kozmigroov - c/d

all this stuff is super duper classic

Not to these ears. Kozmigroov can be blamed for spawning the Fusion beast but acid jazz was more a (dilute) revisit of the boogaloo soul jazz of the 60s and the disco soul of the 70s. The only acid jazz moments that even acknowledged the free improv grooves of Bitches Brew, Deaf, Dumb, Blind or Sextant were from Emperor's New Clothes or maybe a couple of Disjam tracks.

Ugh, I really hate this term. sorry

Yeah, if only Gilles Peterson hadn't already misappropriated "acid jazz." I've come to prefer the term "cosmic jazz" but hey, you'll never reach consensus on these things.

yeah that emperors new clothes album everyone seems to hate is just about the only acid jazz record i still like, and its way more endebted to jamaica rythmically than the old "must have a hand percussionist" def of kozmigroov anyway.

i was always disappointed hearing acid jazz..where was the acid?...where was the jazz

weirdly its a still overlooked period. i mean - i love music, no previous threads and i get 8 replies?

we can't blame it for acid jazz, but we can credit it for trip-hop, which was great music until it abandoned the mystical claptrap. when they started replacing the alice coltrane and joe henderson samples with ETBG-ripoff singers was when it all fell apart.

Didja see the group shot on the back of their first CD? More hippy than nappy, these fellers were worlds away from Corduroy or U.F.O.

and its way more endebted to jamaica rythmically than the old "must have a hand percussionist" def of kozmigroov anyway.

The dub infection betrays the early 90s recording dates. Less-affected tracks like "Rollercoaster", "Wisdom and Lies/Haunted Music" and "Dark Light" effectively weave foreground and background into a happily disorienting sound swirl that's not entirely unlike 70s era cosmic jazz.

weirdly its a still overlooked period. i mean - i love music, no previous threads and i get 8 replies?

Ha, it's eight more postings than I've seen on the kozmigroov list in the past few months.

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shangri-la ralph lundsten with music from andromeda (1974) whoo, spacy. its not quite new age relaxation music cos it sounds like something that might be playing if will & dr smith discovered an oasis of naked plutonian mermaids but you knew something bad was gonna happen
&
cosmic love(1976) slightly weirder and incorporating animal noises!

its doubly funny as the kids have commandereed the stereo and all i'm hearing is circa 03 dance pop. which i'm loving too!

I was really excited by the idea of kozmigroov when I first heard about it, but I ended up never swimming out of the kiddie pool. It did get me around to checking out Alice Coltrane a lot earlier than I probably would've otherwise though, so for that I am thankful.

In any case, here's the site for the other dude aside from Young, heard on the record, Joe Gallivan: http://www.newjazz.com/
it's the 4th CD listed, after the bad Macintosh graphics and the Frank Zappa-lookalike...

Yeah, I'm excited by the recent ILM jazz love! It's nice to see. try this on for size: do you know there has never been a thread about Thelonious Monk on ILM?? I almost started one the other day. But what do you say by way of intro to one of *the* great geniuses of 20th century music?? It's a little daunting!!

no Monk thread...haha. haha. heh.

i started a mark murphy thread a while ago
Mark Murphy - cd/sd

just realized you'd already posted on it

and thanks to Stormy, i recently picked up Andy Bey's "Experience & Judgement" and it's fantabulous

haha 3 of the 5 posts on that Murphy thread are me! my wife just upped and turned murphy off last night.

I revived this thread just for you jaxon!

the bey really is great. i'd always wanted to get it, but just wasn't in the right mindset recently. but it was just what i needed. it sounds like prime era weather report (or mwandishi) with gil scott-heron or terry callier singing on top (as stormy said on the no1ze board, the lyrics are total hippy dippy crap though)

that sounds great. i was listening to terry callier yesterday too. the wife likes terry callier.

i am looking for more music in the vein of gil scott heron's "winter in america". any suggestions anybody?

also another thread of mine that got no responses :(
Cadet & Cadet Concept s/d

no the song aint the nina simone one. its also on As We Travel: Folk Funk Flavours & Ambient Soul

JaXoN there was a series of 5 (i think that's all there were) budget-priced Argo/Cadet label compilation CDs that Charly put out. DustyGroove still has three of them in stock, 8.99 each:

http://www.dustygroove.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/dga/search.cgi?usersrch=argo+cadet&issearch=yes

Ayiyi! Well I still support most of those choices though given the opportunity, I'd pull the first Ubiquity, Alice Coltrane's LORD OF LORDS, Jack DeJohnette's SORCERY and the Teruo Nakamura. Not that any of 'em are bad, they just ain't necessarily "classic".

