post punk: make me a definative c90

• Wire "Too Late"
• The Fall "Slags, Slates, etc."
• Gang of Four "I Found That Essence Rare" (peel session)
• Magazine "Definitive Gaze"
• Public Image Limited "Poptones"
• Mission of Burma "That's When I Reached For My Revolver"
• MX-80 Sound (don't know a good one offhand)
• Killing Joke "Tension"
• Swell Maps "The Helicopter Spies"
• The Gordons "Spik and Span"
• Tall Dwarfs "Nothing's Going to Happen"
• The Birthday Party "Dead Joe"
• Joy Division "Disorder"
• New Order "Everything's Gone Green"
• ESG "UFO"
• The Embarrassment (something)
• The dB's "Neverland"
• The Feelies (something off "Crazy Rhythms")

Surely, LOTS more I'm not recalling at the moment

Side 2: "Transmission," "I Am the Fly," "Savoir Faire," "Vociferous Slam," "Death Disco," "Getting Nowhere Fast," "Puerto Rican Ghost," "Optimo," "Launderette," "Moody," "C'est Fab," "That's How I Escaped My Certain Fate."

How's that?

let's let this thing run til the end of the weekend before i make/announce the tape. doing great so far.

Oi! I believe some This Heat representation circa _Deceit_ (newly reissued) is called for. "SPQR" is a fine fine fine slab of intelligent hectoring.

(and why you're at it, why not post the track listing for "wanna buy a bridge" too.) :)

sleepy time for post-punk boy.

Wanna Buy A Bridge?
1. Alternative Ulster performed by Stiff Little Fingers - 2:43
2. Mind Your Own Business (Delta 5) - 3:45
3. Man Next Door performed by Slits - 3:35
4. Aerosol Burns performed by Essential Logic - 2:50
5. Part Time Punks performed by Television Personalities - 2:36
6. Read About Seymour performed by Swell Maps - 1:27
7. We Are All Prostitutes performed by Pop Group - 3:11
8. Soldier, Soldier performed by Spizz Energi - 3:48
9. Ain't You performed by Liliput - 3:02
10. Nag Nag Nag performed by Cabaret Voltaire - 4:32
11. In Love performed by The Raincoats - 3:11
12. Final Day performed by Young Marble Giants - 1:20
13. Skank Bloc Bologna performed by Scritti Politti - 5:54
14. At Last I Am Free performed by Wyatt, Robert - 3:20

And maybe something by the Flying Lizards: "T.V." or "Hands 2 Take," say?

1 Bouncing babies - Teardrop Explodes
2 Novelty - JD
3 Rowche Rumble - Fall
4 Cold City - Spizz Oil
5 Suicide a gogo - Big in Japan (hilarious)
6 Red Planet - Comsat Angels
7 NagNagnag - Cabaret Voltaire
8 Are Friends Electric - Tubeway Army
9 Back to Nature - Fad Gadget
10 Nothing Special - Big in Japan
11 Love Song - Damned
12 New Way - The Wall
13 People Say - Go Betweens
14 He's Frank - Monochrome Set
15 Hunted - The Passions
16 7 Teen - The Regents
17 Lucky Number - Lene Lovich
18 They dont know - Kirsty McColl
19 Emotional Traffic - The Rumour
20 The Prince - Madness
21 Tears of a Clown - The Beat
22 On My Radio - Selecter

That's good overview. Very indie indeed.

I made a British post-punk tape 3 years ago now (lots of gaps cuz I didn't have lots of records) and wrote it up here - CAUTION GHASTLY FORMATTING!

And I actually don't mind starting with the SLF song, which is indeed doctrinaire punk, because everything else flows so nicely out of it. I mean, "Mind Your Own Business" is certainly a better song than "Alternative Ulster" (it's a better song than ANY other song short of maybe "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)," as far as I'm concerned...), but it's somehow more effective at spot #2 than spot #1.

