Commercial radio? TV Advertising? Pop Idol? Cheap CD's at ASDA?What has happened to the album charts?
― Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― omg, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)
11 ( ) Ultimate Manilow Barry Manilow Arista 12 (6) Elephunk Black Eyed Peas A&M 13 (7) The Singles 1992-2003 No Doubt Interscope 14 (14) The Best Of Leann Rimes Curb/London 15 (8) Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Outkast Arista 16 (13) Final Straw Snow Patrol Fiction/Polydor 17 (12) The Soul Sessions Joss Stone Relentless/Virgin 18 (18) In The Zone Britney Spears Jive 19 (11) Permission To Land Darkness Must Destroy 20 (15) Come Away With Me Norah Jones Parlophone 21 (17) Life For Rent Dido Cheeky 22 (22) Blink 182 Blink 182 Geffen 23 (16) Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand Domino Recordings 24 (9) Greatest Duran Duran Emi 25 (19) Dedicated Lemar Sony Music 26 ( ) Satisfaction Guaranteed - The Very Best Teddy Pendergrass Wsm 27 (25) The Look Of Love Dusty Springfield Umtv 28 (41) Body Language Kylie Minogue Parlophone 29 (23) Start Something Lostprophets Visible Noise 30 (28) O Damien Rice Drm/14th Floor 31 (26) Fallen Evanescence Epic/Wind-Up 32 (21) The Meaning Of Love Michelle S 33 (45) Afterglow Sarah Mclachlan Arista 34 (30) Three Sugababes Island 35 ( ) The Platinum Collection Barbara Dickson Sony Music Tv 36 (27) A Present For Everyone Busted Universal 37 (34) Scissor Sisters Scissor Sisters Polydor 38 (24) Free Me Emma 19 39 (29) Get Rich Or Die Tryin' 50 Cent Interscope 40 (35) Greatest Hits Red Hot Chili Peppers Warner Bros
What's gone wrong with this country?
― redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― zappi (joni), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― pete s, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)
1 FEELS LIKE HOMENORAH JONES( EMI ) 2 FALLENEVANESCENCE( EPIC ) 3 CLOSERJOSH GROBAN( WBR ) 4 ELEPHUNKBLACK EYED PEAS( INTERSCOPE ) 5 VERY BEST OF SHERYL CROWSHERYL CROW( A&M ) 6 2004 GRAMMY NOMINEESVARIOUS( BMGH ) 7 SPEAKERBOXX-LOVEOUTKAST( ARISTA ) 8 SOMETHING BEAUTIFULGREAT BIG SEA( WEA ) 9 JUNO AWARDS 2004VARIOUS( UNI ) 10 LONG ROADNICKELBACK( EMI )
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)
10 (6) Under The Pink - Tori Amos (East West) 9 (9) Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales (A&M) 8 (-) Saint Etienne - Tiger Bay (Heavenly) 7 (7) M People - Elegant Slumming (deConstruction) 6 (5) Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell 2: Back Into Hell (Virgin) 5 (2) Dina Carroll - So Close (A&M) 4 (-) The Cranberries - Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? (Island) 3 (4) Bjork - Debut (One Little Indian) 2 (2) Enigma - The Cross Of Changes (Virgin) 1 (1) Mariah Carey - Music Box (Columbia)
― Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)
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― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― pete s, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)
i must admit i have a ridiculous soft spot for "The Closest Thing To Crazy", but only because the Mike Batt connection reminds me of a time when these things weren't so controlled by a tiny clique ... there seemed to be more quirks, more individuality around. Jamie Cullum is a cultural nadir of humanity, and symbolises everything that is wrong with Britain in 2004. don't waste your time worrying about Engelbert Humperdinck compilations (such things have always charted from time to time); fight the real enemy within, and turn the screw on Cullum and the anti-culture which created him.
(edit, re. "Bunged Up"'s post ... oh god, i know, i know, i know ...)
― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rock Bastard, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
http://base58.com/ilx/uk40album90b.gif
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)
interesting stat - where did you get it from?
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― pete s, Monday, 15 March 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)
as for Keane, they're merely another example of the ongoing tendency - in the 60s, the vast bulk of British pop music came from the south-east and the West Coast Main Line corridor, whereas now it's become so central to the culture, and the Americosceptic heartlands of wariness of its influence (both Old Tory and Old Labour) have been so systematically eroded, that you get people like Keane, who in the post-war years would have been Young Conservative bank clerks, choosing pop music as just another career (the idea of a band from Battle, Sussex getting to number three in 1966 would have been completely unthinkable, Troggs and Dave Dee notwithstanding). pop music is just *there* now, so they don't think what they're doing is in any way *significant* (compare to, say, Reg Presley's "this kind of feeling could move a nation"; *he knew*) - the sound of "Somewhere Only We Know" is the sound of a cultural form completely immersed in the fabric in a way unthinkable even ten years ago, saying nothing and being nothing.
