The Fixity Of Record Covers

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Inspired by - of course - the MS Paint thread. The thing with that is that you couldn't do it with books, say, because books very rarely have a 'set' or iconic cover. How come this isn't the case with records? How did the record sleeve come to be a permanent, unchangeable part of the package - and are there any examples of records which HAVE changed their sleeves, perhaps several times?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the second edition of noonday underground's "self assembly" had a very different sleeve to the original. their second album also had two different sleeves (the japanese one was radically different).

there's also a number of reissues with very different sleeves to the original pressings (e.g. Durutti Column CD reissues, although they vaguely incorporate the original art so this may not count)

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Part of it is that in most cases, a book's author will not be involved at all in the choice of the cover, so artistic intent and all that.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The only (slightly weak) example I can think of, off the top of my head, is Sneaker Pimps' Becoming X. The original - a printed circuit, the relaunch (post minor 99p multiformat-fuelled hit single) - their hott singer lookin' foxy.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://thunder.prohosting.com/~naznomad/dmd6.jpg http://www23.brinkster.com/lassy747/Images/damendmachinegunetiquette.jpg

Same album.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that really true Barima? I sort of assumed that authors would at least get a once-over of their book covers, or maybe I assumed that recording artists didn't get too much of a say, hmm.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Early doors special editions: "Infected" by The The came in a limited edition special sleeve with a horrible pic of Matt Johnson on it (and a free poster?) before being switched to the more common cover with one of Mr. Johnson's brother's paintings on. Sub-genre: special wrappings.

2. Banned or withdrawn sleeves: "The Man Who Sold The World" by wotsisname has two iconic covers, I think.

3. Different territories: I was thinking "Wilder" but you lot can probably name Beatles or Kraftwerk records which are better examples.

4. Aesthetic / commercial reasons: One of those LPs by the Motors ("Approved By The Motors"?) had its sleeve changed when the record company decided that the Motors' ugly mugs on the cover were putting off potential customers. ALso cf "Kilimanjaro".

5. Reggae.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

This one always struck me as a bit odd:

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/dre300/e307/e30792bv73v.jpg http://punkandoi.free.fr/clashlp2.jpg http://timebombzine.metropoliglobal.com/discos/portadas/give.jpg

Same sleeve, 3 different (all pretty much equally vile imo) type faces.

The band logo / script is usually seen as pretty darned important too - anyone know the story behind this one?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

also

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

man who sold the world had several covers right? my fave's the one that looks like ms paint

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Authors don't get much say over book covers. In my case, the art director had already chosen 8 or 9 photos from the picture library for me to look at - I narrowed it down to two and they went with one of those. For the paperback edition there was a different photo and I wasn't consulted, ditto for the U.S. edition.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a really neat thing in a mcsweeneys a few years back about nabokov and his paperback covers - fuming, etc.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Tico, with authors usually having several publishing houses for different foreign markets, covers will often differ right from the start from country to country. In addition, a lot of publishing houses will have some kind of 'house look' which they'll impose on all their books and which they'll update year after year, meaning that the reprint will get always get a more contemporary look.
I guess all this could be considered more as a symptom than the reason why authors are not more involved in that phase.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

hendrix's Are You Experienced? seems to have a different sleeve now to what I remember. This may be a UK v US version thing, with the US sleeve now becoming the global standard

Ditto Sly's There's A Riot Goin' On.

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Different recordings of classical works always have different sleeves, of course - maybe that doesn't count as they are distinctly different albums. But perhaps it's similar to different editions of classic literature (one restoring the 1928 foreword, one with footnotes, one with controversial glossary, etc).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

musicians are, generally, sexier than authors.

Jay Kid (Jay K), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh.

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Jay Kid has a point. For instance, a picture of the singer (who happens to be good looking) on the cover of an album does add something to that album. Maybe it's because music can take place in a live setting, so it's meaningful to know what the artist looks like and therefore, what kind of show they might put on.

Reading is a private thing, once the book is written, the author ceases to have any part in the reading process. What is important is what's between the covers, whereas the cover merely facilitates the advertisement of the author's name.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Every time Felt's LPs are reissued they're packaged in redesigned covers. I guess this is because Lawrence's idea of what Felt were all about changes with every new edition?