Oh, one other serious omission I remembered: The Monochrome Set's "He's Frank (Slight Return)." I figured it out for my band to play a couple of weeks ago, and could not BELIEVE how elegantly constructed it is. It's like the post-punk equivalent of "The Importance of Being Earnest." (Which reminds me, pace "Part Time Punks," that there's a live recording of the TV Personalities I once heard where Dan Treacy sings the Siouxsie verse as "Then they go to Rough Trade/To buy the Monochrome Set/They hear John Peel play it/Every bloody night...")

And if WBAB? didn't already have Kleenex's "Ain't You" on it, I'd say Liliput's "Split," one of the happiest pieces of music ever--always reminds me of two-year-olds tearing around a room and yelling, in a good way.

My stab:

The Only Ones - Miles From Nowhere
Gang of Four - Love Like Anthrax (er...)
Wire - Dot Dash
The Cure - 10.15 Saturday Night
The Jam - (something lively from "Setting Sons")
PIL - Careering
The Undertones - You've Got My Number (Why Don't You Use It?)
Ian Dury and The Blockheads - Reasons To Be Cheerful Part3
Joy Division - New Dawn Fades

Side Two:
The Fall - Totally Wired
Wah! Heat - Better Scream
The Passions - I'm In Love With A German Film Star
The Psychedelic Furs - Sister Europe
Killing Joke - Requiem
A Certain Ratio - Crippled Child
Adam And The Ants - Kings Of The Wild Frontier
Orange Juice - Blue Boy
Scritti Politti - The 'Sweetest Girl'

Reviewing the above, it looks a bit laddish, actually. Some YMG, Raincoats or Girls At Our Best would probably help. It also stops at 1981, but I ran out of tape ;-)

Can I just note what a *fantastic* title "Wanna Buy A Bridge" is, please? Heh...

Oh! Another good PP compilation (on CD, out of print, though) is _Totally Wired_. It includes a few duds (Romeo Void, that "Hungry So Angry" song, eesh), but you've your "Totally Wired", your "Die Matrosen" (LiLiPUT / Kleenex), your "The Light Pours Out of Me" (Magazine), stuff from Delta 5 & the Slits & the Raincoats & Gang of Four, and a few interesting choices (Shriekback, Pylon). It's a damn good disc.

I'd go with "We Are Time" or "Thief of Fire."

Please don't let's start trying to validate those fops The Monochrome Set! Awful beyond words.

I remember hearing songs from a Blue Aeroplanes disc on some Cambridge (MA) area college station one time, late @ night, whilst driving back to *sigh* CT. It sounded quite post-punky (VERY unlike the other Blue Aeroplanes stuff I've run across). I dunno if they're seminal, but (at least on those tracks) they walk the walk convincingly. (Would this post-punky stuff be from their first album? Anyone?)

Oh, and BIG FLAME! Someone mentioned Big Flame, and I love thee for that. Anything after the first 3 tracks on _Rigour_ is utterly fantastic.

More obvious statements to come. ("Hey, the Swell Maps are GREAT!")

side a:

1. subway sect, "ambition"

2. human league, "being boiled"

3. the raincoats, "fairytale in the supermarket"

4. the slits, "shoplifting" (peel session)

5. pop group, "thief of fire"

6. joy division, "transmission" (live)

7. swell maps, "let's build a car"

8. magazine, "shot by both sides"

9. the fall, "slates, slags, etc."

10. the birthday party, "sometimes pleasure heads must burn" (peel session)

11. flipper, "sex bomb"

side b:

1. family fodder, "savoir faire"

2. liquid liquid, "cavern"

3. mars, "puerto rican ghost"

4. this heat, "spqr"

5. mission of burma, "heart of darkness" (live)

6. p.i.l., "poptones"

7. young marble giants, "final day"

8. scritti politti, "the sweetest girl"

9. wire - map ref. 41n 93w

many things left off, obv. (couldn't find my copy of "entertainment!" or "rigour", thought about buying one of the 23 skidoo reissues today but decided against it in favor of a clutch of used, copy of esg reissue lent to friend.)