For those who care, here's an updated list for the 60s/70s releases (the 80s-00s selections are still preliminary):

Rec. 60s/70s
Horacee Arnold Tales of the Exonerated Flea [Columbia, 1974]
Association P.C. Erna Morena [MPS, 1973]
David Axelrod Songs of Innocence [Capitol, 1968]
David Axelrod Songs of Experience [Capitol, 1969]
David Axelrod Seriously Deep [Polydor, 1975]
Roy Ayers Live at Montreux [Polydor/Verve, 1972]
Gato Barbieri El Pampero [Flying Dutchman, 1972]
Gato Barbieri Latino America [Impulse! (CD Reissue), orig rel 1973]
Gary Bartz Juju Street Songs [Prestige, 1972]
Gary Bartz Follow the Medicine Man [Prestige, 1973]
Bayete Seeking Other Beauty [Prestige, 1973]
Black Renaissance (Harry Whittaker) Body, Mind & Spirit [Baystate, 1976]
Sigi Busch Age of Miracles [MPS, 1975]
Donald Byrd Electric Byrd [Blue Note, 1970]
Donald Byrd Ethiopian Knights [Blue Note, 1971]
Don Cherry Brown Rice [A&M, 1975]
Billy Cobham Shabazz [Atlantic, 1975]
Ornette Coleman Dancing in Your Head [A&M, 1976]
Alice Coltrane Journey in Satchidananda [Impulse!, 1970]
Alice Coltrane Universal Consciousness [Impulse!, 1971]
Alice Coltrane World Galaxy [Impulse!, 1972]
Alice Coltrane Eternity [Warner Bros, 1976]
Norman Connors Dance of Magic [Cobblestone, 1972]
Norman Connors Dark of Light [Cobblestone, 1973]
Norman Connors Love From The Sun [Buddah, 1973]
Larry Coryell Barefoot Boy [Flying Dutchman, 1971]
Wolfgang Dauner Output [ECM, 1970]
Wolfgang Dauner's Et Cetera Knirsch [MPS, 1972]
Wolfgang Dauner's Et Cetera Live [MPS, 1973]
Miles Davis In A Silent Way [Columbia, 1969]
Miles Davis Bitches Brew [Columbia, 1969]
Miles Davis A Tribute To Jack Johnson [Columbia, 1970]
Miles Davis On the Corner [Columbia, 1972]
Miles Davis In Concert [Columbia, 1972]
Miles Davis Get Up With It [Columbia, 1974]
Miles Davis Dark Magus [Columbia, 1974]
Miles Davis Agharta [Columbia, 1974]
Miles Davis Pangaea [Columbia, 1974]
Charles Earland Dynamite Brothers [Prestige, 1973]
Embryo Rocksession [Brain, 1972]
Joe Farrell Moon Germs [CTI, 1972]
The Fourth Way Werwolf [Harvest, 1971]
Hal Galper The Guerilla Band [Mainstream, 1971]
Steve Grossman Some Shapes to Come [PM, 1974]
Steve Grossman Terra Firma [PM, 1977]
Herbie Hancock Mwandishi [Warner Bros, 1971]
Herbie Hancock Crossings [Warner Bros, 1972]
Herbie Hancock Sextant [Columbia, 1973]
Herbie Hancock Headhunters [Columbia, 1973]
Jon Hassell Earthquake Island [Tomato, 1979]
Headhunters Survival of the Fittest [Arista, 1975]
Eddie Henderson Realization [Capricorn, 1973]
Eddie Henderson Inside Out [Capricorn, 1974]
Eddie Henderson Sunburst [Blue Note, 1975]
Joe Henderson Black Is The Color [Milestone, 1972]
Joe Henderson The Elements [Milestone, 1974]
Freddie Hubbard Straight Life [CTI, 1971]
Freddie Hubbard In Concerts Vols 1 and 2 [CTI, 1973]
Freddie Hubbard Keep Your Soul Together [CTI, 1973]
Yuji Imamura & Air Air [Three Blind Mice, 1977]
Masabumi Kikuchi Wishes [East Wind, 1976]
Eero Koivistoinen Wahoo! [Ab Discophon Oy (Finland), 1973]
Volker Kriegel Inside: Missing Link [MPS, 1972]
John Lee & Gerry Brown Infinite Jones [Keytone, 1973]
Dave Liebman Drum Ode [ECM, 1975]
Love Cry Want Love Cry Want [newjazz.com, 1997 (rec 1972)]
Herbie Mann Stone Flute [Embryo, 1970]
Shelly Manne Mannekind [Mainstream, 1972]
Pat Martino Baiyina (The Clear Evidence) [Prestige, 1968]
Les McCann Invitation to Openness [Atlantic, 1972]
John McLaughlin Devotion [Douglas, 1970]
Sergio Mendes Primal Roots [A&M, 1972]
Marc Moulin Sam' Suffy [Columbia. 1975]
Marc Moulin Placebo Sessions: 1971-1974 [Counterpoint, 1999 (CD Reissue)]
Mtume Rebirth Cycle [Third Street, 1974 (rel. 1977)]
Nucleus Live in Bremen [Cuneiform 2003, rec. 1971]
Nucleus Solar Plexus [Vertigo, 1971]
Nucleus Belladonna [Vertigo, 1972]
Nucleus Roots [Vertigo, 1973]
Shunzoh Ohno Something's Coming [EastWind, 1975]
Oneness of Juju African Rhythms [Black Fire, 1975]
Oneness of Juju Space Jungle Love [Black Fire, 1976]
Barre Phillips Mountainscapes [ECM, 1976]
Barre Phillips Three Day Moon [ECM, 1979]
Julian Priester Love, Love [ECM, 1974]
Dieter Reith Knock Out [MPS, 1975]
Jorge Lopez Ruiz De Prepo [1972]
George Russell Electronic Sonatas for Souls Loved by Nature (1969) [Flying Dutchman, 1969]
Terje Rypdal Terje Rypdal [ECM, 1971]
Terje Rypdal What Comes After [ECM, 1974]
Pharoah Sanders Karma [Impulse!, 1969]
Pharoah Sanders Summun Bukmun Umyun (Deaf, Dumb, Blind) [Impulse!, 1970]
Pharoah Sanders Thembi [Impulse!, 1971]
Pharoah Sanders Black Unity [Impulse!, 1972]
Pharoah Sanders Elevation [Impulse!, 1974]
Lonnie Liston Smith Astral Travelling [Flying Dutchman, 1973]
Lonnie Liston Smith Cosmic Funk [Flying Dutchman, 1974]
Smoke Everything [MPS, 1973]
Soft Head Rogue Element [Ogun, 1978]
Soft Machine 3 [Columbia, 1970]
Soft Machine 5 [Columbia, 1972]
Soft Machine Live In Paris [Cuneiform, 2004 (rec 1972)]
Sun Ra Lanquidity [Philly Jazz, 1978]
Sun Ra On Jupiter [Saturn, 1979]
Sun Ra Sleeping Beauty [Saturn, 1979]
James "Blood" Ulmer Tales of Captain Black [Artists House, 1978]
Michal Urbaniak Constellation In Concert [Muza, 1973]
Michal Urbaniak Paratyphus B [Spiegelei, 1973]
Michal Urbaniak Inactin' [Spiegelei, 1973]
Miroslav Vitous Purple [Columbia, 1970]
Miroslav Vitous Magical Shepherd [Warner Bros, 1976]
Mal Waldron The Call [Japo, 1971]
Weather Report Live in Tokyo [Columbia, 1973]
Weather Report Sweetnighter [Columbia, 1973]
Buster Williams Pinnacle [Muse, 1975]
Tony Williams Lifetime Emergency! [Polydor, 1969]
Tony Williams Lifetime Turn It Over [Polydor, 1970]
Tony Williams Lifetime Ego [Polydor, 1971]
Larry Young Lawrence of Newark [Perception, 1973]

