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NOT TO BE MISSED

ONE NIGHT ONLY MONDAY APRIL 12, 8:00 PM

SUN CITY GIRLS FILM AND VIDEO PRESENTATION

SCG WILL BE IN THE HOUSE TO INTRODUCE + Q&A

THEATER LOCATION: 32 Second Avenue at Second Street. TRAVEL: F train to 2nd Ave or 6 train to Bleeker or 2nd Ave.-M15 bus to 3rd St.

Monday April 12, 2004 at the Anthology Film Archive
Sun City Girls and Sublime Frequencies present:

The Sublime Frequencies Archive
(2004/Video/Color/45 minutes)
Excerpts of sight and sound from India, Thailand, Burma and beyond. Edited in collage-style, this document covers a stunning variety of mood, music and magic from some of the most seductive areas of the globe. Created for THIS event only and NOT to be missed!

The Pesky Suitor
(1995/Color/ 22 Minutes)
A Film by Karen Young (Live Introduction by the filmmaker)
A dying man attempts to stave off death by falling in love with a young girl in this 1995 film starring Sully Boyar, Claire Danes (her first film), Lola Pashalinski, and Richard Collie. Music by Sun City Girls (several cues from "Torch of the Mystics")

The Air in a Roomful of Weirdos
(2004/Video/Color/45 Minutes)
A Sun City Girls production of captured music, odd scenarios, and situational extremism delivered without anaesthetic OR acknowledgement to the cult of public opinion. (All material is unreleased and never before seen!)

SCG Question and Answer period after the Film presentations

― theserth (the serth), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

gonna rule so hard. better be some uncle jim shit in there.

― brock (brock), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

and there i am.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder if they'll be showing a similar program ("created for THIS event only and NOT to be missed!" = duly noted) at either of their chicago / empty bottle shows (5/7, 5/8)? i heard that at least one of those was a screening, but of what?

― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Special Power Drinking Set at the Mars Bar after the screening. Alert local authorites.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Alert Pest Control.

The Mars Bar is Naaaaaaaasty.

― ddb, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

just say no to the mars bar.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ya'all know they're playing around the same time with the no neck blues band? tour dates posted on suncitygirls.com

that will be a bomb evening. i personally invite you all to smoke pot with me between sets/before the evening begins.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 3 April 2004 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

toniiiiiggght. who's going? and what does this cost?

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 12 April 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

just say no to the mars bar.

oh, shush.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 12 April 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going, I think it's like $12?

― hstencil, Monday, 12 April 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm seeing the two-night extravaganza in Louisville this weekend (six hour drive each way! but that's the closest they'll be playing, oh well...). Been playing all my SCG/Sublime Freq. discs and my brain is about to explode. Ya know, even if they dress up like hobos and dance around a fake campfire, I'll probably still be the happiest guy on the planet...

Riiiiiaaaaaahhh! BA-DA BA-DA BA-DA BA-DA!! (or whatever they're singing)

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 12 April 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not going because I have work to do.

i would've liked to see Currituck Co. and Devendra at Lit as well...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, I'll be in Louisville tomorrow, but not over the weekend.

― hstencil, Monday, 12 April 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going tomorrow night to the Coral Room.

― scott m (mcd), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

you guys realise they're not playing live tonight, right?

― a, Monday, 12 April 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, I can read, thanks for asking.

― hstencil, Monday, 12 April 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

must you always be such a dickhole?

― a, Monday, 12 April 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

im gonna be at the philly show

― brock (brock), Monday, 12 April 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

must you always be such a dickhole?

only to condescending pricks like you, fuckface.

it was a good time, all told.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Joel!

You g-d dickhole..tell us more about the screening tonight.
I stepped off a Fung Wah at 9:45, so I couldn't make it.
No way I'm paying full-price for tomorrow's show either...

Russ

― Russ, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

fucking Russ man, if you weren't unemployed, I'd tell you to not be so cheap.

The screening was great. The first video was a collage piece, really nice varied amount of stuff from India, Thailand, Burma and Laos. The most interesting parts to me were the Tibetan monks in Dharamsala and the Nat Pwe Ceremony from Burma (different from the Nat Pwe DVD they've already released).

The film with Claire Danes was a little too student film for me, but not horrible, and the music from Torch of the Mystics fit pretty well.