And speaking of MX-80 (and, in the post immediately preceding this one, Australia), why is post-punk almost always synonymous with post- Pistols UK rock? I mean, other than the requisite nod to Pere Ubu (who were probably more proto than post), post-punk seems to be almost universally recognized as a UK thing. Surely this can't be true? What about the whole warped-hardcore scene that Forced Exposure covered, wasn't that stuff as much "post-punk" as Gang of Four?

bands he thought about including at one point, but didn't for whatever reason: husker du, meat puppets, swans, theoretical girls, esg, contortions, teenage jesus...

reasons why american bands are routinely left off the post-punk bill?:

hardcore? britain never really had it's "hardcore" (which in so many ways was even more doctrinaire than punk itself), and hardcore's straight and narrow definitions sort of preclude the fecundity of much of brit post-punk collected. but hardcore *was* (no-wave aside) america's *post*-punk. and many of the bands listed above didn't really get interesting until 1982-4, somewhat precluding the time frame i had set up for myself.

(And actually that new Rudimentary Peni EP that came out last year wasn't at all bad.)

Side B

1. The Mekons -- Where Were You? 2. Liliput -- Split 3. Essential Logic -- Aerosol Burns 4. The Fire Engines -- Get Up and Use Me 5. The Fall -- Totally Wired 6. Spizzenergi -- Where's Captain Kirk 7. Magazine -- My Mind Ain't So Open 8. Metal Urbain --- Ce De Contact 9. The Swell Maps -- Read About Seymour 10. The Desperate Bicycles -- Walking The Talking Channel 11. The Homosexuals -- My Night Out 12. The Homosexuals -- Vociferous Slam 13. The Television Personalities -- Look Back In Anger

Two Homosexuals tracs because they deserve it...

(Dr.C commands - the record companies listen!) ;-)

You're right. Apart from Ludus, as soon as I mention that I wish I could get a vinyl copy of Alma Mater, LTM reissues 3 Stockholm Monsters CDs!

I'll try again. Three times would be too much of a coincidence - here goes....

...what about a Desperate Bicycles retrospective?

family fodder - savoir faire amy & the angels - i hate being in love the slits - typical girls ludus - my cherry is in the sherry raincoats - adventures close to home delta 5 - mind your own business go-betweens - i need two heads homosexuals - my night out theroretical girls - you got me flying lizards - lovers & other strangers lydia lunch - mechanical flattery (or was it atomic bongos?) vivien goldman - private armies y pants - my favourite sweater hans-a-plast - humphrey bogart die doraus - fred vom jupiter the plastics - i love you, oh no! (stereo total covered it some years ago) the fall - bingo-masters break out! the deadbeats - deadbeat devo - speed racer (or mongoloid, album version etc) pink section - tour of china bob - the thing that you do kitchen & the plastic spoons - happy funeral stockholm monsters - happy ever after iq zero - quirky pop music

about the desperate bicycles reissue, dan selzer (www.acuterecords.com) tried to reissue them but they were not willing (the desperate bicycles) check out his homepage!

Any post-punk mix along the lines of what you've mentioned in this thread would be greatly appreciated.

I'll get it to you in 6 to 8 months (give or take a year).

Hey, look, there goes Art Carney again!

