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image of a group: image of a group consists of those elements which separate a group from other groups. The image can be the sound of the group, the look of the group, the idea of the group and the way the group is written about.

A photograph of a group is a big contribution to whatever the image of the group is. Some times there will be a photograph of a group in fashionable clothes, where the group is smiling and looking very much of the moment. Eventually they will slip from the moment, and will become a kind of ghost haunting other times and moments. But at the time the photograph was taken, they were this group, adopting this image, claiming this image, trusting that this image made them different and special.

A photograph of an object or an animal, something not human, can also suggest what the image of a group is.

A piece of typography can indicate the nature of the image of a group.

Colour and shape used in art work and for various marketing items can also suggest what the image of a group might be.

If a group used for their record cover a photograph of, for instance, a fruit, say a fig, and there were no photographs of the people in the group on the sleeve, and the typography used in presenting the work of the group was quite sparse and even cryptic, you would quickly begin to analyse what the image of this particular group might be.

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

btw: this is ? a marketing discussion / ? a shameless atempt to create interest and intrigue.
thanks *wink*

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

NEWS: the image of a group release their first album on the Palm Beats label in June 2004, entitled 'for the time being'. Featuring the voices of John Moore (black box recorder, jesus and mary chain) and Hannah Robinson.

www.serviceav.com

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Their first album which will be instantly boycotted by all ILMers, their friends, family, pets etc. Well done www.serviceav.com!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry if I caused offence Dadaismus. I am personally involved in Image of a Group, and thought that starting a discussion regarding the questions implied by the name would be interesting to some people here.

> If you spam the board moderators are likely to lock or delete your threads. What counts as spamming? - obvious advertisements, other than for events you are personally involved in.

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatevah

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, then. "Image of a Group" is

1) Too much like "Public Image Limited"
2) not enough like "PIL"
3) ends.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

You forgot

4) Shite

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, John Moore strikes me as a nice bloke, but...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

John Moore is a very nice bloke.
And has a nice voice.

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

...in other words BUY HIS RECORD

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

no, you miss my point. It's not about selling records, just exchanging ideas.
please clarify your anger

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine Dadaismum foaming at the mouth in fury every time he sees a commericial on tv/an ad on the side of a bus/a glossy leaflet drop out of a magazine/etc.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Please clarify your butter. Next time I go to the counter of a record shop with a CD clutched in my sweaty paw I'll be sure to tell the nice assistant that I don't actually want to buy it, I only want to "exchange ideas".

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

A place for everything and everything in its place, Jerry, old chap.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed: some adverts are more shocking / thought provoking / funny / sad / artyclever than the content that bookends them.

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But yours is not one of those

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ahhh ahh Hoist by thine own leotard....

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

... or maybe it is, ha ha

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

by melting and skimming the solids off the top perhaps...

― service audio visual (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the first useful thing you've said all day

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's allow the abstract matter of whether p(r)omo can be interesting or not to slide... Does the opening post on this thread provoke? Evidently, though perhaps in a trivial way.

Isn't founding a group on the considering of the semiotics of the group a rather old-fashioned idea? What is to gained from focusing on it? The pseudo-science of branding has shown how really, semiology has just given marketing men another language to feel self-important in. That a pop group is the sum total of glimpses, hints, rustles, denotations and connotations is self-evident to a Busted fan, for example.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

So you'll be buying their record then?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll possibly be buying their argument.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Have they copyrighted it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd like to start ILJTN

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

*Oh fuck, there's two of them

(*see heckling thread)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I think this represents a daring, exciting and radical new concept designed to focus the mind of the consumer on the product / packaging / marketing concept and simultaneously blur the distinction between product / packaging / marketing concept by making the concept of the marketing and packaging of the product intrinsic to the very fabric both of the packaging and even of product itself!

No, wait....

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005ATHK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

.... I think its' something XTC did back in 1978.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ILSO

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

pop (history) will (rep)eat itself (again)

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The XTC sleeve is possibly an interesting chapter in the history of the difference between irony and sarcasm.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouldn't that read:

pop (marketing) will (rep)eat itself (ad(vertising) nauseum)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

perhaps it should.
who wrote the xtc sleeve notes?

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone in the marketing department of a record - i.e., a person of microscopic import

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...of a record company, of course. Microscopic imports - now there's a marketing idea.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

are you sure? surely in 78 marketing wasn't quite so knowing?

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

also a good label name

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it was someone at the design agency Hipgnosis.
http://www.optimismsflames.com/ArtGo2.htm

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

surely in 78 marketing wasn't quite so knowing?

What is there to know? And, yes, it is glib and irksome enough to have been Hipgnosis.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Blimey, a good hipgnosis sleeve...

Marketing in 1978 was just beginning. Before that, singles almost never had picture sleeves as "there's no demand for them"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

... but but, albums always had sleeves and marketing's been around forever

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

ta for that: funnilly enough Storm is a friend of a friend of a friend.
hmmmm

― james b (image_of_a_group), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Storm Thorgeson - the Kevin Bacon of the music biz

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

s.a.v.: you are paul morley and I claim my five minutes!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this thread about dianetics?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.vrc.iastate.edu/kosuth.gif

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

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