50 Cent: Not Homophobic/"Ain't Into Faggots"

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sez pg 6 anyway: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/16940.htm

March 10, 2004 --

50 CENT likes lesbians, but his warm and fuzzy feelings don't extend to gay men. The bullet-riddled hip-hop star — who says his late mother was bisexual — tells Playboy: "I ain't into faggots. I don't like gay people around me, because I'm not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I'm not prejudiced. I just don't go with gay people and kick it — we don't have that much in common. I'd rather hang out with some straight dude. But women who like women, that's cool. I could actually get into that, having a woman who likes women, too. We might have more in common."

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. what a surprise

― Mitchell (Mitchell), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what is it with Playboy Interviews that make people say dumb shit? mel gibson, jimmy carter & now fiddy...

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure the lesbian community is touched.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

well, they do have a lot in common.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

what is it with Playboy Interviews that make people say dumb shit?

it's really simple: they ask, they get answers. they're fantastic interviews.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the lesbian community has beef with Murder Inc.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

just announced: Indigo Girls tour with Fiddy!

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

oh cmon guys i think yall can work some more hilarious lesbian material out of this- keep reaching for that lol thread!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You sound disappointed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

trife is stalling while he figures out a way to say that it's racist to say that 50's full of shit

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, this isn't as bad a thing as all that. at least he doesn't say "I'll kill a faggot" or anything.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah good thing none of ilms fav rock n roll guitar dudes are homophobes so we can start threads abt how we're better than them too

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i mean uh 'too bad...'

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

But we do, don't we?

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

trife you are layered like a burrito

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

im an conundrum wrapped in an enigma smothered in secret sauce

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

trife's response: wow. what a surprise

― ..., Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

he got shot nine times

in the face

with male spunk

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah good thing none of ilms fav rock n roll guitar dudes are homophobes so we can start threads abt how we're better than them too

it was Killer Mike who said shit tho, not Andre (ho ho)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

two in a row??

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

everyone on planet earth in paying attention to rappers homophobia while not giving a shit about their misogyny non-shocker of the new millenium

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is mad gay.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure any rock guy saying that would get called on it here. I'm also pretty sure that most people's listening/not to said rock guy wouldn't change - same goes for 50 Cent.

xpost wasn't that Rockist Scientist thread that went on for 8000 posts a month or 2 ago all about rap misogyny?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah if anything I notice misogyny cited more often, here or elsewhere.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(someone go dig up some old rock writing - possibly by lester bangs if you can - about how the essence of rock is misogyny and all this faggot bullshit is transitory and damaging and fake so we can square the circle.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i wouldn't have posted a thread like this myself, whether it was a rapper or a rock star. what i want to know is how John B feels about the gays. i reckon he is totally cool with them, even lets them into his house and kiss in front of kids. holler back b!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm never gonna make that lol thread again now

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

wanna bet?

― ..., Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ronan i direct you to any review of common ever (before he starting dating erykah badu at least)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

com sense is crazy with the homophobic tourettes though...i think he got molested by paul lynde as a kid or something.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody ask Caushun what he thinks.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, don't.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

this is a good opportunity to highlight the difference in opinion towards Jack White and 50 Cent. Jack White attacked someone physically. 50 Cent made some comments about not liking homosexuals (tho he didn't attack a gay man physically). So which is worse? Who deserves more disdain?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it may be different here. I don't know if I've ever read a Common review or if he even gets reviewed, what do you mean?

I guess around the time of Eminem there was a massive focus on the homophobia thing but from your average man on the street I'd have thought misogyny was more what they'd criticise, mind you I don't for a second think that people criticising this sort of thing in music is necessarily related to how they themselves behave. What is and isn't offensive can become a sort of aesthetic football, obviously.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

well the average man on the street usually isnt jumping to criticize homophobia anyway is he?? unless there are cute girls around

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway the gist of most of 50's Ja Rule disses was "haha ur gay" so why are people feigning surprise now? because it's in an interview? has Eminem successfully trained everyone into believing that rappers can't be held accountable for what they rap about, it doesn't necessarily mean anything until you say it outside a song?

bonus points to anyone who can find a clever way to work that "I ain't into faggots" line into In Da Club in place of "I ain't into havin' sex".

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

No but my point was in discussions of hiphop, if someone is criticising it from that sort of moral standpoint I'd have thought misogyny was what they'd attack more than homophobia, this ties in with your cute girls comment I guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd rather doctor it so he says 'i'm into sucking dicks' then giggle like a schoolgirl and run off quickly

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes the received wisdom is -

hip-hop: misogynist
dancehall: homophobic (there's just as much sex talk in dancehall as in hip-hop but it tends to be treated as jolly slackness)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and thus are the differences between the uk and the us rendered clearly yet again.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

No but my point was in discussions of hiphop, if someone is criticising it from that sort of moral standpoint I'd have thought misogyny was
what they'd attack more than homophobia, this ties in with your cute girls comment I guess.

