe, Saturday, 23 May 2009 07:06 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

albatross is heavy metal, no fucking w/it

wilter, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 10:49 (fifteen years ago)

I remember them from ages ago. Reflection reveals they really had an incredibly stupid name.

Freedom, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

I feel like listening to these guys again for the 1st time in like 12 years

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

I saw COC supporting Metallica at the Glasgow Barrowland in 1996. Pepper Keenan was trying to whip the crowd up but most weren't interested apart from the front few rows.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efJ42PRgwow

how do i spud webb (am0n), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

COC/Prong at Katina's 1991, good times

No one is too good for this album; it is better than all of us. (herb albert), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Thoughts on the new self-titled?

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:31 (thirteen years ago)

Only 3/4ths of the way through my first listen and it sounds alright to me, but I've not really listened to these guys since Deliverance.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:50 (thirteen years ago)

v diff band imo

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:53 (thirteen years ago)

Well, yeah, pretty different without Pepper but I don't really like think they're awful now.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:13 (thirteen years ago)

preferred pre pepper stuff anyway!

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 23 February 2012 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

^^

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:29 (thirteen years ago)

I heard the new record yesterday and enjoyed the listen. If nothing else, it got me interested in staying for their set on the upcoming tour.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 24 February 2012 13:27 (thirteen years ago)

preferred pre pepper stuff anyway!

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, February 24, 2012 1:29 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, ridiculous.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Friday, 24 February 2012 14:17 (thirteen years ago)

you sure are bill! but please dont change!

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 24 February 2012 20:32 (thirteen years ago)

new albums pretty good

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 25 February 2012 01:34 (thirteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

They were surprisingly great live. Vocals were nothing to write home about, but trio was tight as hell and the crowd ate it up. Played stuff from their whole catalog, as far as I could tell. Hearing "Mad World" was awesome.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:37 (thirteen years ago)

"Animosity" is such a total stone cold classic album, I'm so bummed I missed the reformed Animosity lineup show at Deathfest last year . . . argh. "Holier" is my jam

the tune is space, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:44 (thirteen years ago)

yessss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyuln0m4_rM

the tune is space, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:45 (thirteen years ago)

so good.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 05:54 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

I had literally never heard a single note by this band, but I found Animosity today used on vinyl and decided to give it a whirl. Listening to it now... Solid stuff! Now I have to go see if it was in that '80s hard rock poll that just concluded (I can't remember); it belongs there!

Clarke B., Thursday, 4 October 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

for some reason I had no idea the 2012 album was a reunion of the original trio and that they went to decidedly non-commercial territory with it. it's weird tho - like it def doesn't sound like Animosity era except for a few tracks but the stoner/sludge element is fucking killer. on first listen I pretty much loved it and put the new one on order.

nothing against Pepper era stuff but I don't come back to it much anymore these days. Blind is great tho.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 May 2014 23:26 (eleven years ago)

Nah the Pepper stuff is goid. First half of Wise Blood is all time, but there's decent songs across all four of his albums

when I was in the 3rd grade I thought I was Geir (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 24 May 2014 15:48 (eleven years ago)

Pepper rules. Deliverance is such a fucking good album. If "chuck" above can't hear the southern in that alb I feel bad for him, he's not using the right q-tip strength when he cleans his ears.

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:18 (eleven years ago)

Or else he's not familiar with the south.

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:19 (eleven years ago)

shit forgot to remove the magnets from this thread

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:43 (eleven years ago)

the album 2 years ago was really good

۩, Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:09 (eleven years ago)

I re-ordered Animosity as I lost my original copy.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:11 (eleven years ago)

I think Amazon doesn't want me to get it. my first order, they send me a Nat King Cole cd instead of Animosity. the replacement order gets lost - they insist UPS has it, but it is still in 'ready to ship' status, which means they don't.

oh well. I did manage to pick up Technocracy and Eye for an Eye, which I like, the latter I like more cos it's punkier.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 June 2014 22:34 (eleven years ago)

four weeks pass...

new ones kinda like the last one. not a bad thing IMO

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 23:47 (ten years ago)

the band is hot shit, the vocalist is pretty underwhelming tho

j., Wednesday, 2 July 2014 22:52 (ten years ago)

Mike's functional, doesn't really get too much in the way. doesn't draw your attention like Pepper, but the music does enough of that

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 22:54 (ten years ago)

I really like this one better than the s/t 'reboot'. I felt like the last one felt like a bunch of long-time bandmates reinventing themselves and still kind of figuring things out. there were lots of odds and ends and weird breaks, but it was sometimes a bit messy.

I feel like the production and songcraft on this one are much improved, and Mike's voice sounds better. there also seems to be a lot more groove here.

Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 July 2014 01:27 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

"Vote With A Bullet" has been making a lot of sense to me this year.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:22 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 January 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

finally got around to In the Arms of God

"It's That Way" is so fuckin' heavy but has some nice 70's FMisms about it too with the central hook

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 22:33 (six years ago)

Yeah I stalled for a long time on COC albums after Deliverance but that's a good one.

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 21 February 2019 02:16 (six years ago)

Deliverance is great, also, I just kind of lost track of what they were doing for a while.

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 21 February 2019 02:16 (six years ago)

They were good fun when I saw 'em this month - never a huge fan, but they brought the volume and 'tude. I was there to see Crowbar and they were a delight to see live.

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 21 February 2019 03:00 (six years ago)

eleven months pass...

