ILM namedrops in the press

Double Shocker from Canada!!!

bitter fuxx from trashy free weekly and fading used-to-be good and relevent boho paper now my god can anyone get through an article name drops ilx - the place where the writers post in a desperate norma desmond type way. i'm off to shotgun blast my own head off, now.

Dre abandons album. The 'webboarder' was me. Ah well.

(admit have not read the previous post)

I see this as a potentially great career move for you. It can only help improve the syntax of your sentences.

I found the "ilm poster" reference annoying for the reason jaymc pointed out.

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/category.php?catid=50

Is this one?!

Back when he was Five, Ben Folds made punk rock for wussies. With a goofy drawl and sloppy piano-fisting (SFW, natch), Folds alternately threw stones and built glass houses. He'd mock a too-cool coterie of nose-ringed goths and closeted ex-Cure fans (ah, those innocent pre-Killers 1990s!), then let his guard down for ballads about heartbreak and, yes, the abortion that hurtled the Five through fame's window like a post-Final Four student rioter's "Brick". His hipster-baiting, sincerity and modest fame guaranteed a few nasty reviews, sure. Still, Folds challenged cred-consciousness before crying "rockist!" was OTM. Wussy, yes, but worthy.

www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/folds_ben/songs-for-silverman.shtml

and this bitchy article about it -- http://blaggblogg.blogspot.com/2005/06/music-critics-are-stupid-and-pointless.html

lol @ the people in the comments trying to figure out was "otm" means and coming up with "over the moon"

lololol

how come no one posted the pitchfork Steely Dan record review here yet?

Lemme get this straight: Awesome French house duo Justice is launching a fashion line ... and all they've got are some generic-looking hipster jeans and leather jackets (pictured)? I mean, I guess they're cool and all, but I just can't get behind this. No magically morphing t-shirts à la the "D.A.N.C.E." video, no credibility!

haa

For the record, OTM is a favored abbreviation of I Love Music, a forum Pitchfork correctly (for once) describes as a "music critic circle jerk." It's short for "on the money," or "on the mark," something like that. If you really want to feel some self-loathing, check out ilxor.com.

The funny thing about that comment is that, while skewering Pitchfork and music criticism may be OTM (!), ILM is pretty much free of the vices attributed to these sources, regardless of how many crits hang out in ILM. It's music fans talking about music, not music crits trying to blow smoke up gullible readers' butts.

"Though its title suggests otherwise, "Cool Love #1" is actually not a long-lost Fagen/Becker 70s basement jam (sorry, Ilx!)...:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/download/41243-blitzen-trapper-cool-love-1-mp3

If you really want to feel some self-loathing, check out ilxor.com

otm

The thing about these little references in criticism and on blogs is that sometimes you can't recognize if the person is actually an ILXor.

The phrase that sums this up = "dependency breeds contempt"

Discussion of things on the internet is increasingly just one giant festival of pre-emptive schadenfreude

I have seen several cases of people in RYM's discussion forum referencing to acts as "owns this thread" etc. Is this something they have picked up here as well?

hah nabsico i read that as decency breeds contempt as was like ok fair enough

the ilm-mtv throwdown: it is so on

^that shit was just weird

Geir: No, that's not an ILX-specific thing.

wtf using 'OTM' in an album review - this is like bringing your kids to work or something

haha

am dropping 'no will arnett, no credibility' into a review right now.

I don't think Pitchfork of all things really counts as "the press" because I'd expect pretty much everyone involved to have at least a passing familiarity with ILX.

except the reader

hip hop is TOTALLY invested in its own canon its totally bizarre to suggest otherwise. its constantly referencing its own history, the very building-blocks of the genre (sampling break beats) is canonical at its very core, I know tons of hip hop fans (like, say, ME) who don't give much of a shit for the here and now of the genre compared to its (arguable) golden age of the late 80s/early 90s etc

xp

I only recently heard paid in full for the first time, and i felt like i knew every single line the whole thing had been quoted so much

r&b was a form that was birthed by SINGLES not albums

Which makes it non-canonical by definition. The Canon is about the album as an artistic statement, not about the pop single as a commercial success. The Canon is built upon the values of classical music, not upon the values of popular music.

lolz do tell which classical albums from pre-1900 are in the canon

the canon originates in biblical teaching so deciding that something that came after is foundational to its structure is O_o also

And note that there was no rock canon at all until the baby boomers invented it. The idea of a rock history didn't exist until the late 60s. Before that, also white music geeks would only care about the here and now.

I mean basically your position is there is no musical canon prior to 1965 or so? wtf

xp

really, which beatles albums are not the teachings of the lord?

lolz do tell which classical albums from pre-1900 are in the canon

A lot of symphonies, and operas are. And they are there as full symphonies and operas, not as just one popular movement pasted from a symphony.

i remember that summer, in the studio, layin down tracks with handel

I mean basically your position is there is no musical canon prior to 1965 or so?

