Zoogs Rift (THE LIQUID MOAMO): C/D

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got 5 unlistenable albums by this artsy punker & wrestling fanatic, but the love for one song compensated the rest. still not sure...

eleki-san (eleki-san), Friday, 5 March 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't believe I've ever actually heard the man's music (I'm pretty sure he promised to send me a CD once but I don't think it ever materialised); however his apparently obsessive and incessant posting on alt.fan.captain-beefheart (at least up until the point at which it drove me away) is a resounding DUD!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 5 March 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

An old roommate of mine was an irregular correspondent with Zoogz and even owned two T-shirts by him. I remember being bemused, but it did lead me to an appreciation of John Trubee.

"I'd like to buy a wig for my hair...FOR MY HEAD."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Zoogz Rift is of the kind more amusing to read about than to experience. It's my take that this is the way everyone wants it and the perfect Zoogz Rift legacy would be one of about two or three hundred albums, all mentioned or written up on Trouser Press.COM, with none in print but perhaps a quarter listed "out-of-stock" on Amazon.

Ideally, we'd all know of aquaintances who had Zoogz Rift LPs but would be enable to recall where they were purchased or a single song other than the ones with scat titles or "A Blind Man's Penis."

Zoogz on Zoogz:

"...like all of my albums, was horribly distributed and received little or no promotion, so it's highly unlikely that you've ever even heard of us. The press constantly (favorably) compared my four dozen or so releases to..."

Evidence of the milk of human kindness or somewhat more optimism than expected.


George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Zoogz Rift is of the kind more amusing to read about than to experience. It's my take that this is the way everyone wants it

You are a man of wisdom, sir.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, did anyone catch the LA Times' Calendar mag cover story on local tribute bands yestiddy? Huge photo of lumpy to obese gay men imitating the cover of the first Go-Go's album for their "tribute" act, the Ga-Ga's.

Unfortunately, the story never delivered on the frightening promise of the cover. There was not even a mention of Nudist Priest -- a terrible omission given the howler lead pic.

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I had about four of his records from when I was about 15 years old and buying *anything* & *everything* on SST. The only names I recall are Island of Living Puke and Murdering Hell's Happy Cretins. I don't think the contents of either were even half as entertaining as the titles, even to my puerile half-baked mind, and they got slung out some years back. With quite some malicious glee, I might add.

If you want weird jazz-meets-punk w/ poetry and funnies and shit, the best band on SST you can ever possibly investigate is the almighty Saccharine Trust, who in fact rule you all, even if you don't know it yet.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Idiots On The Miniature Golf Course" was my favourite title of his. I used to buy everything on SST too (for about a pound), but I don't think I've got more than about 10% of those records these days. And while Zoogz Rift is undeniably terrible, he wasn't the worst act on the label. My top 5 worst SST bands :

1. Paper Bag
2. October Faction
3. Leaving Trains
4. Zoogz Rift
5. Black Flag (1984 onwards) - possibly a controversial choice, but has anyone ever actually made it all the way through "The Process Of Weeding Out"? That has to be the single worst improv record I've ever heard.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda like a couple of Leaving Trains songs. Their Saints cover was good too.

I've never heard Zoogz Rift. I do own an Always August lp though!

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

My top 5 worst
SST bands :

Any such list is incomplete without the deranged folly of Greg Ginn's astoundingly wretched 90s side projects and diversions, which seemed to be released for no other reason than stupidity (although perhaps some of the names above in fact are some of those projects). I give to you the idiotic Hor, with that stellar song "Albini Bush Lick."

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d603/d603662s0dp.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I'd lost interest by then so I never heard any of his later projects. Let's face it, Ginn hasn't recorded anything good since 1981.

WTF is going on with that cover? Call me an innocent but I can't figure it out.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Island Of Living Puke is actually fairly good...I did a feature on it a week or so ago in my blog and got a nice response. A Blind Man's Penis isn't by Zoogz (unless there's another song by that name that I'm not aware of...I haven't listened to all 1000 Zoogz releases). I'm not, like, a huge fan but IOLP still seems funny to me (best part is the nightclub routine where his fans bitch about how awful he is and complain that they'd rather be home dubbing tapes).

dlp9001, Friday, 5 March 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

George, thanks for the informative link.