Crazy, but it resulted in me getting some good recommendations. I can't say I'm a big fan of the 70s CTI stuff for the most part, but Joe Farrell's "Moon Germs" is a wonderful panda of poppy eljazz.

I think this was the only Farrell CTI to be reissued in North America, right? All of them have moments ("Suite Martinique" from CANNED FUNK remains the choice cut from the entire lot) but MOON GERMS is probably the most solid.

Yeah, CTI was a wildly uneven label. I still rate the second volume of Hubbard/Turrentine's IN CONCERT as the label's pinnacle. The price tag for the Japanese import is fully justified by two increasingly frantic versions of Herbie's "Hornets." Just astonishing.

and Mtume Rebirth Cycle must be his pre 80s r'n'b when he was a jazz purcussionist. whoa, he's jimmy heath's son!

Free soul: essential argo/cadet grooves vol.3

Tracklist
Straussmania - Daniel Salinas
JuJu - Jack McDuff
Woman of the ghetto - Marlena Shaw
Tight money - Reuben Wilson
Moondance - Grady Tate
Little Sunflower - Dorothy Ashby
Ordinary Joe - Terry Callier
Free Soul - John Klemmer
Pressure gauge - Jack McDuff
Can't catch the trane - Terry Callier

hmmm...the American Gypsy track must be on the other Cadet comp I have...which is possbly another one of the charly comps Stormy mentions...but i can't lay my hand on it at the moment.

I'm happy to make you a copy if you want.

does anyone have any love for Horace Silver's 70s albums? "Silver 'n Percussion" (77) is killer! it's got the cheesiest cover (terrible photos of him in cheeseball african and american-indian garb and the way it's laid out make it so both sides look like the back), but it's a beautiful modal, chanted vocals album. i've passed on "Silver 'n Voices" a few times but am assuming it's as good.

i listened to a benji b (are they somehow related, i'm dumb when it comes to that stuff) broadcast that was all Detroit related. mostly current. pretty rad.

they're apparently issuing 3 "lost classics" too.

i've been getting into some of this stuff lately after only knowing miles davis and herbie hancock and realized its 'kozmigroov', appaently. i especially like pharoah sanders, brown rice, and other stuff w/vocals, sunburst, donald byrd of course (i like his rnb/disco stuff too - which is on a greatest hits album of his i have - i don't know where the lines are drawn here). i listened to humility in the light of the creator (is that right?) this morning, but that was a little mellow or sparse or something for my taste.

we can't blame it for acid jazz, but we can credit it for trip-hop, which was great music until it abandoned the mystical claptrap. when they started replacing the alice coltrane and joe henderson samples with ETBG-ripoff singers was when it all fell apart.

a provocative comment! can people list anything that kinda has this vibe from the 80s on up (seems like a big tent is 'vibe' + jazz players all thats really connecting this stuff together?)