The second video was mostly random Sun City Girls performances from all different times, some psychedelic collages, a few Charlie Gocher video pieces, and a bizarre news story on 9/11 from Chinese TV. Oh and a video for "Calcutta Codeine Coma" which was nice.

The Q&A was all right except some people ask the dumbest questions, you know?

I'm back in town Friday night, lamer.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone know what time the show at the Coral Room is tomorrow(tonight?)

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

and two seconds later I get this in an email from the Coral Room booker Matt:

"NNCK at 830pm, the Girls at 930pm"

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

damn that's early.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't even get out of work untill 9pm, but I also have "issues" w/ NNCK anyway, so I'm not to upset about missing them.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

supposedly it's sold out.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"NNCK at 830pm, the Girls at 930pm"

can i go on the record as so saying that's so fucking lame! this is new york city! WTF

― duke billiard, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks!

I heard that SCG sucked at Gladtree, and I was (somewhat) let down by the show I saw at Knitting Factory...wish I'd gone to see them years ago at CBGB's with Thinking Fellers.

These films sound great though.

― Russ, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the films tonite were awesome!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

:...(

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"NNCK at 830pm, the Girls at 930pm"

From the Coral Room website it looks like there's some event after the SCG/NNCK show.

― scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo Selzer, what are your "issues" anyway? I'm sure we're all curious.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure you're not all curious, but I've never liked their music.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, i was curious too.

i'd love to go to a nnck / sgc gig. you lucky new yorkers.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I love NNCK's music, it's their SMELL I could do without.

― ddb, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

and Jeff should also know that I hated them during college in the mid 90s because the girl who was the love of my life 15 years ago from summer camp dated a few of them while I was making free "music" in the corner of a basement in rural ohio, and no, Thurston Moore didn't write any articles about me, nope, not one. So there you have it, you gossip-hungry hordes, although above and beyond such petty concerns and bitter jealousies, I found the records really boring, but Jeff shouldn't take offense at that, since, as I've stated quite often and quite publically, I think his other/more recent concern is really cool and much more up my alley/aesthethic.

I hope you all enjoyed this post as much as me.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i love you, dan.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

NNCK are really quietly epochal if you ask me. in fact until black dice became great around 2000 there was almost nothing else besides them going on in NYC environs which was successfully not the same ol' stagnant bullcrap. i appreciate selzer's support of jeff's "other/more recent concern" obv but sexy's experience there (and some of the rest of ours' watching it go down) totally helps to inform what we're doing. it's definitely not a side project, but i'm personally proud to be connected, however indirectly, with the legacy of one of the top three (along with dice and AC) trailblazing NYC groups of the last 15-20 years. check letters from the serth people if you haven't already
unfortunately i cannot see them tonite because they have to play early, so an all-CD, faux seedy, apparently 5 hour "dance" party can go down later.

― duke water, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

MESSAGE TO CORAL ROOM: Keep the mermaids in the fucking tank and don't double-book when you got national acts in the house!

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, thanks.

― CORAL ROOM, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand NNCK's relative importance to people and the context and whatnot, but they're impact on me was zilch(other then the aformentioned) you can say NYC was stagnant before and it was stagnant after...or you can say there was always some interesting stuff going down, but I never cared for their sounds, and as it is known by some, don't have strong feelings about Black Dice either. When I moved back to NYC in 97 to be confronted by thousands of bad rolling stones wannabes, I found that aspect pretty stagnant, but wasn't to moved by the idea of NNCK going on, nor did Black Dice's appearance make a dent in my desire to stay home and watch TV.

There was a degree of "losing my edge" going on when the press claimed NNCK as the cutting edge saviors in a time when many others were and had been doing the same thing for quite some time, and it's not as if they popularized it, or brought it to the people or whatever. What was the impact beyond making music some people like and adding a sort of hippy aesthetic to the free noise/improv scene? I'm not saying that those two things aren't all thats required, the most anyone can hope from anyone is that a band would make some music that some people liked, that's it, but around 95/96 people acted like NNCK was the most important thing in the world, 1 year old 7"s were going for 30 bucks, etc...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

that is to say, I'm expressing that old "losing my edge" bitterness a bit, acknowledged, but still stand by what I say.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"around 95/96 people acted like NNCK was the most important thing in the world, 1 year old 7"s were going for 30 bucks, etc..."

