Am I pretentious for listening to Glenn Gould?

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Been on a kick this week. Came to him rather late - about two years ago, after seeing that series of short films / vignettes about him. Like Richard Thompson, though, his fans kinda ruin the experience for me. Convince me I don't have to be a wine-sipping, museum apreciating, clove smoking Eurotrash sissyboy to be so smitten.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, can't. Don't forget your beret!

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Roger Adultery, yesterday:

http://www.lemoulinrougebakery.com/flag%20woman%20beret.gif

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You gents can be such CADS!! (flounces off)*


*with apologies to Ned

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The single greatest interpreter of J.S. Bach I've ever heard. Period.

jim wentworth (wench), Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes I feel a bit uncomfortable saying I like something to certain people (e.g. Can, Neu!, Fairport Convention, Gang of Four), 'cause I don't want to hear about them any more, and sometimes I avoid things I end up liking when I do hear them (e.g. Os Mutantes, Nico) until I stop hearing about them, but I never wonder about myself for actually liking something. I think it's a matter of avoiding people rather than music, though.

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the music is the point and few things are more amazing than his playing. especially his bach and schoenberg.

I do know what you mean about the way he's usually marketed though; I would have bought that 3 CD Goldberg set if they hadn't fucking titled it 'A Sense Of Wonder' and put his open mouth on the cover, I'm a huge fan but that cover misses the point entirely.

(Jon L), Thursday, 11 March 2004 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Glenn Gould's not even European.

Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Thursday, 11 March 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Glenn Gould rocks! You should listen to him every chance you get. And pick up one of his books while yer at it, he was a heckuva writer.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 11 March 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

goldberg variations is wonderful

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 11 March 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretentious just depends on the reason why you listen - if it's because you like it, fine.

For a while I've been toying with the idea of learning to play the Goldberg Variations in the style of Gould in a kind of listen/repeat way with my stereo perched on top of the piano and the sheet music in front of me. I'm not sure if I could though. And I need to buy the piano first.

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretentious just depends on the reason why you listen - if it's because you like it, fine.

I was gonna say. You're not pretentious for listening to Gould, but you very well may be pretentious if you stop at Gould, in re classical pianists.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I pretentious for listening to Glenn Gould?

Yes.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

no way, Glenn Gould was a psychotic toronto pillpopper who hung out at the 24-hour fran's on st clair all night all the time. he was punk.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 11 March 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

You're pretentious if you own more than The Goldberg Variations.

maypang (maypang), Thursday, 11 March 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing pretentious about listening to anything for pleasure, provided your enjoyment is sincere.

Now: Is it pretentious to WORRY about whether you're being pretentious?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

are you more pretentious for loving the humming or for sometimes wishing someone had made him stop it?

pinkgerl, Friday, 12 March 2004 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

More wrong than pretentious my classical pianist mum would say

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Friday, 12 March 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't even get her to read "The Loser"

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Friday, 12 March 2004 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

so you want to write a fugue? You've got the urge to write a fugue?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 March 2004 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
From an old article I found in an old library book (part of a series of pages from what appears to be a woman's magazine, all trimmed to the same size, for no discernible reason, and stuck inside this book). I believe this is by a Marvin Barrett:

Music: Eccentric with Talent

We have a certain wekaness for eccentrics, especially when they are geniuses. For a long time we have been hearing the unusual behavior of a twenty-five-year-old Canadian pianist named Glenn Gould, who soaks his hands and arms in hot water for twenty minutes before each performance, takes pills like peanuts, thrashes about on his specially designed piano stool like an electrified scarecrow, hums audibly while playing, and occasionally harangues his audience. We have also heard some of his records, especially the glittering supercharged piano transcription of Bach's Goldberg Variations (a work that ordinarily we can take or leave), which convinced us of his really formidable talent.
So, when we heard he was in town, we visited him. We weren't disappointed. A lank [and?] tousle-haired young man who looks a little like a non-lachrymose Johnny Ray, he managed to thrash about quite a bit even in an over-stuffed hotel chair. He also, for an eccentric, made eminently good sense.
"I think you can approach the piano in two ways," he told us. "As a romantic instrument, all curves and color, maybe a little cute, a little muddy. Or you can treat it like a series of plateaus, angular, architectural. Like the harpsichord. That's my approach. Music for me has to be architectural. Otherwise I just can't get with it. Bach [Goldberg's favorite composer and his specialty] is the most incredible architect in music."
Gould's Bach is as solid and beautifully designed as a Gothic cathedral. On the other hand, his approach to such a craggy modernist as Arnold Schoenberg is subtly different. "His music," says Gould, "has a very solid geometric base, so you can afford to be a little free with it. You can get very romantic with Schoenberg."
Gould then charmingly explained away his habit of humming ("my rhythm depends on it"), his contortions ("That means the piano

[There the article is cut off--RS]

RockistScientist, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

His playing: classic.
His personality: dud.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought a used copy of Gould's Goldberg Variations that had a few newspaper/magazine clippings tucked into the liner notes. Mostly from the Wallstreet Joural, but I believe that Barrett article is hiding in there as well.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how much his apartment on St Clair goes for now?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

You have got to get a copy of his insane cut-up radio documentary "The Idea of North". It's great.

yours in sissydom,

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Glenn Gould's performances (on disc anyway) suck soooo hard.

His writing's great though

IOW: the opposite of what Hurting said

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I can name twenty better interpreters of Bach than this feeble twit.

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Just on the piano that is. But I suspect so could most of us.

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks 'bumfluff'

search: solitude trilogy (including 'idea of north')
stokowski documentary
'The Alchemist' DVD with long scenes of Gould in the studio splicing tape, with a session taped on four microphones in different parts of the auditorium, then 'conducting' the mixdown by bringing the levels of the different mics in and out of the mix
GG Collection Vol 16 On The Twentieth Century

(Jon L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

No problem --.

And really, just search 'The Glenn Gould Reader', and
Angela Hewitt's versh of the Goldbergs. Both have given me much pleasure. Do not waste your time with Gould's recordings, there's a wealth of great music out there and Gould really is a distraction from it. Listen to Wilhelm Kempff, Solomon, Artur Achnabel, Keith Jarret, Maurizio Ploiini, Michelangeli. All have something to say.
Gould, in performance, has nothing to say.
On second thought, search Leonard Bernstein's address to the audience
in a live recording (of Brahm's 1st piano concerto, I think), virtually disowning the interpretation he was about to perform with Gould.....that was brilliant

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That's "Maurizio Pollini" of course. D'oh

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I admit I can find Gould's playing too overactive, too self-conscious. recently bought his 'well tempered clavier', it's a fun coked out ride but it demands your full attention, sometimes I like Bach to just be background music. also, the loud, intermittent mumble-singing... there's no way in which it doesn't bug me

but when Gould's good, he's overpowering.

always loved this article
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/glenngould/m23-502.1-e.html

(Jon L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)


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