Pantheon of Idols

http://people.brandeis.edu/~cmyme/zoogz.GIF

remembers me of Ignacious from that John Kennedy Toole book. am i the only one loving his brilliant 'Chromium Slit Negatives' (on 'Nonentity')? haven't heard 'Island Of Living Puke' though.

eleki-san (eleki-san), Friday, 5 March 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Had to check...Blind Man's Penis was by John Trubee (who happens to be the fan bitching that he'd rather be home dubbing tapes).

dlp9001, Friday, 5 March 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

If C/D is the dichotomy, than surely DUD. Takes the most superficial elements of Beefheart/Zappa. Zappa: here's a sort of childlike but actually harmonically complex riff I played in one song, now I'll do it in another context! Beefheart: I'll have my band play discordantly in a strange time signature while I rant! But alas, you need to be really good in order for that stuff to work, eccentricity and egomania alone are not sufficient.

I agree that IOLP is basically listenable and has some very amusing moments (I tuned out an album or two after that). Would you please provide a link to the blog? I almost listed "A Very Beautiful Song for a Very Special Young Lady" in the "fake orgasms in pop songs" thread a while back. The album was recorded by Ethan James, which has a lot to do with its success--Zoogz' ear in the studio was pretty lousy. I don't think it is available on cd. I found mp3's of IOLP on Soulseek, but unfortunately the vinyl rip didn't go very well. In the Worst of SST pantheon he is beaten out by Gone and Swa, at the least.

Zoogz does however get some points for the wrestling business, in a knid of avant-garde "art into life" way, but then Andy Kaufman had already done it (and given that "My Breakfast With Blassie" was a fave of ZR's, the retread was conscious). And, after stating for years during his Beefheart-esque signature tune "Heart Attack" that one day he would have a heart attack performing it, he eventually did, at least according to the rumor I heard.

zogzripped, Friday, 5 March 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst of SST pantheon he is beaten out by Gone and Swa, at the least.

Agreed. Add to list: Tom Troccoli's Dog, Slovenly.

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh, the pain, the promos...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I give to you the idiotic Hor, with that stellar song "Albini Bush Lick."

This seems to me reminiscent of The Nig Heist. Re "Hot Muff."

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

the trubee i've heard didn't do much for me. zoogz rift is delightfully unavailable. i'm sure osmond g. ristle has all of the master tapes...

m.

msp, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Apologies if you know this, but the Blind Man's Penis song is kind of famous, more for how it was created than anything else. The story is here:

http://www.aspma.com/trubee.htm

dlp9001, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hero:

http://www.aspma.com/graphics/ramsey.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

George! Slovenly is great! You're not my friend anymore.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 March 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Doh! I take it back, I recant.

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Slovenly were a real band with good taste and some ok music marred by an unbelievably horrible vocalist. I had forgotten Tom Trocolli's Dog! Unwitting self-parody as soon as it began, the worst of the worst. Should be included in anti-drug propaganda marketed to indie kids. On the other hand, Zoogz was a strict teetotaler, so...

Trubee--part of an exodus Zoogz led from Paterson NJ to L.A.--is even worse than Zoogz. His prank calls can be funny if you go in for that, and "Blind Man's Penis" is a classic (the interest of the song IS the way it was recorded), but his own music is excruciating lite jazz-rock and his shtick--I'm a victim of an uncaring society that doesn't recognize my unique genius so I will scream about it--is, well, you can see what it is.

zogsripped, Friday, 5 March 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, Slovenly are tremendous, even Highway to Hannos has some friggin' knock-out moments. That whole Tom Watson guitar thing just leaves my head spinning. They sort of blended fairly standard indie references (hmm, New Order, Television, Pere Ubu and the Blue Orchids perhaps) but came out sounding like no-one else whatsoever. And, though I can easily see how some folk are allergic to it, I actually loved Steve Anderson's whole approach at the time, literally nothing else really affected me as much as that in my mid-teens. Along with the Minutemen, probably one of my favourite bands on the label.

