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Ahh... an ideal S/D band as they are SO hit and miss.

I'll Start:

search "Sad Witch"
destroy almost everything else

(there's a lot of Hefner I haven't heard, so I'd like to know of any more gems)

― Aaron A., Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

search the whole of the second album, "the fidelity wars".

hefner are the dark matter of my taste. I love them quite a lot.

probably for nostalgiac reasons tho. (first sexual encounter etc.)

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well there's not a single track on Wars I can really get behind. Some are fun.

Are they good live? I would want to see them.

― Aaron A., Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

They were a great live band. Every gig I went to of theirs had such a party atmosphere, and the way the whole room was jumping when they played The Day that Thatcher Died (this was before the album was released)

Search the first couple of albums, when they were still guitar based

Destroy the later more electronic stuff

― jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen them live, yeah. I have anthony's drum stick, ha the only rock memorabilia I have. they were good as I remember. ok.

life without buildings supported them. I can't remember too much about them.

or hefner, really. but I do love 'the fidelity wars' far too much.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

First album is brilliant. Everything else, totally blah, apart from maybe 'A Hymn For The Cigarettes'. And 'Hello Kitten', which was a B-side or something, way back when.

― Jason J, Saturday, 6 March 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

'Don't Flake Out On Me'
'Eloping'
'Greedy Ugly People'
'Love Will Destroy Us In The End'
'The Science Fiction'
'The Weight Of The Stars'
'Twisting Mary's Arm'

The cover of 'Dragnet For Jesus' is great also.

Destroy that album recorded by Darren Hayman as 'The French'.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 6 March 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Many of their harder to find tracks are the best ones -- I say search the "Pull Yourself Together" EP (for "Christ," and "Wicker Girl" as well as the title track) and the first 10" (which was never issued on CD - with "Flowers" and the early slower version of "Christian Girls"). And the Hefner Heart EP with the original version of "Mary Lee." Actually, search it all except for the later electro stuff, like Jellybean said. But then again, "When the Angels Play Their Drum Machines" (remixed on The Hefner Brain EP or on "Dead Media") is excellent. This thread is doing what all the best threads do -- it's making me want to dig out stuff I haven't listened to in ages for a nostalgic kick!

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

there's no need for us to be alone-- not a hefner song, but the best song darren hayman ever wrote.

I liked breaking god's heart a bit, more than the fidelity wars. nothing from the last album registered with me much.

is The French album bad?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 6 March 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

search: everything up to hymn for the alcohol.

destroy: everything after that (ok, i lost interest in them at that point. the first album was great, though; i doubt i've heard it since 99 but i loved it then).

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 6 March 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Coz - I insist you go out and buy the Life Without Buildings lp right now. (Or get Cook to make you a copy.)

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 6 March 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I hereby summon Kate Jane Connolly to thread to delve into her bottomless pit of Hefner wisdom...

*clash of cymbals, puff of smoke, jazz hands*

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been waiting six years for this to happen.

Search: The Hefner Soul 10' that came out first (complete with the first and best version of Christian Girls and Girl from the Coast, the best Hefner song ever) All of Breaking God's Heart, the Fidelity Wars and Boxing Hefner. And the Hefner Heart E.P, and oh! ESPECIALLY their cover of the New Bad Things' 'Goethe's Letter To Vic Chesnutt'
on 'Love Will Destroy Us' EP.

Destroy: Everything on 'We Love The City' that isn't the title track, 'Good Fruit' or 'The Greedy Ugly People'. And of course Dead Media should be obliterated from the face of the earth. The French album is shit too apart from 'The Wu Tang Clan'.

I will return to do this subject full justice later...

(disappears in puff of smoke)

― Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Saturday, 6 March 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I was there, cozen.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 6 March 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

search -'hymn for berlin', 'normal molly', 'blind girl with halo', 'destroyed cowboy falls', 'goethe's letter to vic chesnutt', 'grandmother dies', 'hello kiten', all of the first album, 'stole a bride', 'fat kelly's teeth', 'eloping', christian girls, 'lee remick', 'when angels play their drum machines', 'dark hearted discos', 'peppermint taste', 'trouble kid', 'hymn for thomas courtney warner', the gospel ep, all of ant's solo records.

destroy most of 'we love the city' most especially 'the day that thatcher dies' amd destroy the french.

― keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 6 March 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate and Keith are OTM: The first LP was great, as were most of those early singles. The second LP was only a little less strong.

