what is the rarest opinion you actually possess?

Rare in that I don't even think Ned shares that one.

You are correct.

That Roger should be committed to Bellevue for ever connecting the smashing pumpkins with MBV in any way. okay, that's my 3rd opinion but i'm
sticking with this one.

Corgan's always admitted he's ripping off the MBV guitar sound! You couldn't NOT connect the two! (Not that Shields cares much, I'd guess.)

I dunno anyone who didn't like that album

BUT...if talent indeed borrows and genius indeed steals, Corgan is genius to have stolen his ideas from the tremendous talents of Shields and improved upon them.

I mean, come on - song wise, you'd rather listen to friggin' "Only Shallow" than "Mayonnaise"??? I'm sorry I can't accept that.

Picture both songs as piano rolls for a player paino - which one is better now? Which one would you rather hear Sufjan Stevens cover?

Exactly.

Hey, I clicked on this thread *expressly* to post that!

Uh, neither?

Jaymc, Ned - OK, OK, all I was trying to do was think of a reputable singer-songwriter that everyone seems to like who'd play it straight, thereby allowing the 'tune' to emerge - feel free to substitute Sufjan with Jackson Brown if you prefer

*this does not reflect my feelings towards family members. I am fairly normal sexually, whatever that means. I just think it should be allowed if that's what people want to do.

At least as much as everytone makes them out to be.

(I've tried to find several excuses to start buying their albums from first to, oh, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath at least -- but could never get moved enough by the records.. I'm not denying their blistering influence on almost all hard rock, certainly, but I think they're one of those bands who I'll end up appreciating more for their importance than their actual recorded output)

This is a cultural reference I don't get...what does it mean?

Uhhh...have you actually heard a Pete Rock album?

2. Republic is at least an 8.5, perhaps closer to a 9.0. New Order's third or fourth best.

3. "Molly (16 Candles)" and "Hey Jealousy" are two of the best singles of the 90s.

4. "Sister Ray" by the Velvet Underground is the best dance song of all-time.

Yeah, those will all do pretty well.

I've actually just sold back all my old Sabbath discs in anticipation. (Good thing too, I think those were all masters from 1987 or something.)

... Zappa fan, that is.

I like a lot of his work and spend way too much mental energy & time trying to imagine what An Actually Good Zappa would look like, trying to separate out the Zappa I can't stand from the Zappa I like

definitely the ultimate "but i can fix him" artist

they definitely exist but most times when I meet a fan of Zappa we spend most of the time just bitching about him

You must move in peculiar circles if you're bumping into Zappa fans that often.

I DJ prog rock sets lmao

Trying to imagine being willing to admit being a Zappa fan to a stranger in public.

So would the rarest Zappa opinion (in 2024) be "I only like the gross stuff"? Maybe in the 70s there were fans who felt this way, but connoisseurs of present-day grossness have a cornucopia laid out before them.

yeah maybe "Zappa is funny" would be a rare opinion. but then again we are a self-selecting group, I'd guess that on "yellow snow" uploads there's dozens of "NOW THAT'S SOME HUMOR...SORRY IT'S NOT 'PC'!!" comments

Given up on Zappa ages ago, but along slightly similar lines my favourite Bonzo Dog Band LP is Let's Make Up & Be Friendly, no contest.

"Zappa is funny" would be a rare opinion

Not just "Zappa is funny", but "I hate his pretensions and only like his humour".

from "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" on YouTube

@roughbeast
1 year ago
No other has combined humour, complexity, superb orchestration and beauty like Zappa has done. We miss you Frank.

@tonydardi332
5 years ago
This stuff was so far ahead of it’s time it’s still ahead of its time.

@matty2470
3 years ago
This really is as good as it gets, right? It has the most perfect balance between, music, theater, humor and bonkers originality that you only get with Zappa on top form

@brianoneil9662
4 years ago (edited)
Thanks to this song "Great Googlymoogly!" and "Right upside the head of my favorite baby seal" and "destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology " enttered the lexicon of slang for my friends and I back in middle school in the late 70s. It wasn't just the lyrics though. Lyrics without a good tune are just bad poetry.

@user-mm7xr8if1u
2 months ago
This album is insane. Gawd, I've never danced, head-banged, and laughed so much in my days. Goofy, hilarious, much humor, savant-genius, prog, orchestral, bluesy, bipolar rock. I think Frank's brain was too big for his body.

@HughMorristheJoker
3 years ago
This stuff would never get out of the basement these days. No one takes chances anymore. Thank the great googly moogly for zappa!!!

just let people listen to what they like

― brimstead

This is the most controversial take I’ve ever read in here.

I just did search on YouTube for "zappa yellow snow reaction" and there are lots of videos I do not want to watch.

My rare and genuinely-held opinion: the best song either Paul Simon or Art Garfunkel have ever been involved with is "Bright Eyes".

just let people listen to what they like

― brimstead

This is the most controversial take I’ve ever read in here.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, August 21, 2024 5:26 PM (one hour ago)

without rancor or anything, but what do you wish would happen on a music discussion board? just recommendations -- no opinions that gainsay somebody else's pleasant experience? I'm not a hater, I do think finding 1000 ways to say something sucks is boring, but "critical conversation is bad" is weird to me -- when somebody doesn't like something I like, I take pleasure in discussing that thing with them, in seeing the thing I like from different angles and in presenting my own case for it. I don't really understand why we would be on a music discussion board if we didn't begin with the proposition "there's pleasure to be had in discussing music."