the tedium of bands like that i would call "Wienerisation", after the man who did most to encourage ideological loathing of the conservative middle classes' wariness of pop culture and thus allow pop music to slip further and further into the background and have less and less *drama* and *impact* to it. Keane are merely a sociological aftereffect; they mean nothing in themselves, and they wouldn't pretend to, but their existence and doubtless massive future success says a lot. born in the Thatcher years, they can't remember a time when conservatism - even in Sussex market towns - wasn't merely another flavour of the Coca-Cola culture / McCulture (whatever you want to say), and therefore they see it as perfectly natural for the most conservative dullards to make a career out of pop music. what Lostprophets are to the miners' strike, they are to the sackings of Lord Carrington, Francis Pym et al. can you imagine the sort of people who like "Somewhere Only We Know" thinking much for themselves? i can't. at least Chris Martin is politically dead right in most of his beliefs. Keane are *nothing*.
― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― omg, Monday, 15 March 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)
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― LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick H (Nick H), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― chouxfleur, Monday, 15 March 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)
Slowly, softly and apparently unstoppably, easy listening and jazz have come to dominate the UK album chart. In this week's Top 10, Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum and Norah Jones have charmed CD buyers while middle-of-the-road giants Daniel O'Donnell, Engelbert Humperdinck and Harry Connick Jr have lumbered back into view.
Of the few pop acts that remain in the Top 10, the mellow Zero 7 and newly-soulful Will Young sound distinctly adult. So how did every day come to sound like a dinner party?
"People like melody and quality in music, and there are a lot of good songs around right now," says Colin Martin, executive music producer for BBC Radio 2.
"During the 90s, the chart was dominated by high-energy tracks with little to appeal to a broad range of album buyers.
It's been like a bolt from the blue
Stephen GrahamJazzwise magazine "Now there is hardly anybody who will not enjoy the current albums by Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum or Lionel Richie."
Jazzwise magazine co-editor Stephen Graham traces the current jazz and middle-of-the-road (MOR) revival to pianist Diana Krall, whose album When I Look in Your Eyes was a global hit in 1999.
"Diana Krall tapped into the lucrative adult market and paved the way for Norah Jones," he says. "People liked the fact that Norah Jones was a young singer-songwriter and she had phenomenal success."
Norah Jones sold 19 million copies of her debut album Come Away With Me, including two million in the UK.
This is all about lengthy careers, rather than just making music for today
Colin MartinBBC Radio 2 "That success has continued with her new album, by which time she had in turn paved the way for Jamie Cullum's £1m record deal," Mr Graham says.
Industry magazine Music Week attributes the rise in easy listening to "Des and Mel, [Michael] Parkinson and beer adverts".
Exposure on TV and radio has dramatically boosted sales, but Radio 2's Colin Martin believes the new accessibility of albums is another vital factor.
"In the past, some people may not have wanted to go to record shops to search out these artists, but now they can just pop them in their basket at a supermarket," he says.
Jamie Cullum has won a place in both the album and singles charts Whatever the reason, people aged between 40 and 49 have been inspired to buy more albums - accounting for 19.1% of total album sales in 2002 compared with 16.5% in 2000, according to British Phonographic Industry figures.
The popularity of MOR and jazz has led to a sharp contrast between music formats, with the albums chart topped by artists who find it difficult to conquer the youth-dominated singles chart and vice versa.
The fact that Katie Melua and Jamie Cullum have already enjoyed top 20 hits may bridge that divide, however.
"Even a widely-respected jazz artist such as Courtney Pine never made it into the singles chart," says Stephen Graham. "It's been like a bolt from the blue."
Everything in music is cyclical - I can already detect a backlash
Stephen GrahamJazzwise magazine Will the appeal of mellow jazz and MOR artists continue to broaden? Colin Martin believes so.
"We continue to champion artists such as Amy Winehouse, Damien Rice and Sarah McLachlan because we believe strongly in artistic development," he says.
"They have the potential to keep getting better and better. This is all about lengthy careers, rather than just making music for today."
Stephen Graham is not so sure. "It's the flavour of the month right now, but everything in music is cyclical," he says. "I can already detect a backlash."
― Redman, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)
"People like melody and quality in music, and there are a lot of good songs around right now," says Colin Martin, executive music producer for BBC Radio 2. "During the 90s, the chart was dominated by high-energy tracks with little to appeal to a broad range of album buyers.
"Now there is hardly anybody who will not enjoy the current albums by Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum or Lionel Richie."
Yeah right...
― Redman, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― pete s, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Still haven't played it.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Redman, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)
― AMD (AMD), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)
― retroboy, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)
Geir is right - fuck the album chart, I don't give a monkeys, let it rot.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)
Teardrops era? Fried? Jehovahkill???!!?
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)
isn't the american chart based on radio play, though?
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)
"Trampoline" at 78 rpm?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)
The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) trade body said sales were up 1.4 per cent between July and September 2005.
It said the rise came despite "grim reports" about low consumer confidence and the London bombings hitting sales.