see to you this was annoying but i wish i had been around that. i was only 20 and it was all j church and sebadoh (and no there's no connection to me there with "free" anything, forget it) and star trek (nope) around me at the time. cripes.
this is part of the reason i'm sure that (a)no neck and (b)the dice ahd such an effect on me, because i was not privy to all these other purveyors, that you were sort of lucky to have known about in the first place even if that sounds ridiculous. and those 2 bands in particular get points for actually bringing their work to regular folks' attention, even as it inspires hostility sometimes. you don't seem to fall into that category mind you, as you just weren't/aren't satisfied, but it is interesting when that situation is forced to a degree, as it really does reveal where people are at or what they are even capable of countenancing. it almost brings up childhood issues for people or something, it sometimes does seem to get that intense.
when that stuff happens it is great and not boring to me.

― duke tonka, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah...I give Black Dice credit for the transitions they've made, I think in doing so they've drastically changed many people's awareness of music, dragging insular screamo post-hardcore fans into the worlds of noise, improv, psychedelia, krautrock and a whole more varied and eclectic aesthethic, and I say that without really being into the music. I just always saw NNCK as a more insular, elitist operation.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Putting on free shows in public parks all the time ... that's elitist???

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well sexy it's partly true right? literally partly?

― duke sear, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yes.

no. you got me. You know what I mean, I don't mean strictly elitist, maybe it's just a vibe, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. I remember have specific gripes with certain releases, certain articles, but it's been almost 10 years since I've really thought about this. Don't take it personal, most of the members or affiliates I've met have been plenty nice, I just wasn't into the music.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just giving Dan a hard time. I mean, everybody knows the no-necks can be snobby dicks when they want to be. And maybe that's part of the reason why somebody quit the band? But there's a deeper dimension to the picture... the music.
Their dedication can't be faulted.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

a deeper dimension...you mean the drugs, right?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

gotta respect sexy for his candor here, man.
by the way selzer is this karen o/ spike jonze thing true or not?

― duke query, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

and who's going to see Neil Hamburger this week at Pianos?

duke, what are you talking about? Lauren? Do you know what he's talking about?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah come on lauren give it up

― duke who, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i know what he's talking about. there's one amendment...

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the fifth. which i plead.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

booooooo

― duke over, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, hush.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll spill the beans about how much drugs I took in 95/96 if you tell about all this celeb sex we ain't havin.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

jeff, they were wrong, so we drowned

― duke beat, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

hey jeff, do you realize you were at the very first party I DJ'd in New York City in january or february 98? A tiny house party in Cobble Hill. You totally scared some of my friends. I just remembered that.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, blame LY for dragging me out of the house while I was TRIPPING ON ACID. That was a fun party -- they tried to throw me the second I stepped in the door.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

kind of an albatross the scary thing, or canard.
he's certainly nicer than me, folks.

― duke observer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i went to that party with karen. how times change...

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I calmed down once I switched to cocaine

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

space is the place vol. 2

hey lauren hold up your left hand if.....aw fuck it

― duke plug, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

QUACK

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i would imagine that serious lawsuits would follow if columnists just totally made things up. doncha think?

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

wow i want to hear certain bands' next records and certain directors' new movies now. i might even review one.

(cue chorus "NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!")

― duke outfront, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I would've gone to that Anthology Film thing last night..... But I went to sleep instead.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

my friend josh told me about it at length. during the chinese 9/11 thing you apparently could have heard a pin drop in there

― duke fit, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

People outside NYC really have no clue what a heavy hex 9/11 is to people inside NYC. That chinese shit was beyond ill. Looked like a plane flying into Hell.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm... SCG made a couple tasteless 9/11 jokes when I saw them play a secret show in SF a couple years ago. These guys aren't young "jolly jokers" anymore, I thought it was a pretty cheap shock tactic.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Lauren, that party was way before your, or Karen's time, so you're not half as cool as you think. It was Leeman's birthday party right after we graduated.