Certainly something about Dead Media forced me to sell it more quickly than any other record I've ever owned, despite some groovy Amelia Fletcher type action therein.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 6 March 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds like i didn't miss much getting out when i did...

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 6 March 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Cozen's first sexual counter actually with Hefner? ew.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 March 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm the only person in the world who likes The French~!

Search:
All of 'the fidelity wars', bar 'don't flake out on me';
most of 'breaking God's heart', but side 2 is a bit meh;
'painting and kissing', 'we love the city', 'the day that thatcher dies', 'as soon as you're ready', off 'we love the city';
All of 'boxing hefner'.

Destroy:
the remix singles from 'we love the city',
'she can't sleep no more', off 'we love the city'
and probably the whole 'Dead Media' album, but I could never be arsed to actually buy that.

― cis (cis), Sunday, 7 March 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't there, N.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 7 March 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The debut "Breaking God's Heart" is the one. Only a few weaker ones on it really... "The Fidelity Wars" = far more patchy, though reasonably enjoyable.

― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the EP on acuarela is worth owning if you're able to find it. all of the singles up to and including those from "the fidelity wars" have pretty decent b-sides too.

most of the remix versions of the singles have been teh sux0r but the baxendale remix of "greedy ugly people" is really really good.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"dark hearted discos" is probably the last good song darren hayman wrote

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I am glad that KJC has appeared to praise that Goethe thing they did - it was the song that initially intrigued me; tragically it was a cover.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

For what?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"All of 'the fidelity wars', bar 'don't flake out on me'; "

you're an idiot. "don't flake out on me" is a great song!!!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree, whenever ant sang it was a delight.

― keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and if you haven't yet. go and have a look at their website http://www.hefnet.com

there's a complete discography with detailed commentary from Darren. It's really worth reading

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the only hefner release i do not possess is their first cassette.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

haha he thinks that "oblivious" is by the velvet underground, dean wareham would be so proud

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

and if he's making a funny he's a fuckwit

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Making a 'best of/most popular/easiest-to-get-into Hefner songs' CD for a friend. How's this?

I Took Her Love For Granted
More Christian Girls
I Love Only You
Love Will Destroy Us In The End
The Hymn For The Cigarettes
Dragnet For Jesus
Greedy Ugly People
The Day That Thatcher Dies
Good Fruit
Seafaring
The Weight Of The Stars
China Crisis
Don't Give Up On Us
Painting and Kissing
Don't Flake Out On Me
Dead Media
The Sad Witch
The Science Fiction
Eloping
Twisting Mary's Arm

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody rates "Alan Bean" (or some other space cadettte?)
?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

'Dead Media' easy to get into? Apart from that, I'd take out 'Thatcher' (too novelty, oompah, bit crappy) and Don't Give Up On Us, Baby (novelty again) and 'I Love Only You' (bit half-arsed and "will this do"?)

I'd replace them with 'Goethe's Letter', 'The Sweetness Lies Within' (it's an important song, their first proper single, they even had a video!) 'Milkmaids' and 'Hymn to the Coffee'.

And, er, is 'China Crisis' the London E.P version or the Dead Media version? The earlier one is much better than the one on DM.

― Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone have MP3s of the 10" record with Flowers and the slow Christian Girls? I would love to get those to have a digital version, since my turntable is long dead...

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Add 'The Librarian' to that compilation... and also 'God is on my Side'; two brilliant tracks from the debut.

― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Search - most of it. and the French. I like Alan Bean
Destroy - Trouble Kid. Bits of We Love the City

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

aren't all the tracks from the 10" on Boxing Hefner? i do intend to digitise my early Heff vinyl but it won't be for a good number of months

― the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

No, actually, none of them are, I'm sure it's a different version of 'Hymn to the Coffee' that appears on the vinyl.

― Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

well that's no good.

― the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but the 10' is marvellous!

― Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

lol Kate, do you have some kind of scary Hefner radar that means you're always kicking about on ILM when the thread's updated?

*thinks* oh hold on, you've probably activated the email alert haven't you? D'oh...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Email alert?! No, I don't know how to work it. It's just my scary Hefner radar. Given that my abiding memory of being 16 is of Darren Hefner looking through his glasses at me and sighing, "Hello, Kate", it's hardly surprising.

― Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Thursday, 27 May 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I do like that title "The Hymn for the Cigarettes". Gratuitous articles= classic

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Catfight, the Hefner rarities album:

01. The Pines
02. Gabriel In The Airport
03. Anne And Bill
04. Repression Song
05. I'm Not Surprised
06. New French Tits
07. Country Song For Simon
08. Fist Footed
09. Dirty World
10. Your Kitchen
11. Come On Sister
12. Dark Days
13. The Love Has Gone
14. Hymn For The 1950s Folk Revival
15. Monkey Man
16. Louise
17. Down Street
18. Hymn For The Telephones
19. Standing On Jesus
20. The Little Baby Hefner's Xmas Song For Holland
21. Somebody's Got To Love You

Catfight Disc 2 Tracklisting:

01. If I Had The Desire
02. The Hymn For Lisa And Me
03. OMD
04. Orange Ball Of Hate
05. Don't Break My Heart
06. The Girl With The Loneliest Futon In Bethnal Green
07. The Art Of Forgiveness
08. Underfed
09. It Beaks My Heart
10. Smoke
11. Shit TV
12. Lemon Pixie Stick
13. Fully Clothed
14. How Can I Be Certain
15. You've Been Prayed For
16. Colette
17. No Fucking Just Kissing
18. Fox
19. Virgin Friends
20. Betty Cutts
21. Affordable Friend
22. Lank

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 June 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

... is that a mountain goats cover?

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

where'd you get this, i can't find it on the website -

― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 10 June 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's out July 31st, but its already leaked. Hayman's putting it out through his own record label.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 June 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

The Hymn For The Cigarettes

^^^Top 10 indie tracks ever, easily.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)

good song

― electricsound, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)

That's pretty much the only song I like by them.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:57 (seventeen years ago)

The Darren Hayman and the Secondary Modern album from this past year is a "search." His best stuff in a long time.

"Gabriel in the Airport" on that Cafight set is awesome.

He has another new band, a bluegrass thing, called Hayman, Watkins, Trout, and Lee.

I love Hefner. Hayman's lyrics are incredible.

― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 23:09 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm, just listened to them for the first time. I could do without the post-Pixies Weezer quiet verses leading into rock-out choruses...but nevertheless, I prefer them to Pulp or Suede...or fucking Art Brut.

The ripoff of Martine Nightingale on the cigarettes song somehow redeems itself.

― dell, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

Works better, and sells me more than does LCD Soundsystem's lazy cribs of New Order or what have you

― dell, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 23:29 (seventeen years ago)

the first two hefner albums are better than art brut's two albums but i'd rather have a beer with eddie than darren y'know

― electricsound, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

also i never thought i'd see the day that hefner would be mentioned in the same sentence as pixies and weezer. or suede.

― electricsound, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

It kinda pains me that Art Brut take all of my favourite aspects of 90s indie, and turn them into a big crock of shit.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:04 (seventeen years ago)

Dom, and everyone else who reps Hefner, OTM. Everyone who doesn't not OTM.

― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:54 (seventeen years ago)

ie Hefner RULE.

― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:54 (seventeen years ago)

Does not. I'm pissed.

― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)

No, doesn't not was right.

― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 01:06 (seventeen years ago)

There's a 10-year anniversary edition of The Fidelity Wars coming out soon, and Darren and Jack 'wasn't even in the band properly when they recorded it' Hayter are doing a couple of gigs playing all the songs. June, i think.

― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 09:53 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Focharideeinnit

http://www.hefnet.com/Amnesty.jpg

― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago)

"Castle Pube 17" would be a good Hefner title.

― bendy, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

On Marc Riley show 8pm tonight on Radio 6 with Jack Hayter. Playing some songs from the new Re-iss of We Love the CIty http://bit.ly/2FgAxs

http://twitter.com/darrenhayman/status/5360750673

― James Mitchell, Monday, 2 November 2009 11:17 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

im deeply sad that im not going to get the chance to buy a hefner tshirt from the guy in los campesinos

its a really cool looking tshirt too

― placeholder (Lamp), Friday, 6 May 2011 06:32 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

Really, nothing on the reissue of their best album this year? Wish there were some King of Summer or Peppermint Taste remixes, but whatever...

― dlp9001, Monday, 12 September 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)

the surface noise (electricsound) wrote this on thread Top 5 albums of 2003 so far on board I Love Music on 07-Sep-2003

i always suspected darren had a worse record than "dead media" in him

― thomp, Monday, 12 September 2011 11:07 (fourteen years ago)

^_^

― HRTX (electricsound), Monday, 12 September 2011 11:11 (fourteen years ago)

little did i know...

― HRTX (electricsound), Monday, 12 September 2011 11:11 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

New short interview:

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/01/21/darren-hayman-hefner-were-the-best-band-but-you-cant-go-back/

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

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