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 2 April 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the first sarah compilation, Shadow Factory, had the same picture in different colours for later pressings. Mine's two-tone blue but later copies were, i think, yellow and green. this seemed to be more of a whim of the label than the limited edition thing hopkins mentions above (the limited edition first run things tend to be more expensive, this obviously wasn't. in fact it must've cost them more to change it).

geek love also came in a rubbish sleeve to start with (a 12" inner sleeve with an a4 photocopy glued to it, probably only available in certain record shops in gloucestershire) but got a proper sleeve they got picked up by a label and could afford one.

(and, being cynical, i think the only reason book covers change so frequently is so that they can increase the price printed on the back)

(an interesting secondary question, probably off topic here, is books whose covers *haven't* changed over the years)

andy

koogs (koogs), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The first three OMD LPs were released in a variety of different covers:
The first LP (the die-cut grid) had a variety of different colour outers & inners, and two different non-die-cut designs too.
The second had a dreary grey design for the first edition, later replaced by a glossy black.
The third had a faded yellow design initally, later replaced by a kinda wedgwood blue. I seem to remember a few copies slipping thru the net minus die-cut.
Obv. the first LP was a "limited edition, collect the set" ploy, but I guess the others were aesthetic re-thinks after the fact.

harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't they (i.e. Virgin, presumably) change the sleeve for the first OMB album because it cost too much to get all the slots cut in it?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OMB? Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Bark?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

records are more collectable than books - or at any rate more people do collect them. so the fetish value is much higher. and they are marketed to kids who prefer their cereal boxes to change but records to stay the same.

in the vinyl era many covers had different versions in different countries. this changed with cd cos cds are more permanent-ish or something.

when old records are put on cd the cover is of course subtly changed - cropping, bordering, etc. and of course jazz reissues were always subject to change because the covers were usually so dated looking [a cool looking abstract art thelonious monk cover in the 50s looked pretty dumb in the pop art 60s]

when books go through x printings they sometimes get revised by the author or editor and that's a good time to give it a new cover. but of course whenever a musician touches up an old recording, their ans cry foul [zappa, ozzy, etc.]

mig, Friday, 2 April 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Taking Jay Kid's point further, I'd say popular music is way more connected with images than literature in general. Music sales have been helped so much by accompanying visual images, while literature is still largely disconnected. A good thing to look at is how few iconic covers there are from before the 60's.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Infected" by The The came in a limited edition special sleeve with a horrible pic of Matt Johnson on it (and a free poster?) before being switched to the more common cover with one of Mr. Johnson's


Yeah, those The The reissues all had different covers ...terrible, almost as bad as the originals. Johnson's brother's artwork makes me sick (not in the goodway).

ddb, Friday, 2 April 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget *Smell the Glove*.

JC-L (JC-L), Friday, 2 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

A good thing to look at is how few iconic covers there are from before the 60's.

well, but that wasn't because people didn't think the pre 60s singers were hot. their images certainly were used to sell the records; there are tons of cases where good looking people are on the cover who have no relation to the music inside.

back to the book thing first - what sort of books are sold by cover? pulp. this is why classical records have boring covers - they are highbrow, like classy lit. you shop for books by looking at a bunch of titles, and pull one out and read the first line; if all record stores had turntables i bet the cover would be less important. this is probably happening right now as listening stations become the norm.

i'm surprised no-one's mentioned the beatles yet, cos they were the first pop stars [of course] to take an interest in their lp covers [or who could waste effort on it] - they wanted some sort of plastic soul type drawing for rubber soul, i think, that was 1965. then next came zappa's kooky cover. i wonder what the first rock lp without a picture of the singer was - the yardbirds?

as for pre 60s covers - only 7"s sold in the millions in those days. the great lps of the 50s were constantly repackaged to add the latest hit single from the star. so it's an apples and oranges thing.

mig, Friday, 2 April 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any examples of records which HAVE changed their sleeves, perhaps several times?

There's at least three different covers to White Light/White Heat by the Velvet Underground. The first one with the arm tattoo, a reissue from the early 1970s that is a grey picture of toy soldiers and the version from the early 1980s that just had a solid black cover with the band name/title at the top.

Vic Funk, Friday, 2 April 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)


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