Aaron, thanks for coming to Motherfucker friday...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the Chinese DVD is what I've been hunting for 2.5 years -- dog barking and machine gun sfx dubbed over 9-11 news footage, intercut with scenes from Die Hard and Armageddon? The box says "Starring Tom Hanks" -- it was released the week of 9-11-01 in Beijing, and as far as I know never made it to the US. Stronger voodoo than the Girls, yeah I guess.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah Lauren, the party you and Karen came to was the one house party I ever held after I had moved to Cobble Hill, that was almost 2 years later, where the DJs were Oliver, Aaron Brenner, Morgan Geist and myself, and I believe LY brought Jeff to that party as well. A lot of people were at that party.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, dan. i was thinking february 99. mea maxima culpa, dude.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Just to save my reputation I'll say I was only on acid at one of them.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

what did we think? I'll say the same as I said after the Knitting Factory show...too much jazz, not enough rock. Cool version of X+Y=Fuck You, can't say I know the names of anything else they playes, or recognized much. Good Uncle Jim monologue at the end, definately enough high moments to make it worth the trip, but not as much ethno-art-power trio-rock as I'd like.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with you Dan. It was more NRBQ than expected. I really liked NNCK though.

― scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

from listening to the records, SCG aren't a rock band.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd imagine last night's show was mostly an artifact of Charlie Goucher manipulatin' the lips of the President, many horse miles away. He even made him dance a couple times, and turn red in the face.

Dan, you must have seen the Saturday set last year. The Sunday night Knitting Factory show was super-rock, and a well-behaved setlist of recognized hits you secretly wish to hear reliably: "Eye Mohini," "Rookoobay," and plenty from Torch of the Mystics. Jackpot night at the gypsy lodge.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio...it depends on your defination of ROCK. I've got plenty of Sun City Girls records, relatively speaking, some of their stuff absolutely rocks, sure it's psychedelic rock, or a cover of some south asian melody, or the Fugs, but it's rock. When there's 3 guys improvising in a free-jazz style, it may rock, but it isn't rock, you know?

But they definately played some rock last night, including one song, I don't know if it was an original or not, that was very 50's oldies rock and roll sounding, and a great song near the end that reminded me of Henry's Dream era Nick Cave, the one about the city slicker coming to the country town and getting hanged.

I don't remember, I think I saw the sunday show because I had to see Savage Republic that weekend as well. The Knit show I saw definately was mostly rock, and I recognized stuff from Torch of the Mystics, but I remember there being enough "jazz" as well.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

last nite they covered "natural high" by bloodstone(?) which i don't know if it went over well but i thought was totally fucking awesome. i remember i used to hear bobbito play it on his radio show like 8 years ago so it brought my interests full circle so to speak. i liked the show, if i'm gonna see 'chops' i want to see those sorts of guys diplaying them and not genuinely bougie ones, you know? missed nnck i'm bummed

― duke blood, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

NNCK was excellent. Grateful Dead at their loosest and most primal minus the pesky songs.

― scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh c'mon, no one wants to bite on that?

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, man; i'm willing to bet the nnck have more than a couple dead records in their collections.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Word.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I sure enjoyed DJ Rob's heavy jams before the Girls went on. That f/i track killed. The SCG's totally blew my mind, too-- I loved the rant with Condoleeza as part of the "texas couch fucking religion", the Uncle Jim rant, the middle eastern psych-rock song, the filthy square dance number, the sea chanty where the guy got chopped up and made into a table --- so many ideas, total telepathic execution,...any reports from Philly?

― Brian Turner (btwfmu), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah rob ruled. my favorite jam was the tractor one

― duke arizona, Thursday, 15 April 2004 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

pls. someone tell us about philly; had i known they were playing with bardo pond there i may have gone... i could've crashed with some people there. it's not like i went to class this morning anyway.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 15 April 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

don't know rob but liked a lot of what he played. Did he play something from Sun Tongs? I was way in the other room for the first 20 min after NNCK and heard something vaguely like the Rabbit song I heard on Flux and could just tell it had to be another new track from them...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 April 2004 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah "everybody talking"
supposedly shout me out on it but i can't make my name out, or any of the many others'

― duke name, Thursday, 15 April 2004 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

ian, i was on my way there but had to turn around 30 minutes before i got into the city due to a pretty bad friend emergency. so so so bummed. bought two SF dvds to make up for it.

― brock (brock), Thursday, 15 April 2004 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The Taureg SF dvd is probably the equal of the "Color of Pomagranates" as far as deep night video goes. But's say the Girls' Inferno beats out Svankmajer's Faust by one half inch.

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 15 April 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

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