So it's alright to be homophobic as long as you're misogynist too?

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

to re-iterate i think it is interesting that nobody is really criticising Jack White for beating Von Bondies dude up, I guess that relates to the point $$ was making in a way. But one male rock star beating male rock star up is seen as no big deal, childish but bravado all the same. change it to male rock star or rapper beating up GAY male and the hell breaketh. which, as i say, is interesting, to me.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

but I live in Ireland!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone who thinks rote "step on chi-chi man" lyrics are height of rapped homophobia hasnt listened to much ca$h money

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, i think critizing rap en masse for misogyny has only really taken off (again?) in the last few years with the ascendance of the nu-p.i.m.p. aesthetic.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Thats why I said "received wisdom" - following up the man-in-the-street stuff. I think most people would assume hip-hop was homophobic too but over here at least misogyny is what it gets criticised for.

Oh you can add

garage: violence

to my list too!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

jack white is also a big creepy racist

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

his sister is hot though

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

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Statements like "I'm not prejudiced. I just don't go with gay people and kick it — we don't have that much in common." are pretty mild homophobia, incidentally. If I had been forced to guess 50 cent's feelings on homosexuality before reading about this interview, I would have expected worse.

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)Ned, are you unaware of any other means of communicating other than public ridicule?

(x-post)Okay that's apologetic bullshit, Sym.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, are you unaware of any other means of communicating other than public ridicule?

But your interest seems to be less in personal communication and more in societal reform. Am I wrong?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not excusing him, Alex. What he said is still bullshit and wrong and he's an ignorant guy. But wouldn't you have expected worse?

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

alex if you want a discussion of threatened black masculinity then cool. but that's gonna lead directly into a discussion of the social relationship of masculinity and power (bringing race into the discussion, as john sez, complicates but doesn't obviate discussion of why its really the SAME gender stuff played out at a stronger level -- also w/r/t 50s remarx stevem is off the topic, but if you wanna deal with race in the u.s. you also gotta deal with a v. distinct tradition of religion that has everything to do with the whole thing and you gotta deal with the church both as an assertion and a negation of "masculine" values and you gotta deal with the whole MYTH of the destruction of the black family during slavery not to mention the MYTH of the superiority of the nuclear vs. extended family not to mention the ramifications of that myth on those who DO live with extended values. oh fuck it everyone should just go watch Baby Boy instead coz its about some but not all of this, and also its really funny!)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, personal communication is what spurs personal reform which is what spurs societal reform.

"But wouldn't you have expected worse?"

Not really. I would have been more shocked if he'd been all Glenn Danzig about it actually. Being virulently homophobic in interviews doesn't seem to play well with most folks these days.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, personal communication is what spurs personal reform which is what spurs societal reform.

I feel better already.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Either that or it's the idea that Alex in SF is secretly Mr. Van Driesen.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Danzig? What?

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

he killed your baby today

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh oh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha Sterling, I never said I necessarily wanted a discussion of threatened black masculinity (I really would wonder at what the stakes of a bunch of largely non-black dudes in such a discussion would be) but I would definitely rather see a broader more intelligent discussion of the african-american relationship with sexuality (which obviously would encompass all the above--religion, masculinity, ways in which it is simply a heightened form of the normal gender interactions--if we are really lucky) than another "Look Another Rapper Said Something Bad About Gay People" thread.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I can't be the only one who remembers that Danzig controversy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"no homo" = WTF?!?

― Stuart (Stuart), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

can we have a thread about Baby Boy instead?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha of course.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

50 Cent can suck my gay dick. There's no excuse for that shit.

However this thread makes it abundantly clear that the world needs Scream Club right now.

― Kevin Erickson, Friday, 12 March 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think the colour issue has been made more of a big deal than it really is. You're making a big deal of it by referring to 'threatened black masculinity' Alex but I'd rather play that down all together because ideally there'd be a colour missing from that term. Technically it's not at all relevant that a black rapper made these comments - they'd be dumb from whoever said them, and people of all races do say things like that all the time. I'd say it's more a class thing than a colour thing but whatever. Technically it's also relatively harmless in that it's not a direct incitement though there may be some young fans dumb enough to adopt same view if they hadn't already - but they'd have to EXTREMELY dumb to do that. I don't think I'm harbouring racist thoughts by criticising a homophobe who happens to be black. And you may think my ignorance on the subject is on the same level as 50's, but I don't. Maybe there are still racist motives in the media (as I said earlier, asking 50 Cent his views on homosexuals...how is that relevant to who he is and what he does? why was the question asked? assuming it was) but they don't seem so clear cut to me anymore.

