i forget where i read that ghost was there but the production wasn't. "more breaks than kurtis blow in traction." but he raps too fast and i always forget to listen to him and when it's quiet enough to hear him he's saying stuff like, "her sister got a nice bubble. i used to fuck her while she got seeded by bags from brooklyn. she cut me off when she turned muslim. i need some pussy, though. that kind that be gushy, though. that warm platinum pussy with a dynamic pussy hole. i got to fuck something. if not, i'ma fuck my girl." i really do like it a lot but i hope other people like it more.
― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
i haven't heard it yet. hoping it's gonna be good. i was surprised by Tush, but i dig it. and Run is great
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― William Wiggins, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)
they take a jazz cover version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps and play it in its entirety while ghost raps over it, no extra production.
they also do this on Wise (In the Rain) which i LOVE
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm waiting until the 20th, but the word has been incredibly positive so far. Better than BW, not as good as Supreme Clientele. A lot of old school breaks, a lot of woman talk. I expect a LOT from this album. He's one of my top five emcees, so I'm hoping he kills it.
"Holla" is classic in my eyes.
― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)
once
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― rgeary (rgeary), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)
It's funny! We get jam bands, some emo and the Wu-Tang! Who'd a thunk it.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)
xpost w/David
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)
And strongo, asking rappers who've been in the game this long not to be Pete Rockists is unneccessary and stupid cuz some are still releasing hot music. (Missy and Jay-Z are both pete rockists. Who the fuck cares).
― djdee2005, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― jake in portland (cerybut), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 7 May 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― jake in portland (cerybut), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005, Friday, 7 May 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)
I have to say though, while Ghostface usually has keen fashion sense, that red pleather jacket he's sporting inside the cd booklet is just not doing it. It's not even Michael Jackson-retro-cool looking, it's just the ugliest thing I've seen in awhile. (sorry to get all 'white eye on the black guy' on you)
― blar, Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 May 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)
"Beat the Clock" and "Run" are also great, i agree
― Jeff W (zebedee), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― karl76 (karl76), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:03 (twenty years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago)
― steve-k, Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago)
yes. yes it does.
seriously tho, I think his vocabulary's a bit more expansive than that. Certainly more extensive than a lot of other rappers.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago)
The only things that really bother my erm "liberal sensibilites" is the rather overt anti-feminism of "Tooken Back" and some random line where he says he's against abortion.
But obviously this doesn't really get in the way (too much) of my enjoyment of the album. But I find the criticism of his LANGUAGE to be a much more bleeding-heart sentiment - "his use of language bothers me" rather than paying attention to what he's saying - in terms of content "message" OR just pure aesthetics of his language (and many times w/ ghostface it is about purely aesthetic quality of his lyrics rather than some sort of overriding erm "message" althouogh that's not a generalization I would subscribe to for the record).
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago)
― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago)
I don't mind gettin a little PC on musicians if they're being totally hateful ("Fie pon dem batty boy!" etc.), but I don't get that sense from Ghost at all.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)
this is exactly how I felt about much of The College Dropout for three months, actually, then finally I started listening properly to the lyrics, and they were brilliant too! so it's all good.
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago)
That's not exactly what I'm saying. I am listening to Ghost and Lil' Jon and dancehall and whomever rather than Spearhead because of the sonics, but I do long for Funky Four Plus One and whomever rap records where they could flow without using the same words over and over and over again. It's not creative. I kinda do long for the pre-Schooly D, pre-NWA days where you didn't hear those same words again and again and again.
Also, I'm a father of a 10 year-old and I'd like to have more cds I could play in front of him. I understand the whole Lenny Bruce and George Carlin thing about how they're just words that people choose to give meaning to, but on the other other hand I don't think at his age he needs to have to make such determinations.
― steve-k, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago)
― steve-k, Friday, 12 November 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago)
― steve-k, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)
Shakey OTM re politics.
I don't know which rap cds are top selling this year. The top critically-acclaimed rap cds for the year seem to be Ghostface, Madvillian, Devin the Dude, and Kanye West. Where do they fit in, schtick-wise? I'm just asking. You folks may know more than I do on this.
I think Ghostface's "old" schtick is part of his appeal(despite my mixed take on him).
― steve-k, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)
are we all listening to the same record? Subject-matter wise he doesn't seem behind the times at all - so he raps about sex, broken relationships, being chased by the police, being a badass rapper, etc. Are these topics somehow relegated to a specific period? They seem pretty broad and relevant to me.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago)
for fuck's sake, schticks aren't good or bad! it's about whether you can still carry them off. Ghostface can.
xposts
― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― danh (danh), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago)
Wait, why isn't there a bunch of posts here going "Wow, Trife's verse on 'Biscuits' is 10/10 would bump five times in close succession"
― Coyote Ultra Nate (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)
Because Trife's verses are average at best and he has the voice of a muppet villain.
― brightscreamer, Thursday, 19 February 2009 02:05 (sixteen years ago)
I don't really know what's up with "Run" because most versions on mixtapes and stuff are just Ghost and Kiss, but yeah the video/official version has Comp, who's from Baltimore and is a recent Def Jam signing
― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, April 6, 2004 8:46 PM
lol def jam :(
― eman, Thursday, 19 February 2009 02:12 (sixteen years ago)
they used the original version for the album tho so all good
brightscreamer offtm
― ABC-DISNEY-PITCHFORK (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 February 2009 02:42 (sixteen years ago)
Word up Reverend. Trife da God is tight. Surprisingly, so is Ghost's son Sun God (He's on that joint that samples "Family Affair" on Fishscale and a couple other GFK traxx)
― DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 19 February 2009 03:36 (sixteen years ago)
Don't get me wrong--he's good at what he does, but his subject matter is very limited. I can't see him rapping about being underwater with Ghost. Yes, that's a bad thing.
And I'm OTM about Jim Henson having his hand up Trife's ass.
― brightscreamer, Thursday, 19 February 2009 04:16 (sixteen years ago)