There is a jazz canon, and a classical canon. But really not a rock canon. Save for maybe "A Hard Day's Night", very few rock albums from before 1965 are ever seen in lists of the best albums ever. This in spite of the fact that rockers had been making albums since the mid 50s.

man, the day beethoven came up with that dun-dun-duhn-duhhn intro, everyone in the studio was so stoked, we knew we had a hit on our hands

BAN GEIR

There is a jazz canon, and a classical canon

which are not album-based. but when it comes to r&b, all of a sudden, it's required to be album-based! wow how does that work

how about the blues canon, can we throw that in there too?

and country. is there a country canon? the Carter Family didn't make albums.

The jazz canon is definitely album based. "Kind Of Blue", "A Love Supreme" etc.

geir the point he is trying to make is that the album as the unit of canonicity in rock music is no more legitimate than sheet music is to classical, singles to R&B. The notion of canonicity is so much older than the invention of the rock album, that to claim it sets precedence for other genres of music is givin me eczema on my head

I would say blues and country are largely about the here and now. Those Gram Parsons, Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson albums that are often cited tend to be cited by rock fans rather than country fans.

The jazz canon is definitely album based. "Kind Of Blue", "A Love Supreme" etc.

poor Louis Armstrong, no canon for him! You neither Ellington, or Basie, or Bix Beidercecke. get the fuck outta here

I would say blues and country are largely about the here and now.

oh yeah no common thread of tradition or respect for history in either of those forms, nosiree

why I bet Dwight Yoakam has never even HEARD of Hank Williams

http://www.countrymusichalloffame.org/full-list-of-inductees

As for Satcmo, Ellington etc. Well, they are part of jazz history, but hardly the jazz acts that are still being referenced and checked out. That is rather "Kind Of Blue". Just the way Elvis Presley is definitely considered part of rock history, yet very few of his albums perform very well in those albums of all time lists.

The notion of canonicity is so much older than the invention of the rock album, that to claim it sets precedence for other genres of music is givin me eczema on my head

you might even say it was *gasp* ROCKIST to do so

xp

As for Satcmo, Ellington etc. Well, they are part of jazz history, but hardly the jazz acts that are still being referenced and checked out.

this is fucking retarded, not to mention completely wrong

like, I think Stanley Crouch and the Marsalis bros (and Ken Burns lol) would disagree with you

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goddamn it geir

"Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington were (and are) two of the main stems of jazz. Any way you look at it, just about everything that's ever happened in this music leads directly -- or indirectly -- back to them."
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gzfyxqegldse

"For the casual fan, disc one will provide the thrills, but disc two offers serious fans insights into the process of collaboration between the two most important jazz musicians of the 20th century."
http://jazztimes.com/articles/11516-the-great-summit-complete-sessions-louis-armstrong-duke-ellington

xpost: agreed, that's what I meant by saying hiphop takes the canon as it's subject and foundation; there'd BE no hiphop without its relation to earlier recorded music.

Not sure why, after years here, this would be the first issue I'd start a Geirfight over, but it's been kind of like boxing a shadow; he's redefined pretty much every noun phrase in his original post (only geeks are "fans," only teens care about the canon but they aren't true fans, only hiphop/R&B is "black," only albums are canonical). Those redefinitions are all wrong of course. I suppose it's sort of gratifying that he's done something different here than his standard blithe refusal to engage in a conversation about what he's saying.

those guys dunno what they're talking about - jazz canon is strictly 1960-1970, Geir said so

xp

that xpost was for you Shakey

blues and country are largely about the here and now

seriously can't get over this one in particular either. yeah, nothing's more CONTEMPORARY and obsessed with the present than the blues. Why just the other day I heard a poor sharecropper moanin about the twitter

A+

was followed by autotuned harmonica solo

autotune harmonica sounds kinda rad actually

i LOVE the new taylor swift single, "are you sure shania done it this way?"

(actually, now that i think about it, taylor should write and record that, stat.)

lol

geir otm

dare you to say that three times in a mirror

at midnight

Off The Meds?

I ignore categories whose boundaries I can't discern. What do you all do?

(By the way, this thread revival has ruined this thread's potential usefulness, should we come to learn in July that jaymc has mentioned ILX on Jeopardy.)

blues and country are largely about the here and now

seriously can't get over this one in particular either. yeah, nothing's more CONTEMPORARY and obsessed with the present than the blues. Why just the other day I heard a poor sharecropper moanin about the twitter

― famous for hating everything (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, March 19, 2010 10:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lmao

quality post

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seriously can't get over this one in particular either. yeah, nothing's more CONTEMPORARY and obsessed with the present than the blues.

Blues is largely about form. The blues form is a very old one, but it is being used by various (often amateur) musicians in the here and now rather than the old bluesmen's albums being bought as back catalogue items to a particularly large extent.