Ton of posts on social media indicating that Reed Mullin has passed.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 03:02 (five years ago)

I confirmed it with one of Reed's old friends. Huge bummer.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 03:14 (five years ago)

Awww

a thousand keening bullshit-detectors (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 04:15 (five years ago)

jesus, brutal year with drummers and it's not even February

... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 04:16 (five years ago)

fuck

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 06:01 (five years ago)

Ah shit. What a fantastic drummer.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 08:06 (five years ago)

three years pass...

Listened to *Blind* for the first time in ages today. It's so good. Reed Mullins's shifting rhythms are what stood out to me today. What an extraordinary drummer (moar cowbell). I like *Deliverance* well enough but they lost something in the departure of Karl Agell, if only that elemental rage. I was on a train, and those cries of 'BURN' in 'Great Purification' and the spoken word section at the end of 'White Noise', made me want to do the whole 'are you *hearing* this shit?' to the people around me but I could only find a few old ladies and a group of kids, so I thought better of it.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:03 (two years ago)

When innocents cried in the face of the guilty
NO ONE SAID ANYTHING

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:07 (two years ago)

Fuck yeah.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:11 (two years ago)

their music also got way less political after that album. well, pretty much got apolitical. granted, you can't really attribute that to Karl leaving as the same core that played on their earlier political crossover were still there, so I feel like Pepper's increasing influence had more to do with it.

"Dance of the Dead" was one of my favorite songs in high school, after hearing it on Beavis and Butthead I asked for the cd for my birthday.

they still do "Vote with a Bullet" and I saw them do it months after Trump was inaugurated, and Pepper joked "sometimes a song comes full fuckin' circle, right?" before launching into it

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:14 (two years ago)

Yeah, Pepper seemed to be in charge of the new direction. No judgement but some of the urgency faded. Great track and all but "Vote with a Bullet" stands out on *Blind* as being pretty performative in a way the rest of the album simply isn't.

I saw them a few times in the early 90s and holy shit. They're coming to the UK soon, I think, but it's too far away and I'm lazy.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:19 (two years ago)

kinda wish I'd seen em during that brief period when Pepper had left and they were recording very differential material with the three piece and doing old COC songs live

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:24 (two years ago)

*different

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:24 (two years ago)

it's kinda weird that they dont' even throw any bones w/ the old stuff cos like other than Reed (RIP), they still have two thirds of the Animosity lineup. I guess Pepper would throw a fit if he didn't get to sing on a song though. and trying to keep the sound consistent for setlist

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:25 (two years ago)

Reed Mullins's shifting rhythms are what stood out to me today. What an extraordinary drummer (moar cowbell).

RIP, as I just learned. :( I loved the drumming on "Senior Limpio".

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:28 (two years ago)

Great track!

I was opened mouthed at his drumming on White Noise today. I like him because it's virtuosic but still sounds rough as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyzoASr3wRc

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:39 (two years ago)

And aye Neanderthal. I'm guessing Keenan has a pretty tight grip on things with regards to what they do and don't play.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 February 2023 22:43 (two years ago)

The thing about Blind is it gets shoved into genre slots (I've seen it referred to as stoner rock, southern metal, sludge or alt metal) and to me it's one of the few 90s albums that is just genuinely a good hard rock record in a 70s sense, without being beholden to cliches from that decade?

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 26 February 2023 12:03 (two years ago)

There was so much potential with that lineup and I'll always wonder what a followup to Blind would've sounded like

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 26 February 2023 12:03 (two years ago)

yeah, the stoner/southern elements are there, but they're more background shading. "Dance of the Dead", for instance, has none of it - it feels like a traditional heavy metal track. "Damned for All Time" feels like groove/thrash. it's kind of over the map.

even "Vote with a Bullet" doesn't really feel like a precursor to Deliverance despite Pepper being on vocals.

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 17:12 (two years ago)

I'm going to make it a mission to see if I can find live Blind-era recordings anywhere

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 26 February 2023 18:33 (two years ago)

In a closet somewhere in California there is a VHS tape of my high school band covering Damned For All Time during a lunchtime concert at my school.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 26 February 2023 19:01 (two years ago)

damn! nice

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 19:02 (two years ago)

CoC probably did it better lol

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 26 February 2023 19:06 (two years ago)

IIrr, at the time it felt like there was a whole 'Trouble are amazing!' narrative surrounding the Black album and which *Blind* kind of got swallowed up in.

Trouble didn't really seem to gain anything from it and then Rubin got involved and changed their sound anyway. Metallica conquered the world.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 26 February 2023 19:50 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABX0R4D1r0

(COC, "Man or Ash")

not only is this song great, but for whatever reason, Hetfield gives guest vocals that are 3000% better than any of his vocals on Load that same year.

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 03:32 (two years ago)

Damn, that is really good. Wiseblood is the only one I don't have from that run of Pepper albums, guess I'll have to check it out.

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 08:20 (two years ago)

that one leans less into the "70s FM" side of Deliverance, many of the tracks are a lot fucking heavier, though they do still have quite a few of those hooky songs like "King of the Rotten" and "Drowning in a Daydream" but "Bottom Feeder", the instrumental, daaaamn.

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:24 (two years ago)

ten months pass...

Prison for praise - the obvious answer
Once had power mad - living disaster
Don't fuck with me 'cos I'm on a freedom train
That bears no name - this time
I'm voting with a bullet

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 January 2024 04:06 (one year ago)


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