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ok so who do i hafta see? no way i miss mcphee and i've been told i better go see maneri. fill me in plz! what night do i make absolutely sure i ain't gotta work? why?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 20 March 2004 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

um, http://www.acmefestival.com/

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 20 March 2004 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 20 March 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm writing about this for the local paper, and so I've tried to do a little bit of reseach listening over the last couple of weeks. I really liked:

Vandermark 5 - Simpatico
Vandermark 5 - Acoustic Machine
AALY Trio and Ken Vandermark - Live at the Glenn Miller Cafe
Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Saturday, 20 March 2004 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

april 1st- peter brotzmann duo (I'd put that at a higher prority than the chicago tentet)
2nd- mcphee of course
3rd- joe maeri trio instead of the vandremark five (they didn't quite do it for me when i saw 'em but i haven't seen maneri).
4th- chicago tentet

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 March 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I second (or third) Joe McPhee and Vandermark Five. My plans to see McPhee in NY last summer were squashed by the blackout, but I did catch Vandermark in Detroit a few years back and it was a very good show.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Saturday, 20 March 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

School Days is a Vandermark group that I like better than the V5. Check them out if you get a chance. I recommend catching Joe Morris, too, probably the solo set rather than the ad hoc thing.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 20 March 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

They sure seem to like their jazz pale down there...

― usualchannels, Saturday, 20 March 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, that said, McPhee and Brotzmann are both incredible. McPhee solo and live is mind-shattering and haunting. I've wanted to hear Mr. V's Schooldaze thing, as it is (I believe) a tribute to soprano saxophonist Steve Lacy. However, his Freefall group is a tribute to the wonderful Jimmy Giuffre! (Again, pale anyone? It's not like these aren't great artists performing, and being honored, but geez, except for McPhee, you'd think it's all about whitey...).

― usualchannels, Saturday, 20 March 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

My must-see pick out of that line-up would be the Brotzmann duo. Then maybe the Vandermark 5. McPhee was pretty good the one time I saw him, but not especially mind-blowing. The Chicago Tentet could be interesting, but I wasn't that impressed when I saw them.

― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 20 March 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Vandermark 5 is the most accessible, and I do like them, but you can probably see them anytime.

Personally I'd be most intersted in the Brotzman/Nasheet Waits duo, 'cause Nasheet is the shit and also the one guy on that lineup who really sticks out as not being in that Chicago/Vandermark scene.

I love Mat Maneri's playing, so that duet/trio should be pretty good.

No idea what "The Thing & Joe McPhee" is, but it sounds cool (he should play a soundtrack to the John Carpenter movie! OR IS HE?!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of Brotzmann, here's something that NYC free jazz fans should be aware of:

Saturday March 20th- PETER BROTZMANN & MILFORD GRAVES at 8 & 10pm at
8pm Vision Club Series downstairs at St. Nicholas Church - 10th St. & Ave. A

― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 20 March 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

But it will be hard to choose between that and this:

EUGENE CHADBOURNE & MARC RIBOT at 8pm at Issue Project Room - 619 E. 6th St. (bet. Ave B / C)

― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 20 March 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd go for brotzmann/graves just cuz they are a bit older but you know, I just hate you ppl for being spoilt for choice.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 March 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

interesting comment by usualchannels but maybe that's all whoever put the line up could've got together at the time.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 March 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The only School Days alb I've heard featured a guest geezer on vibes and I don't think Vandermark touched the soprano, nor were there any compositions/dedications to Lacy or Giuffre. Great rec, tho' - imagine a ballsier, freer versh of the current Dave Holland group

Yes Joe McPhee's performance in London last year was one of the most magical jazz gigs I've ever been to - the combination of players, audience and venue was spot on, I hope you're as lucky, JB

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 20 March 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

interesting comment by usualchannels but maybe that's all whoever put the line up could've got together at the time.

It looks like there's really only 15 guys involved in the whole thing, they just all play in different bands together. Which is fine, it just seems like a showcase of that crew and a cheap way to fill out the lineup.

(heh, I didn't even look at first to see that it was in GA, I just assumed it was in Chicago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 20 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It looks like there's really only 15 guys involved in the whole thing, they just all play in different bands together

Yeah--I was a little quick to judge, definitely. Thanks for being nice about it, you all...

Also, I was only partly right about Vandermark's groups. This is from a Village Voice article on Vandermark:

"Free Fall is Vandermark's clarinet-piano-bass trio, named after Jimmy Giuffre's famous 1963 album. But unlike Ken Vandermark's Joe Harriott Project (Straight Lines), this isn't a tribute band, just one that tries to create something new within the framework of Giuffre's lineup and language. Their debut, Furnace (Wobbly Rail), feels tentative. The first half (mostly Vandermark pieces) tests the band's parameters, while the second half (mostly pieces by bandmates Havard Wiik and Ingebrigt Haker Flaten) slouches into prettiness. But neither half sounds like Giuffre any more than, say, Mingus sounded like Ellington—most obviously, Vandermark's clarinet is dirty and musclebound, like his sax. Free Fall is the second of Vandermark's album concept bands. The first was School Days, named after the Steve Lacy-Roswell Rudd Quartet album. Jeb Bishop plays Ruddish trombone, but Vandermark takes his cues from '60s saxophonists like Archie Shepp."

...I'm dying to see Brotzmann's Tentet. Anyone know whose playing in it?

― usualchannels, Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd go for brotzmann/graves just cuz they are a bit older but you know, I just hate you ppl for being spoilt for choice.

Ah, yes, the travails of being a jazz fan in NYC. I have to admit, as a dabbler in guitar myself, the matchup of Chadbourne & Ribot may prove to be irresistible - though I suppose if the set doesn't run too long, I could always catch Graves & Brotzmann at 10 afterwards.

― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

>Anyone know whose playing in it?

It's a Chicago band, so it includes Ken Vandermark, Mars Williams, Kent Kessler, Hamid Drake, Michael Zerang, Jeb Bishop, and, um, three other people. I think McPhee's a member, in fact. (I used to have that 3-CD set the Tentet put out, but I was bored by it and sold it.)

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 21 March 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

But it will be hard to choose between that and this:

unfortunately both of those events were on Day 2 of the No Fun Fest or I would've checked out one of 'em.

― hstencil, Sunday, 21 March 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

All of the Brotzmann appearances and Joe McPhee for sure.

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 21 March 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

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