Still have the Tom Troccoli record in my frisbee pile if anyone really wants it. Actually, I do sometimes break out 'Girl From The North Country' if I'm feeling particularly addled. Who the heck was he anyhow?

Worst SST thing I ever owned: Glenn Philips - Elevator. Super bad, I don't know what the heck they were thinking there...

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Glenn Philips - Elevator ...I don't know what the heck they were thinking there...

Noblesse oblige to Hampton-Grease Band, maybe.

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

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George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

George, don't do it!

I not only owned Glenn Philips - Elevator, but I also had his mid-70's albums, Lost At Sea and Swim In The Wind. Why? I couldn't tell you myself. I've also still got an 80's or 90's era Col. Bruce Hampton cd which is pretty dire, available for free if anyone wants it. Music To Eat by the Hampton Grease Band rocks though, I think it might have been reissued too.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Noblesse oblige to Hampton-Grease Band, maybe.

Yeah, maybe so, but Philips had been making terrible solo records for, I dunno, a dozen years before Elevator. Maybe I'm being harsh on him though, cos I've just remembered what Run Westy Run sounded like.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say this is one of my favorite threads in a while, it's digging up all sorts of weird memories. Did anyone else like Bazooka?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Who were they?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The urge to purchase Zoogz Rift MP3s has passed. Slapped out of my head by this entry from someone's blog, addressing Zoogz' apparent presence on the Usenet.

"...Look, I'm not some music fascist, telling you what you can and can't listen to, but if you listen to Zoogz Rift I will have you beaten senseless by my jack-booted thugs. I actually had one of this guy's albums, for which I paid $0.99. I got ripped off. Regardless, you can't hold a newsgroup responsible for this..."

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually quite like Bazooka, although they're no Cruel Frederick. To offset all the SST hating, here's my Rough Guide to SST from the recent thread. Note the lack of Run Westy Run and, indeed, Zoogz.

1. Black Flag - Depression
2. Husker Du - Chartered Trips
3. Meat Puppets - Up On The Sun
4. Das Damen - Girl With The Hair
5. Minutemen - The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts
6. Blind Idiot God - Stravinsky / Blasting Off
7. Universal Congress Of - Chasing
8. Descendents - Global Probing
9. Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
10. Lee Ranaldo - Time Stands Still
11. Cruel Frederick - Jukebox In The East River
12. fIREHOSE - Choose Any Memory
13. Negativland - Car Bomb
14. Saccharine Trust - The Giver Takes
15. Pell Mell - Bring On The China
16. Sonic Youth - Schizophrenia
17. Grant Hart - All Of My Senses
18. Steve Fisk - Priorities
19. Elliot Sharp/Soldier String Quartet - Tessalation Row

udu wudu (udu wudu), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Who were they?

Long Beach (I think) instrumental jazz-rock of sorts. I had the first album for a while, it was okay, but I liked the lead guy's other band the Cambridge Pipers more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

SST, trying to be the logical successor to Diskreet, for awhile, maybe.

George Smith, Friday, 5 March 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't Lost at Sea pretty decent tho? The only solo Phillips thing I've heard was that Echoes comp that came out in the 90s, and yeah, it was mostly pretty excruciating. But I seem to remember liking the earliest cuts on there, which I think all came from that first record.

NickB sums up what I like about Slovenly, I think. It's definitely all about the band interplay, they were just a fantastic group, although I don't mind the vocals at all. The guitar playing is really nice; Verlaine a good reference point, yes, but there's also a spindly post-Harkleroad sensibility in some of the lead lines. They wrote good songs.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually liked a lot of the skronky jazz-rock side of SST. Those Universal Congress Of records are still wonderful. Might have to check Bazooka out...

