Someone said I had a letter to the editor and I am horribly concerned it is horribly embarassing, but I guess I am not cool enough to have gotten a copy yet.
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)
That said, I think Chunklet is NOT overrated and is actually deeply, deeply hilarious and smart (if aggresively and affectedly contrarian).
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)
There was an uproar about the proposed "Rich" issue, which would allegedly out all the trust fundee stars of independent rock.. then they backed out.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)
they were paid off.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)
haha.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)
HOWEVER..
Had they turned it around and perhaps implied a more critical commentary on how much more middle/upper class well known musicians are becoming in general because being well funded is becoming the only way to sustain the independent rock/electronic/etc. scenes (which could be a true or false hypothesis), that would have been far more interesting.. then again, far less funny.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)
Dan - I wasn't implying anyting other than the fact that the label is clearly more interested in generating 'sales' than it is in promoting good music. It's also, at the end of the day, a crap label run by a rich kid.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)
This is, like, 99% of all record labels.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)
What specifically were they complaining about -- the principle of the thing or that they themselves were being named ("I'm not rich! I'll tell you who the REAL trust fund bastard is...")?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)
He's written for Chunklet before, too.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)
poor people win
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)
And, you know what, I take umbrage with the claim that it's a "crap label." If you don't like the music he puts out, fine, but that doesn't mean the label is CRAP -- as a label, he's amazing -- he puts out TONS of shit each year; all different types of stuff (some of which are very cool and clearly labors of love, i.e. reissues and stuff -- Metamatics, Death Comet Crew, etc.) and he's VERY accomodating to record collecting nerds like all of us (and himself) with everything.
I realize I shouldn't even take Roger's bait on this, but those comments are just completely wrongheaded.
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)
Where to begin here? Dan's post actually made me angry (first time that's ever happened on ILM) but I got over it as soon as I realized that Dan has probably never tried to put out a record or book a show or any of that stuff - because if he did, he'd soon realize that an asshole with a rich dady can put out a mediocre, sub par piece of bargain bin-ready garbage and get a full page ad for it in Magnet, while there's some amazing band of 15 year olds rocking out in a garage in Nowheresville right now who no one will ever hear because they don't have the money or 'contacts' to get heard. Trust fund labels (and trust fund, ahem, 'artists') flood an already overcrowded marketplace with complete and utter shit simply because they CAN.
Ben - perhaps we each have 'inside' information that refutes the other's claims re: Troubleman, but I really don't even want to give it the time or space on ILM. I say it's a crap label, you're free to waste your money however you wish.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)
none, except for the records that he has put out and the shows that he has booked.
xpost
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)
What about the "trustafarian" labels that DO put out "amazing" 15 year old rockers? What about all the "crap" bands that can't afford the contacts? It works both ways.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)
but if one of them had a trust-fund, they would get heard, which is a good thing, right?
Roger, if there was no rich people, there'd be no music. We'd all be eating hay.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)
Sorry, not sold. But like I said, it's not a big deal. I'm not arguing on behalf of the poor punkers all over the world - it's just my opinion. You might say some of my friends have already been this fucked.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)
Chunklet is like contrarian, contrarian, contrarian, man. For the record I like Chunklet, its just the new issue is the 'overrated' issue (though perhaps they all are) in this case its overrated albums.
But I guess it got him in DEEP shit with Merge Records, who had been his biggest supporter at that time.
Maybe they made up cause one of the people who said I was in it was Merge-related.
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)
Either way, there's no black and whites about this, just lots of grey areas. It's nice to think of an ideal world where everyone is a self-made person and suceeds solely on the quality of their work or whatever...but for the rest of us, we work it the way we have to, and some very rich people have helped some very poor get their music heard.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)
i can't stand the negativity though.
it's way too fucking easy to be the two old dudes up in the balcony cracking on kermit.
chunklet lately seems like the mad magazine of the rock world. nothing is sacred. and sure there are definitely times for that, but it's not something i'd clutch to.
m.
― msp, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)
Roger, now you're getting at your issues w/ Troubleman. First you complain that he's a rich kid putting out crap records for the money. I contend that's not the case. Is the issue that he doesn't push or promote artists on his label that don't sell 17,000 copies?
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)
Actually, Roger, this happened to be on the Other Animals tour before they really blew up, and certainly before they sold said 17,000 records. Had enough fun putting your foot in your mouth yet, or would you like to go for the hat trick?
― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― adam (adam), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)
YANCEY, DO TELL. I'LL DO ANYTHANG.
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)
Adam/Hex: I don't see how the fact that "fag" jokes are allegedly acceptable means that it's then okay to crack AIDS jokes (It's AIDS, dude... are you that solipsistic that because your world hasn't been affected by something that's a fucking worldwide crisis then it's okay to joke about it??). I know, I know, typical self-righteous bleeding heart liberal indie shit, but jesus christ --
Besides, the comment in question about Merritt sort of soured the joke of the issue -- calling assholes out on their asshole-ness is one thing, but calling someone an asshole (even indirectly) because of his sexual preference (and then punctuating it with a crack about a disease that has killed so many pointlessly) takes the whole thing from snarky and "Mad"ish to just cruel and hurtful. Again, though, it was one sour spot in an otherwise brilliant issue -- and the editor's mea culpa was classy and smart.
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)
(Dan, I'm still waiting on that one CDR you said you were gonna burn? *sniffles*)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― chuck, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)
The newest Chunklet was weak...except for the H. Jon Benjamin interview.
― ddb, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)
can someone write this up for those of us for whom it isn't obvious enough that we can entirely synthesize it on our own, please
― common_person (common_person), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― common_person (common_person), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
fucking m. doughety from soul coughing did it better in might.
AND
patrick was never a rock star to begin with, and there's hardly a man less nervy about the whole business than him.
but patrick, if you read this, i still love you! where have you been hiding these past few years??
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― chuck, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― the entrepeneur chicken shed his tail feathers, surplus, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)
"So Chunklet (which I've never read) is like Magnet would be if they let that douchebag who writes the back page write the whole thing?"
More like Andrew Earles (Magnet hatchet job hack), who's a Chunklet contributor too.
― the entrepeneur chicken shed his tail feathers, surplus, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)
tigerstyle WAS funded by insound. i know this because i spent all day packing insounds orders while watching the tigerstyle guy sit at his desk 10 feet away from me, picking his nose.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 March 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)