1 Girls At Our Best!: Getting Nowhere Fast
2 Gang of 4: At Home He’s a Tourist (Peel session)
3 Public Image Ltd.: Death Disco
4 ESG: Moody (original version)
5 The Homosexuals: Soft South Africans
6 Joy Division: Transmission
7 The Red Crayola: Born In Flames
8 Pylon: Cool
9 Contortions: Dish It Out
10 Delta 5: Mind Your Own Business
11 A Certain Ratio: Shack Up
12 The Slits: I Heard It Through The Grapevine
13 Malcolm McLaren: Buffalo Gals
14 New Order: Temptation (original 12”)
15 Bush Tetras: You Taste Like the Tropics
16 Brian Eno & David Byrne: Regiment
17 Wire: Our Swimmer
18 Pigbag: Papa’s Got a Brand New Pigbag
19 This Heat: Health & Efficiency
20 LiLiPUT: Split

400 Blows -("Declaration of Intent" Original mix or "Pressure")

Early Foetus -("Kid Hate Kid", "Thank Heaven for Push Button Phones")

Alfonia Tims and his Flying Tigers -("Red Sex Dress") From ROIR tape

Section 25 -("Knew Noise") Somebody had to have named these guys....

Dome -("Red Tent" Pts. 1 & 2)

the Plastics -("Digital Wrist Watch")

the Normal -("T.V.O.D." & "Warm Leatherette") SOMEBODY should've got it on a list...

Cindy Talk -(depends if you can stand "New Romance" stuff...)

DAF -(Can't recall the good songs, I don't want to say "Brothers"...)

.....also if you can find a copy of "Of the Fruit of the Original Sin" on Les Disques Du Crepuscule (it was a double LP from 1981)do buy it for your self (knowing my luck they have probably released it on CD and I don't know of it...). Very good tracks from Orange Juice ("Three Cheers for Our Side"), DNA ("Taking the Kids to School"), and various others like Virgina Ashley, Thick Pegion, etc.

All apologies for any spelling errors.

No, we had "Oi!", which was infinitely worse.

"are the exploited punk or hardcore?"

Oi!

"ditto: subhumans, et al,"

New Brutalist / Anarcho-punk (as were Rudimentary Peni imo fwiw)

Oh, and Dr. C; if I ever hear you say anything horrid like that about The Monochrome Set ever again, ever, then I shall refuse to speak to you for another couple of decades.

I think one could consider the American Underground (Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, Pixies, blah blah blah) post-punk, as it, like Brittain's scene did; expanded punk.

Also, on the Flaming Lips website, they said they were post-punk. At least to begin with.

Discharge?

Side 1
Pere Ubu – Street Waves
The Scremaers – Peer Pressure
Devo – Sloppy (live version, August 1977)
Chrome – Chromosome Damage
Suicide – Ghost Rider
The Normal – TVOD
Throbbing Gristle – United
Eno & Snatch – R.A.F.
The Slits – FM (Peel session)
Gang of Four – Love Like Anthrax
Subway Sect – Chain Smoking (Peel session)
Siouxsie & the Banshees – Nicotine Stains
Metal Urbain – Hysteria Connective
The Sleepers – Flying
The Urinals – I’m A Bug

Side 2
The Prefects – Faults (Peel session)
Mars – 3E
The Pop Group – 3’38”
ACR – All Night Party
Wire – A Question of Degree
Talking Heads – Drugs
The Human League – Dignity of Labour Pt.3
Cabaret Voltaire – Partially Submerged
Joy Division – These Days
The Flying Lizards – Hands 2 Take
PiL – Home Is Where the Heart Is
Orange Juice – Poor Old Soul Pt.2

A bit wilfully obscure in places, but by and large this makes me happy. Haven't read the accompanying blurb/feature properly yet tho'.

Comments?

No.... wait.... nothing by The Fall? Nothing by Magazine?

The people who compiled this are clearly morons! (phew!)

Files not downloadable unfortunately, but anyone who's had the misfortune to have never heard "There Goes Concorde Again" by ......and the Native Hipsters can do so.

I'd throw in the following to any post-punk comp I was doing:

Flight - A Certain Ratio
Diet - The Au Pairs
Falling and Laughing - Orange Juice
The Light Pours Out Of Me - Magazine
Dream Sequence - Pauline Murray & The Invisible Girls
Books - The Teardrop Explodes

i love the mix by jens... wowow!
m.

They're all available here, albeit as low quality MP3s.