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

So, uh, Painted Willie. Titans or Shite 'uns?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

They were better than Tom Troccoli's Dog.

udu wudu (udu wudu), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick did you hear the Overpass stuff? I only heard the second record but dug it quite a bit.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I f*cking regret to this day that I never picked up any Overpass when I saw it. And I still haven't got the Tom Watson solo record he brought out about three years ago which actually sounded like it might have been great. Damn.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow - I didn't know about the Watson solo album. Just looked it up - definitely looks intriguing. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck it all. Just found this page with a nice little history of Slovenly on it. Then on the 3BOS news page I read:

3 Beads of Sweat mourns the passing of Baculum guitarist Scott Ziegler, who was found dead on September 7, 2003.

This makes me really sad; I'm breaking out Thinking of Empire right now.

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought zoogz stuff was fun to listen to for about a week.
1000 songs means it'll be fun to listen to for about 35 weeks.
Seems a fair trade to me.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 March 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Watson fans should also be on the look out for his work with Mike Watt on some recent tours (live stuff is well-represented on the file exchange services) in the bands the Pair of Pliers and the Jom and Terry show.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Dunno how I stumbled across this discussion. Y'all can go here for me ranting about some SST stuff: www.manwithoutshame.blogspot.com
Ginn has recorded nothing of worth since '81?? Huh? You kidding?? "Process of Weeding Out" is a KILLER! Listened to it MANY times...

Worst SST Bands:

1) Paper Bag/SWA (it's a tie!)
2) Run Westy Run
3) Treacherous Jaywalkers
4) Always August
5) DC3
Aaahh, despite the greats, there were too many...

Anyone bagging Slovenly needs their head read.

Dave Lang, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Dave, I stumbled across your blog recently. Nice work - keep it up! What's this dissing of Always August though, yer bugger? There's NO WAY they were worse than, say, Overkill...

BTW wanna buy some Trotsky Icepick? ;o)

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
Any fans of THE LIQUID MOAMO out there? I'll pipe up to say that I think he's not represented well on this thread and was actually a talented dude with good songwriting and guitar skills and who put together good groups in the tradition of earlier California avant-gardists such as Harry Partch and Don Van Vliet.

That said, I've only heard the Looser Than Clams comp and a couple of his later albums. (And yes, of course, some of his lyrics can be hard to take.) But I am interested in Zoogz. All those SST LPs should be easier to find. I tried a couple of years ago to buy bulk copies of old SST obscurities directly from them, but to no avail.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 September 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
Zoogz's daddy was in the Secret Marines.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Ah, the Secret Marines...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Zoogz Rift eats Cowboy Bob Orton's hat

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 14 July 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Hooray, finally found Looser Than Clams floating out there in the ether.

Religious Embolism (WmC), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)

Guitar playing on Island Of Living Puke was pretty sweet iirc.

While living in Gainesville FL I saw a band bust out a cover version of 'The Circle' from the abovementioned LP, which was a major WAIT WHUT moment...

heck bent for pleather (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)

I think Zoogz' Zappa/Beefheart-isms are OK when he shuts up and plays his guitar. And Glenn Phillips' Lost At Sea is fine too. He's up there with Zoot Horn Rollo.

Half lies and gorilla dust (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 09:23 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

RIP

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)

had a couple of his tapes. not amazing, but really entertaining in small doses. RIP

CharlieS, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, that's sad. I listened to Island Of Living Puke about 1000 times in my teens. Water almost as much.

return, descender (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)

;_; RIP

WmC, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

enriched my life
bye rob

meisenfek, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)

Quite sad to hear this, he always used to be my SST whipping boy but hey, he wouldn't have cared what anyone thought of him I don't think! Also, Idiots On The Miniature Golf Course is the greatest album title ever.

RIP Zoogz

Nogma (Matt #2), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:16 (fourteen years ago)

This is sad. Always had a secret hope that he would turn up on this thread and lambast us all for being rude about his oeuvre. Hope that heaven has some happy cretins for him to murder anyway.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:24 (fourteen years ago)

Relistening to Island of Living Puke at the moment. Probably the only SST release actually worth re-hearing here in 2011...

dlp9001, Thursday, 24 March 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)

WHILE I MASTURBATE IN PAINFUL ECSTASY

Michael B, Thursday, 24 March 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)


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