No I just think if someone says they “hate jazz” there’s really no point to “get them into jazz” and its kind of rude and patronizing actually.

Ween is kind of like if Zappa was more entertaining. Still not funny, but entertaining.

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

JCLC and Moka otm. Haters are essential. No one should feel safe enjoying music imo. People should look over there shoulders as soon as they press play on Unknown Pleasures. Public morality should not be blasphemed!

More seriously: the existence of the inner critic presupposes the outer critic. And a respectable human being should respect the outer critic inasmuch as they respect the inner critic. Solipsism is dud in all forms

Ween is kind of like if Zappa was more entertaining. Still not funny, but entertaining.

but Ween are very drugs, and Zappa is very not-drugs

That's what Chris said

just please forget my post, okay?

of course criticism is good, I’m thought it was about random people in the office saying they hate jazz or something.

Neil Tennant on the power of negative thinking:

https://selectmagazinescans.monkeon.co.uk/showpage.php?file=wp-content/uploads/2010/12/hate.jpg

I think Zappa is funny when he's off the cuff, there are several moments in Apostrophe that make me laugh but I think its all stuff that's improvised

speaking of The Beatles, i was listening to the robo-oldies station in the car this morning and they had an actual deejay on for once, (the first i'd ever heard on there) and he was going to play "Come Together" and he said that he loved Aerosmith but that they had ruined the song and that...and here is the rare opinion...NOBODY SHOULD EVER COVER THE BEATLES.

that was actually the first time i'd ever heard someone say that! thus, actual rarity.

I like that cover. And Michael Jackson's.

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

Blame the Wombles

i prefer EWF's Got to Get You Into My Life.

that isn't my rarest opinion, I'm just throwing that in.

rarest opinion is that I think Princess Bride is execrable and annoying and I'm tired of hearing its quotes and seeing its memes

I prefer George Burns' version of "Fixing a Hole". How's about that?

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

― idiot savant vs. genius stupide (flamboyant goon tie included)

wait did angela morley have something to do with bright eyes

i'd never thought about the idea of angela morley superfans before but - this is a compliment - it makes total sense that you'd be one :) i'm not an angela morley superfan, i basically know her for, well, the thing you'd _expect_ me to know her for

if there's any work of hers you particularly recommend, though, i'd love to hear those recommendations!

so do I! xpost

speaking of The Beatles, i was listening to the robo-oldies station in the car this morning and they had an actual deejay on for once, (the first i'd ever heard on there) and he was going to play "Come Together" and he said that he loved Aerosmith but that they had ruined the song and that...and here is the rare opinion...NOBODY SHOULD EVER COVER THE BEATLES.

that was actually the first time i'd ever heard someone say that! thus, actual rarity.

― scott seward

i have spent literal years finding covers i enjoy of every single beatles original released under the beatles name between 1962 and 1970, so, uh. hard disagree i guess?

my preferred cover of "fixing a hole" is duffy power's, for the record.

still finding new stuff, btw. just now listening to Lisbeth's cover of "Your Mother Should Know" under the title Äitisi tietää sen. better than the original for sure.

This is an Angela Morley track from the Watership Down OST which I love unreservedly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMtaOfg6wnE

She didn't write Bright Eyes, that's by Mike Batt of Wombles fame.

yeah there are plenty of incredible Beatles covers out there, felt like standard practice until like 1980 to do at least one on your first album at least, oftentimes it was the highlight too

personally I think XTC and TMBG are just as brilliant when it comes to songwriting but I haven't really found a cover of either that I really liked, Beatles songs just feel more flexible I guess

if there's any work of hers you particularly recommend, though, i'd love to hear those recommendations!

Apart from the Scott Walker albums you mean?

pulling weeds is really satisfying and kinda fun

i just heard someone say that two hours ago.

dang, not so rare

my rarest opinion is that streaks on the china always mattered before

"dang, not so rare"

i know, right? i was in the endoscopy waiting room at the hospital waiting for my dad and a surgeon was telling a mother not to have too much sugar in the house for her kid and when they were done telling the mom not to have cereal and juice around a nurse pushed the surgeon playfully into the window where there was a small rooftop garden and she said that she needed to get out there and weed and that she actually really liked to weed and that it was very satisfying and that it cleared the weeds in her mind.

Lol I don’t know if me responding to brimstead’s post was not understood as a joke but it was a joke. I think discussing music is fun for some, but ultimately people should just listen to what they like.

… Preferably on headphones if its Joy Division.

my rare opinion is that you people drool and joy division rules!

Yeah, I mistaked a few days ago. Angela Morley composed the score for Watership Down but had nothing to do with "Bright Eyes", I always thought she'd been a part of it! I was wrong

Angela Morley is second in-my-book only to Nelson Riddle insofar as genius arrangers go. Obvious answer to kate about "where should I start with her?" is Scott 3.

i've hung around too long listening to the old landlady's hard-luck stories

You out of me, me out of you
We go like ILXors
To replace the empty space
Repeat our posts to someone new

the 3-day-old mod request's a cold trembling leaf

With their arms round each other the two ragged ILXOrs
Laughed through a war that they couldn't see

Apart from the Scott Walker albums you mean?

― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.)

well gee, i never made that connection... i remember looking at the credits of the old cds i have when i first got them, but they credit her under her deadname, and it just... never clicked in my brain, haha. i really only knew her for her work with, uh, the goon show!