Race, upbringing and social conditioning are reasons but they are not 'excuses' for this attitude imo, and not to be just trotted out conveniently whenever you say something someone goaded you into saying - people need to be smarter than that I think.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(i mean i guess in this instance the issues of religion and blackness are BOTH red herrings because 50 referred to neither, but they are referred to in other cases i've seen)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

50 CENT GAY HISSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― REDBONE$$ (RED BONE), Saturday, 13 March 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

now we're getting somewhere.

― m., Saturday, 13 March 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh the irony

― Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 13 March 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

REDBONE$$ is the Hip Hop Smash!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever been mugged by a black person? the sexual tension is intense! one time when i was 12 a black boy reached in my pocket to get a dollar and whispered in my ear "im'a fuck yo mama," but she moved out when i was six, so i just kept mum. and another time i was laying down in bed with my mixed friend (we both only have fathers) and we jerked each other off

― $corpium (asfdzxc), Saturday, 13 March 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a threadkiller if I've saw one.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have to agree.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i just think we should judge the sexual orientation of the blacks by personal experience than theory. really if you think about it black people are just defending their culture against the psychological conditions of faggotry. its quite simple!!!!

― $corpium (asfdzxc), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

OH KAAAAAAYYY!!!!
http://www.bigtruckrecords.com/images/video-dont/him.jon.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

So now we've gotten to the point of Jonathan Lethem references?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

see? they might be slipping though, lil jon is holding a dannon. then again, a niggas gotta drink!!!!

― $corpium ($corpium), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

so, now.

― $corpium ($corpium), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I think the breakthrough will be when Ghostface and Raekwon recreate the cover of John and Yoko's Wedding Album.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever been mugged by a black person?

Yes, but being mugged by a 5ft 2 Glaswegian with a face covered in scars was much scarier.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 14 March 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the most fucking stupid and pointless thread i've read here yet ... and that's saying something.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 March 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, you aren't saying anything

i think it's been okay - valid points were made, lessons were learned, the diffusion was probably a good idea tho.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 14 March 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

haven't read this thread, but here's a particularly abhorrent leno monologue gag, the implications of which disturb me more than anything i've heard from 50:

leno (i'm paraphrasing btw): "intelligence reports are now claiming that osama is moving from pakistan back to afghanistan. you know why he's moving back to afghanistan? it's easier getting a gay marriage license there."

― m., Wednesday, 17 March 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

disappointing

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, Nate, I wanted to be all smug about catching the Lethem ref, and you ruined it for me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

can we send leno and kevin smith off in some malfunctioning space probe?

― !!!! (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, Nate, I wanted to be all smug about catching the Lethem ref, and you ruined it for me.

Haha, me too. But did you also note the bad/weird pun in there?

'whispered in my ear "im'a fuck yo mama," but she moved out when i was six, so i just kept mum.'

A strange ending to a strange thread.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

As an African American male, I find people like 50 cents and all of these other monolithic minded, heatheness, lust/horemongering, ignorant, triffling, mindless rappers to be far worse than anything homosexuality could bring! Such irony that we (African Americans) are far more disturbed at how two consenting adults may or may not make love, than we are of a slew of degrading hip/hop rappers, projecting and influencing a negative thought pattern of our people.

Many of you have heard about the DL men in our communty and there are MANY! Quite frankly, 50 cent fits the profile of a black man on the DL. DL men are hyper masculine; they appear angry and uncomfortable with any talk or suggestion about homosexuality (particularly male to male). They unprovokingly "bash" and say derrogatory, hateful comments about gays. Our community unfortunately will have to learn the hard way, to be more tolerant. (The root of homophobia in our community is very deep and too complicated to get into here) Nonetheless, there are far more "straight" appearing gay and bisexual men that are African American living double-secret lives, than OUT "effiminate" or "clockable" proud gay black men... Trust me when I say that 50 cent and other hardcore rappers could be DL as well as any of his "straight" male friends.

― Alima Borokeq, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Heatheness? That could be a title to aspire to ...

― Dare, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

is it true that 50 spends a lot of time in da salon getting his nails done?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

w/e...
gay ppl can be gay so why couldnt he be homophobic

― 2lazy, Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

just thinking of all the things 'DL' COULD mean

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

have you ever been mugged by a black person? the sexual tension is intense!

I did not find this to be true.

― clotpoll, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago)

maybe he's just not that into you

― dumb pseud (some dude), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

$corpium has gotta be luriqua rite

― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

this thread is mad gay.
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:12 AM (4 years ago)

― velko, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago)

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