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Albums that when originally released didn't receive much attention ( or were hated, even), but were later deemed "brilliant."

Beastie boys - Pauls Boutique
Weezer - Pinkerton
Neil Young - Tonight's the night

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones - Exile on Main Street

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Velvet Whatsisface and Something

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Albums that when originally released didn't receive much attention ( or were hated, even), but were later deemed "brilliant."
Beastie boys - Pauls Boutique
Neil Young - Tonight's the night
Stones - Exile on Main Street"

oh, horseshit.

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres75.php

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres89.php

No poll in '72, but I guarantee if there was, *Exile* would have finished pretty darn high, too.

― chuck, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't rolling stone or spin call paul's boutique "the sgt pepper of rap" when it came out?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the kinks' late '60s albums, especially "something else" and "village green preservation society." i have no doubt some critics liked 'em, but they sold a combined total of about seven copies at the time.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

And what has changed about those Kink's albums?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

they sold no records in america because they weren't allowed to tour here, right? They had some huge hits in england during those years. Waterloo Sunset, David Watts etc

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

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well, now they're regarded as ALL-TIME CLASSIC ALBUMS THAT SOLD SEVEN COPIES COMBINED. instead of just PRETTY GOOD ALBUMS THAT YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T ROCK OUT LIKE THEY USED TO THAT SOLD SEVEN COPIES COMBINED.

that's got to be worth something.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Painted Desert Serenade" by Joshua Kaddison.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)Hahaha but I don't see where there has been any sort of critical shift (people who heard them then liked them a lot, people who hear them now like them a lot, they still don't sell a great deal, etc. . .)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not even sure what the question is about. Is this critical flip-flops we are talking about or cases where the public has come around?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just thinking of albums that were considered minor for whatever reason in their day (critics or public or just general who-cares) but are now considered major.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

but then again, i wasn't the one asking the question.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)According to WHOM?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

again, I imagine, from it's impact, that Something Else must've done pretty well in england, at least the singles had to have been pretty significant. Village Green came out too late and like Odysey and Oracle, suffers from the "would've blown the world away had they come out in 67" dilemma. By 68 they both seemed dates as everyone was going more roots rock or hard rock. Only with time can we just listen to them as albums and not put them in that context.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

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according to THEM, obviously.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah the question is baffling cuz #1 was beloved by critics and ignored by fans, #2 was (I think) sort of ignored by critics and loved by fans, and #3 was totally loved by critics and loved by fans, but didn't sell particularly well (and still doesn't).

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha so wait the Kinks didn't acknowledge the CLASSICNESS of Something Else back in 1967, but now they have come around.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

dan: the kinks had some successful singles in england during those years, including "waterloo sunset." don't know how "something else" did, but the next couple albums, "village green" and "arthur," sold poorly even in england.

i'm not so sure how much it had to do with timing, though. "village green," if anything, was the polar opposite of, say, "sgt. pepper," which i assume is the quintessential '67 album. it was completely stripped down where "pepper" was orchestrated, and completely small-town where "pepper" was urbane. i just take it for granted that stripped-down down-home folk-pop albums with the occasional harpsichord on them aren't going to be commercial blockbusters.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha so wait the Kinks didn't acknowledge the CLASSICNESS of Something Else back in 1967, but now they have come around.

i'm not talking about "them" THEM. i mean the other "them"! the universal them. THEM.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

at this point, i have no idea what i'm talking about, though i suspect i may eventually come around and acknowledge the classicness of my own thinking.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, THEM.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

funny, I don't see it that way. I see Village Green as being quite baroque, sure it's folky at times, but it also has it's moments of ornate whimsy and orchestration, which I think would make it hold up nicely against the Sgt. Peppers and Pipers at the Gates of Dawns, but not so against the post-psychedelic stuff that was getting popular towards the late 60s? I thought it was convential wisdom that Village Green and Odyssey and Oracle's failures were both attributed to timing, re the sound. Whereas the Kinks must've been pretty popular in england during Something Else, just judging by the popularity of those songs. Just not in america.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Big Star?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Bark Psychosis, maybe, at least in the US?

― otto, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

vashti bunyan

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was convential wisdom that Village Green and Odyssey and Oracle's failures were both attributed to timing, re the sound.

Considering "Time of the Season" was the biggest hit the Zombies ever had (in the US, anyway), I think deciding to break up before its release was a bigger factor.

(and is the whole thread based on sales or citical perception, cuz Exile went, like every other Stones LP in the 1970s, to number 1 on the album charts)

― Vic Funk, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

As a U.S. kid in the sixties, I heard nothing of the Kinks between Sunny Afternoon and Lola. (Couldn't find them at the stores either). When I purchased Kronikles in '71, I knew I had missed some great music.

I'll never know how Face to Face would have directly compared to Sgt. Pepper at the time, but the Beatles didn't do anything like Big Black Smoke or Dead End Street.

― jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

jim, there's a whole story about that, the kinks weren't allowed to tour america between 65 and 69.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

apropos to nothing, i remember reading something where david gilmour said that had syd barrett not lost his shit that gilmour thought that syd would've ended up like ray davies (and would've beat davies at his own game).

only "lost album" that i can think of that hasn't been mentioned already would be cybotron's clear.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

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