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why are British so obsessed with singles? it seems like they are the only one in the world who pays attention so much to that format especially around the christmas. what's the story? any historical links?

casablanca, Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Singles still sell across Europe. I'm not sure exactly why European countries didn't drop the format when America did - it still made money, obviously, but I don't know the circumstances.

As for the obsession - well the Brits on this board aren't typical of everyone else.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Singles sell better in the UK than in most other European countries. Maybe has to do with the class stigma still very much alive in the UK society. The average working class Brit cannot afford byung a lot of albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

*stares at screen in disbelief*

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard

chris (chris), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Moving on..

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure we can/should!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think because Britain is such a small, politically and media centralised country the pop charts, along with the tabloids and soap operas and football, have traditionally been one of the things we all share as a culture. It's odd coming back to the UK after spending and great time away - there's some villagey about it, how everyone is gossiping about the same things.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

RJG is right, we should stage a sit-in

chris (chris), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha, that's what British artists get for always dropping references to 'class' when doing interviews abroad.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely they didn't explain it that badly?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

singles favour an experimental approach...

In the past, where 'pop' music exposure in the media was fairly limited in the UK, a consumer would buy one single rather than risk an album purchase. In the US, an album would get more exposure as there were more outlets.

That looks like gib up there. sorry. But do you get my general

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

also Dom was OTM regarding the 'relaxing' aspect of wallowing in trivial statistics and statistical trivia, particularly in the pop culture domain (and sports)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And JtN was OTM about the cultural group hug that the singles chart provides. No amount of album talk or downloading can possibly provide that.

darren (darren), Thursday, 4 March 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Singles sell better in the UK than in most other European countries. Maybe has to do with the class stigma still very much alive in the UK society. The average working class Brit cannot afford byung a lot of albums.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), March 4th, 2004.

Sorry, I just had to see that again.

mei (mei), Thursday, 4 March 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Albums cost a lot more in the UK so you're less likely to splurge on something that might only have one good track or two.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 4 March 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir's posting confirms why he is such a bad writer on pop music; HE CANNOT ENGAGE WITH POP MUSIC ON ITS OWN TERMS. however i'm less offended by his posting than i am by the similarly class-conscious writing of, say, the mid-90s NME; that was written by British people, who have no excuse (especially when they're simultaneously going on about the bloody mid-60s, which was inherently all about pop-music-as-classless-utopianism), whereas Geir is simply the archetypal, even stereotypical, foreign Anglophile. essentially he has more in common with the sort of foreign Anglophiles who are mainly interested in countryside and churches than the ones who are mainly interested in pop music.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry the word "foreign" sounded a bit shit there but you know what i mean

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The singles chart is only important because the media in the UK seems to think it's important. Even BBC news would use it as a barometer of what is popular eg the Blur vs Oasis battle and other similarly hyped events.

I'm sure if the media didn't find it so important (or just easy for a lazy journalist to squeeze a news story out of it) then the singles chart wouldn't be so significant.

jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the British singles charts because (contrary to what people say), there's a lot of variety, most forms of pop have a shot at the 40 and it's volatile.

It's a forum where your voice is as loud as anyone else's - you buy or you don't buy, and as far as having your opinion on music felt, that's pretty valuable.

Success there means longevity for pop artists, and if you've never rooted for your favourite artist to go top 20 or something, you'd understand that. That's what it means to me as an outsider who follows.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Success there means longevity for pop artists


Not necessarily. It takes so few singles to get anywhere in the top 40 now that its only worth is for the additional airplay/press coverage so that albums might sell more.
There's been loads of high(ish) singles artists who are being dropped.. like Amy Studt

jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Success being relative to money being put into an artist.

Amy Studt had two top 10 singles, but two others missed - her last single was a disastrous flop. And a lot of money was spent on her, so her success was limited compared to the record company outlay.
Of course, if said record company had put out Ladder In My Tights, this would be a moot point. Fact is, she didn't shift albums, and the money got pumped into the singles to do that, so they failed.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Variety is the keyword here. And also the fact that the #1 often seems to be unlike everything else in the Top 10 musically.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A chart with Britney Spears AND The Mars Volta in it DOES constitute variety.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It did worry me about a year ago when the fact that the entire US top ten singles chart consisted of hip-hop was touted as some kind of success.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but the song that dropped out of the Top 10 to bring that about was by *Matchbox 20*. and it isn't long at all since Celine Dion used to hit the US Top 5 regularly ... surely hip-hop/R&B dominance is *some* kind of lesser evil at the very very least?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 5 March 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno... perhaps a top 10 full of hip-hop is a "lesser evil" than a top 10 full of your Matchboxes, Nickelbacks, Maroon 5s, and so forth, but is a top 10 consisting of one genre actually a more... defensible (if not enjoyable) occurence than a top 10 that contains diversity, even if it does contain some complete dreck?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 March 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thought...

