I listened to the album for the first time in a long while the other day, and I realized how utterly fantastic it was all over again. Scrape away all the dull as ditchwater clot accrued to it over the years thanks to so many indifferent IDM releases and it's all the more lovely to appreciate, a glorious one-off from him in that nothing (much) was spiked with the humor or freneticism or any of that from elsewhere.
There was a taking sides thread involving this versus SAW 85-92, but let's just talk about SAW II instead here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)
Mine too!!
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lil' Fancy Pants (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)
For whatever reason, SAW II has never done much for me. I've always been puzzled by how underwhelming I've found it, considering how much music in this vein I listen to, and how much this record means to people whose taste overlaps with mine. I think SAW II sounds better scuffed up by majic markers and run through the ovalprocess.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)
I've been listening to Black Dog too!
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)
Beautiful but so ephemeral that it slips my notice most times when I am looking for something like this to listen to.
― hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)
By Aphex, I mean.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)
This album is so good I don't think 10 years matters much. Vol. 1 sounds dated, this one doesn't and probably won't.
My selected coincidence is yesterday being puzzled by this Allmusic synopsis -- now you take a look:
Despite James' appearance on the pop charts, his following album Selected Ambient Works, Vol. 2 appeared to be a joke on the ambient-techno community. So minimal as to be barely conscious, the quadruple-album left most of the beats behind, with only tape loops of unsettling ambient noise remaining. The album mostly struck out with critics, but hit number 11 on the British charts and earned James a major-label American contract with Sire soon after.
I'd say joke on the pop chart community, home run with critics, and WTF to tape loops? This ain't Strafe F.R.
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)
i can't overstate how much i love this piece. (as a side note cddb now calls it "rhubarb," which seems a bit odd...are these the unofficial titles people puzzled out from the pics in the liner notes?) it marks the only time i've ever used a repeat function on a cd player. i wanted to listen to it a few times and accidentally left it on for at least an hour or two late at night. it must be tapped into my personal resonant frequency or something.
it seems strange to me that this and nirvana were happening coincidentally, on virtually opposite sides of the world. i experienced them sequentially but they've coincidentally both drifted back into my life- i just added saw II to itunes finally, and it and nevermind keep cropping up on random play.
― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dude (The Yellow Dart), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)
I've managed to lose about 4 copies of the thing during the last 10 years, and I've always gone straight back out and replaced it. Much as I love Richard's later stuff, SAW II is a unique thing of wonder.
And where would BBC2 documentary Producers be without it?
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)
I remember listening to it a lot and being thoroughly terrified by a couple of tracks. I found it as scary as Rosemary's baby.
― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)
DummySecond ComingVulvalandProtectionHexD.I. Go PopSnivilisationIll CommunicationGraceAmberParklifeMusic For The Gilted GenerationCrooked Rain Crooked Crooked RainDefinitely MaybeSouthernplayalisticadillacmuzikIndependancyWeezerIllmatic
1994 seems like a very ILM-friendly year.
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)
yes.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)
what a fubny questoin. does one need anny rock beynod white ligt white heat and in teh court of the crismon king?
― :|, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)
That is the funniest thing I've read in a while. I want to try that some day.
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)
We had a fine thread on recommended ambient records a while back. I'd add me some fine releases from the Improvised Music from Japan label and the Necks' Drive-By.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)
It's not April 5th yet!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 March 2024 23:02 (one year ago)
so warp’s instagram has been posting some cryptic SAW II things and people are speculating that maybe it will be getting an anniversary reissue of some kind
― brimstead, Monday, 17 June 2024 16:39 (one year ago)
!
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 17 June 2024 17:12 (one year ago)
Can we get a damn SAW III to follow it up too? Is that too much to ask for, Richard?!
― octobeard, Monday, 17 June 2024 18:36 (one year ago)
you were right
― frogbs, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:15 (one year ago)
Expanded edition coming in October. 3 CDs, 4 LPs, a super fancy box version.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:22 (one year ago)
dammit 2xCassette sold out! Great medium for this tbh
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:22 (one year ago)
sadly i dont have £299 for an oak box
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:24 (one year ago)
any indication of the regular vinyl getting wide release?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:25 (one year ago)
I'm confused, are there really only two bonus tracks?
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 14:57 (one year ago)
you can preorder the regular 4xLP for $50, pretty good deal imo. I was on the fence about preordering since the Aphex vinyl that's in print is fairly available but SAW II has always been a pretty special/sought after thing so who knows. hopefully this means a drukqs reissue is in the works someday too
― frogbs, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 15:05 (one year ago)
xp Looks like,yeah. And one of them is the 2017 digital bonus track. Plus #19 being available across formats finally (previously UK vinyl - and web digital - only). These would necessitate the extra CD but be a bit skimpy for an extra LP. Sides on the original are a bit long though so it looks to be rejigged, shown by the "tracklist" (several circles now have three images - before, every side had at least 4).
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 16:32 (one year ago)
thanks, that was what I thought but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 16:40 (one year ago)
pitchfork all "check out the track list below"
said track list:
01 #102 #203 #304 #405 #506 #607 #708 #8...
― koogs, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 16:54 (one year ago)
(it gets more interesting later but...)