The BPI attributes the rise to the success of acts like singer James Blunt, who sold a million albums in the period, Coldplay and Kaiser Chiefs.
Seven UK acts were in the top 10 artist albums chart.
Blunt's debut Back To Bedlam was the top-selling album in the period.
His single You're Beautiful topped the quarter's singles chart and has also become the best-selling download of all time.
X&Y by Coldplay was the second highest selling, followed by Kaiser Chiefs' Employment, Forever Faithless - The Greatest Hits by dance act Faithless and Demon Days, the second album by Damon Albarn's cartoon band Gorillaz.
BPI chairman Peter Jamieson said: "Our members invest millions of pounds each year in new UK artists, and time and again music fans choose to buy British.
"It's been a tough summer on the high street, but these figures demonstrate the enduring appeal of great British music."
It was not all good news as compilation album sales fell by nearly 20 per cent on last year
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)
Ross fulfilling the BBC public service commitment by not forcing us to listen to Ms Dynamite or next big things Louis XIV.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)
How does anyone say anything like this with a straight face?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)
I was talking about the U.S. album chart
― AMD (AMD), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)
They are forced to watch 24 hours of Jim Davidson & Jimmy Carr as training.
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)
― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)
(Sade is not particularly melodic btw, her music is repetitive in a very "jazzy" way)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)
The American demographic is of course more likely than the European one to buy archetypical American music, even into their 30s and 40s. Hip-hop, R&B, hard rock and country are all archetypical American music genres, and it is more natural for Americans to like them than it is for Europeans.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)
I'd rather fuck the single charts. Not a lot of value there at the time (although somewhat more of value in the UK singles chart than in the US one it must be added)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 October 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 13 October 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)
Many middle-aged parents are now buying more CDs than their teenage children, according to figures from the British Phonographic Industry (BPI).
Neil Sedaka is benefitting from a more mature audienceIn 1963, Neil Sedaka was a teen pop sensation who thought his career was over.
Forty-three years later, he's playing at the Royal Albert Hall and has just had another UK top 20 album.
And he is not alone. Over the last few weeks, Andrea Bocelli, Russell Watson, Il Divo, The Carpenters, Barry Manilow, David Essex and Johnny Mathis have all had hit albums.
The top 100 is strewn with records that can only be described as easy listening.
And it is all a reflection of a significant change in the music industry - the power of "mum rock".
Forty-somethings now buy more than twice as many pop CDs as teenagers and the gap is growing every year.
So what is happening?
Downloading is one factor explaining why teenagers are buying fewer CDs, especially when it comes to compilation albums.
Barry Manilow first appeared in the charts more than 30 years agoBut there is another trend - older people are buying more music and going to more concerts.
The average teenage record buyer now spends 25% less on CDs than they did five years ago, whereas the average 60-something CD purchaser is spending 30% more.
For the last five years, sales to under-30s have been going down - from 43% to 34%.
Older consumers (over 40s), especially women, have been increasing their share of the market - from 33.5% to 45%.
And the biggest growth is among older women. Women over 50 now buy almost twice as many albums as teenage girls and the charts are now reflecting their tastes.
Lifelong fans
So what accounts for the change? One reason is that today's 50- and 60-somethings have grown up with a culture of music buying. Buying records is often a habit that begins in youth and carries on through life.
But there is also a big change in the way CDs are sold.
Supermarkets now make up a large part of the retail market. Sales have gone from around 12 million in 2000 to around 40 million a year today.
Prices have also fallen, making a CD an impulse purchase that can be popped in with the groceries rather than an expensive treat that could only be acquired by visiting often dark and noisy music stores.
But on a more general point, it means the generation gap that used to be reflected by music is fast disappearing and it is the 40- and 50-somethings who are now pop's biggest fans.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)
I suppose it was only a matter of time until mum rock came along to replace dad rock.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)
The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) report found 59% of over-50s had bought an album in the previous three months and 29% bought at least six CDs a year.
Favourite artists include Il Divo, Rod Stewart, Tony Christie, Katherine Jenkins, G4 and Ronan Keating.
The BPI said older music fans were driving a growth in sales.
"Nearly a quarter of all albums are bought by older music fans, and that percentage is set to grow as the UK population ages," spokesman Matt Phillips added.
Only 4% of over-50s own a digital music player but 23% intend to buy one in the future, the study found.
Classical popularity
The study also found 59% of over-50s said music was an "important part of their lives", with classical music the most popular genre.
Easy listening and country music were also popular, with 64% of respondents saying they liked rock music.
Some 45% of those surveyed said they listened to BBC Radio 2, with local stations attracting 53% of respondents.
One in five said they listened to Radio 1 each day, more than the 15% who listen to Radio 3 daily, but less than the 34% who tuned into Classic FM.
The survey was carried out by an Age Concern research panel, which surveys a sample of up to 10,000 over-50s on lifestyle issues.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)
Maybe theres a museum somewhere accusing 18th century music critics of rockism.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)
― dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 21 April 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)