As the UK chart is 'sales only' where US charts are 'airplay plus', people regard that as more important as there is 'less' direct control of it...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 March 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, which chart does the 'that' refer to?

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 5 March 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the UK one.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 March 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, that makes sense.

i'd take issue with what London Lee said tho'. yes, LPs are more expensive in the UK than elsewhere, but i don't think that is why people don't buy singles so much in other countries. the relatively price differential between LPs and singles would presumably be much the same. you've also got to factor in relative levels of disposable income, how much other things cost and so on. but beyond all that, singles were once bought in large quantities in many other countries, so why did that change? not sure prices were the main factor

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 5 March 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It takes so few singles to get anywhere in the top 40 now that its only worth is for the additional airplay/press coverage so that albums might sell more.

But apart from the mega-sellers, has the UK singles chart ever been profitable? I remember reading a few years ago before the sales drop-off that singles were a loss-leader to get consumers into the album (or gigs, or clubs, or whatever made the real money) and thus part with the big bucks.

Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 5 March 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the relatively price differential between LPs and singles would presumably be much the same.

A few years ago, when many CD singles were available in the first week for £1.99 or even 99p, I think the differential in the UK was definitely greater than that elsewhere.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 5 March 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has got some entertainment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21988418

TV hosts Ant and Dec are celebrating their first British number one single with a re-release of their 1994 hit Let's Get Ready to Rhumble.

The song made it to number one after the duo performed the track on their ITV1 show Saturday Night Takeaway last weekend, prompting fans to download it.

The pair had several hits in the 1990s as PJ and Duncan, the names of their characters in TV drama Byker Grove.

The original Let's Get Ready to Rhumble single got to number nine in 1994.

It was their most successful release as PJ and Duncan, although they later re-named themselves Ant & Dec and made it to number three with Fifa's official 2002 World Cup song, On the Ball.

The pair, whose real names are Anthony McPartlin and Declan Donnelly, announced earlier this week that they will donate profits from their number one record to ChildLine.
'Bit harder'

Speaking on the Chris Evans Breakfast Show on BBC Radio 2, McPartlin said: "I've been trying to push it under the carpet! People are still buying the track, so we've just decided that any money we make out of it will be put towards ChildLine, as we're patrons of that."

On performing the routine, Donnelly said: "At 37 it's a little bit harder than 19, it felt a lot quicker than in 1994!"

He added that its new success has "been bewildering".

The pair also had a number five album in 1994, titled Psyche.

Their other hits included Stepping Stone and Stuck On U.

After rising to fame on BBC children's series Byker Grove and enjoying their stint as pop singers, they joined ITV in 1998 presenting the Saturday morning shows SM:TV Live and CD:UK.

They have fronted several entertainment shows for ITV1, such as I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! and Britain's Got Talent, and have won the National Television Award for best entertainment presenter(s) 12 years running between 2001 and 2013.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 31 March 2013 18:19 (twelve years ago)

Like to think that plug.dj/ILXORS played a role in this.

Newgod.css (seandalai), Sunday, 31 March 2013 19:33 (twelve years ago)

just one - turrican.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 31 March 2013 19:47 (twelve years ago)

was it ever actually re-released ?
surely it was just sat there in the itunes library, and people clicked the link after last weeks show ?

mark e, Sunday, 31 March 2013 19:48 (twelve years ago)

If "plug dj/ILXORS" did play a role in this then they ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. How fitting this smug piece of crap should go to number one as the welfare state is finally dismantled. It feels like a victory rally for the Right. I'm ashamed of Britain and I'm ashamed of pop.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:37 (twelve years ago)

let's get ready to crumble

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:40 (twelve years ago)

the dec is short for DECLINE

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:40 (twelve years ago)

(I don't have a point, I'm just drunk. Im sure you're right)

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:41 (twelve years ago)

We'll just wreck the mike country, psycke

FINNISH HIM! Tuomas wins... (snoball), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:42 (twelve years ago)

it's "watch us" not "we'll just"

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:44 (twelve years ago)

THIS STUFF MATTERS

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2013 21:45 (twelve years ago)

Like to think that plug.dj/ILXORS played a role in this.