― koogs, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 16:55 (one year ago)
my original cd has the rot and the outer tracks won't play (luckily i took a copy before it got bad). i meant to buy another copy when it came out in that fancy case (super jewel it appears to be called) but never did... perhaps now is the time...
― koogs, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 17:09 (one year ago)
Minidisc copy, I hope.
― Keith, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 18:08 (one year ago)
Wow $300 for the boxset. The normal vinyl at $50 is a good offer. I still don’t know if I’d buy… used to listen to this one fairly frequently and I think only about 1/3 would be of any use to me nowadays.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 21:36 (one year ago)
If it's only 3 tracks the bonus CD should be one of those 3" ones.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 21:55 (one year ago)
I burned a 3CD-R that follows the vinyl track list awhile back…I will buy this on CD
― brimstead, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 22:07 (one year ago)
still have my cds, but if i didn't, lugging out a giant wooden box and then flipping all of those lps every 20mins or so seems like a uniquely awful way to experience this particular album
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 22:34 (one year ago)
otm, this was made for long CDs
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 22:36 (one year ago)
Check this:
https://www.oakfurnituresuperstore.co.uk/products/york-150cm-solid-oak-dining-table?gad_source=1
300 quid, and REAL SOLID OAK! I may get this to put my laptop on so as I can stream it.
― Keith, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 22:38 (one year ago)
I preordered it. I actually bought the repressing years ago, but heard some distortion and it was likely my turntable or stylus so I returned it (oops).
Now it goes for bloody ~$200 on discogs. And that version lacked Stone in Focus, which this will have (yay!)
― octobeard, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 23:04 (one year ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uho04jJzxjs
― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 23:11 (one year ago)
I did the pre order on CD, as I’d never owned this before!
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 19 June 2024 12:36 (one year ago)
No bonus tracks we haven’t heard before? Lame.
Can’t believe they still haven’t adopted the fan-made names as the official song titles after all these years. I still think the album is better listened to with the songs in alphabetical order from “Blue Calx” to “Z-Twig”.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 20 June 2024 00:02 (one year ago)
What a great record.
― ian, Thursday, 20 June 2024 00:14 (one year ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzuygQd3do
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 June 2024 03:14 (one year ago)
Thanks, I just matched this sample!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyCRiyMg2ik
― mmmm, Thursday, 20 June 2024 07:59 (one year ago)
“Blue Calx” is the ultimate
― brimstead, Thursday, 20 June 2024 15:57 (one year ago)
The CD of SAW II I bought in a charity shop years ago was bronzed. It has somehow persevered but now you can see actual rot on the outer edges. Time to buy it again I think.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 20 June 2024 19:19 (one year ago)
Exactly what koogs said
yeah, it didn't help that they were long CDs and the data went right to the edges
― koogs, Thursday, 20 June 2024 19:38 (one year ago)
I bought SAW II on CD back in 2004 and didn’t know stone in focus existed until last year, was a bit of a trip to discover one of the best songs by one of your favourite artists just hiding in a cupboard. It’s probably the closest I’ve come to realizing my recurring dream where I’m watching TV and a season 4/5 Simpsons episode I’ve never seen suddenly comes on.
― ed.b, Friday, 21 June 2024 18:27 (one year ago)
have you looked into the soundcloud dump?
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 18:29 (one year ago)
they should color the new release cds bronze just to fuck with people
(Saw 2 was one of the releases misprinted by Philips / Dupont in the UK. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc_bronzing )
― master of the pan (abanana), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:12 (one year ago)
tha1 (slo) is a bonus track right? that was part of the SoundCloud dump
― brimstead, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:23 (one year ago)
yep, th1, th1 (slo) and this one, which is still online : https://soundcloud.com/user18081971/th1-evnslower(he has been adding to that dump every now and then ever since, btw, most recent track was 10 months ago)
― StanM, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:32 (one year ago)
Right th1, not tha1, my bad
― brimstead, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:35 (one year ago)
xp whoa, thanks
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:42 (one year ago)
nice, I am 1 hour 45 mins behind on these tracks, listening now
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:46 (one year ago)
i only just realized his soundcloud username is not just a random string of numbers
― paul mccartney and wigs (diamonddave85), Saturday, 22 June 2024 00:30 (one year ago)
ohhhhhhh
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 22 June 2024 00:39 (one year ago)
Dispatched: 1 October 2024, 14:53 UTCAphex TwinSelected Ambient Works Volume II (Expanded Edition)CD (3×CD)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 17:47 (eleven months ago)
I got that email earlier today too!
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 October 2024 17:48 (eleven months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ii9Q5YMeM
worth clicking through for the top couple comments
― default damager (lukas), Tuesday, 1 October 2024 18:11 (eleven months ago)
Despite owning this on multiple formats over the years, I'm still waiting-by-the-mailbox eager to receive my copy of the 3xCD reissue. Few albums from my youth have the kind of enduring power over me that this one does. And I say that despite still preferring SAW 1!
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 18:29 (eleven months ago)
Dan Weiss has a great new piece up about a particular angle on the release/anniversary -- namely, a dive into how it was actually marketed and sold here in the US:
https://riotriot.substack.com/p/red-white-and-blue-calx-the-story
A lot of detail, including comparisons to other acts under the Warner umbrella and how they were marketed etc.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 October 2024 15:31 (ten months ago)
Well, the first part of the article seems interesting.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 October 2024 15:32 (ten months ago)