― Newgod.css (seandalai), Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:33 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Does this mean that the next UK #1 is going to be this!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVR9JykPC-0

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:45 (twelve years ago)

But didn't that song already have its revival in the mid-2000's when that video with the dancing midget was making the rounds on the internet?

MarkoP, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 17:58 (twelve years ago)

fucking love MC Miker G and DJ Sven

my neighbour Turturro (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 18:09 (twelve years ago)

This is exactly why nothing will change in Britain, no matter what Cameron's Government do. Basic income? Land value tax? No - let's all pretend to like some flaccid turd of an eighties one-hit wonder.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 19:12 (twelve years ago)

"let's" "all" "pretend"

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 21:56 (twelve years ago)

I'm sure if those 2 posters knew that the state of the nation would be extrapolated from their posts they wouldn't have pretended to like some song on the internet

c21m50nm3x1c4n (wins), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 21:57 (twelve years ago)

Love this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG0jUDYrLG8

everything, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 22:05 (twelve years ago)

TV hosts Ant and Dec have been forced to relinquish the number one spot in the UK singles chart after just one week by the club hit Need U (100%).

The track, by musician Duke Dumont and featuring the singer-songwriter A*M*E, curtailed a chart-topping run it took the presenting duo 19 years to achieve.

First released in 1994, Let's Get Ready to Rhumble made it to number one after Ant and Dec performed it on their ITV1 show Saturday Night Takeaway.

The original single charted at nine.

Ant and Dec - full names Anthony McPartlin and Declan Donnelly - originally released the track as PJ and Duncan, the characters they played in TV drama Byker Grove.

The re-released song - proceeds from which are being donated to the ChildLine charity - drops to sixth place in this week's singles chart.

Dumont praised A*M*E - real name Amy Kabba - for her contribution to Need U (100%), calling her "a fantastic talent to work with".

The London-based singer has toured with Jessie J and The Wanted and was longlisted in the BBC's Sound of 2013 poll.

Pink featuring Nate Ruess are at two with Just Give Me a Reason, while Justin Timberlake's Mirrors moves up a place to three.

The Saturdays featuring Sean Paul are at four with What About Us, while Bastile round out the Top Five with Pompeii.

Timberlake's The 20/20 Experience held onto the top spot in the album chart, holding off a challenge from Night Visions by US indie rockers Imagine Dragons.

Next in the chart comes Sempiternal by British metalcore act Bring Me the Horizon, a new entry at three.

ugh at BMTH charting, Vile band.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:40 (twelve years ago)

"need u (100%)" is bloody good

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:46 (twelve years ago)

is that the one that sounds like a 90s house tune?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:54 (twelve years ago)

yup!

flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:19 (twelve years ago)

wow v dope song

The Reverend, Sunday, 7 April 2013 21:35 (twelve years ago)

"Forced to Relinquish", I mean...

Mark G, Monday, 8 April 2013 08:16 (twelve years ago)

Whoa, had no idea "Need U 100%" would be anywhere near the charts; here's hoping UK momentum will give it legs in Aus/NZ.

etc, Monday, 8 April 2013 08:21 (twelve years ago)

ten months pass...

George Ergatroudis, head of music for Radio One, has confirmed data from streaming services such as Spotify will soon count towards chart placement, which could bring some serious changes to the UK's Top 40.

Ergatroudis was speaking at the Radio Academy Playlists: What Makes A Hit? event last night (February 17), as reported by MusicAlly, when he revealed that plays on Spotify and a variety of other music streaming services will soon be incorporated into the UK charts.

Up until now, a seperate chart has been compiled for streaming of songs. In February 2013, following US chart Billboard's announcement they'd be incorporating YouTube plays into its chart data, the Official Charts Company said they wouldn't be following suit.

However, it seems now that streaming software's popularity is at an all-time high - with a revenue of £103m and plays of 7.4 billion in 2013 alone - they've wisely changed their minds.

The UK's current No 1, 'Rather Be' by Clean Bandit, recently became the most-played track in a single week on Spotify, having been streamed more than 1.09 million times in a seven day period. It's been played more than 3 million times on Spotify since its release.

http://www.gigwise.com/news/88641/music-streams-to-be-included-in-the-official-uk-music-charts#BSTRKHXbmR7zFI2p.99

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:13 (eleven years ago)


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