Music PR companies - are they worth the money?

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anybody got any experience with this sort of thing? i dont know to much about this side of stuff - what do they really do and are they worth the money? i've got a friend who might be doing something with a company called Zzonked (at least i think thats how they spell it) are they any good?

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Your band has to be ready for it. The PR company can only do as much as the band or act is able to handle. A good PR campaign can work wonders, a bad one, or one wear the band can't live up to their end of it...

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

zzonked do dance/hiphop/leftfield stuff.

doomiex, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, worth the money, depends, some magazines won't review unless there is a pr on the back of the cd. but pr's? lying jerks - worse than double glazing salesmen.

doomiex, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

but what do they actually do? just mail cds out and then pester reviewers?

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

YUP. THAT'S ABOUT IT.

DOOMIEX, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M DOWN ON PRS BECAUSE ONE SAID SHE WOULD SEND ME THE NEW BADLY DRAWN BOY ALBUM AND CLINIC ALBUM AND NEVER DID!!!

DOOMIEX, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Overview of Music PR in the UK
http://www.unlimitedmedia.co.uk/cmuonline/directory/aboutpublicists.html

If I were a Manager of an Artist - I would say Music PR is needed, there are hundreds of releases a week. Information is Power.

I would TALK to at LEAST 3 PR Companies - see what they can do for you - re: services and prices - and then decide.

I have observed artists that don't do PR - their music may be excellent - but they get zilch coverage and low sales.

the best PR companies also realize that Online PR is important - they put up press releases online - they know search engine optimization techniques, construct usable websites that take information design seriously.

I wouldn't trust any PR company that didn't provide these services.

I have seen some PR companies online that don't even know how to market themselves and have hideous websites - useless splash pages, slow loading macromedia flash and fancy graphics etc.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

If you want coverage in the press, you won't get very far without a music PR company. To some extent, you're just paying for a company letterhead at the top of your press release, but it's important because it seperates your release from the deluge of demos that most magazines receive. A press company is no guarantee of success, exactly, but they will ensure you get reviews.

As mentioned upthread, Zzonked specialise in leftfield dance and hip-hop stuff - they're not the best in their field (that's probably the Darling Department) but they're pretty good. They also do radio plugging, which might be worth looking into.

Jason J, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Fanatic = classic

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sainted are also pretty good, but Slice are full of wenches. The woman who runs Automatic is a riot if you are breakbeat/garage.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone hates Slice don't they?
I am into Breakbeat but I've never heard of Automatic - strange.

Debord (Debord), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you in the UK? If you are, then you are unlikely to get diddly squat without a good publicist. Very few things in the music industry are really worth paying for, but I cannot stress the importance of a publicist.

Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Journos will bitch and complain and badmouth publicists to no end. But then ask them the percentage of artists that they have reviewed/wrote a story on/had even HEARD OF that didn't have a publicist.

If this percentage is over 1% then they are either A) lying B) Everett True or C) writing for a fanzine so inconsequential they're just not on the right PR mailout lists.

Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

er, what Kate said.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Just because they provide a mutually beneficial service doesn't mean they couldn't do their job better, though.

Not that that's anything personal - the ones who have no apparent interest whatsoever in the music they're trying to foist on you madden me, but it's churlish to complain overly.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what Kate says is entirely true, although I guess maybe it's a bit more true of the London media. Still, the fact remains that it's almost impossible to sell an act to an editor in the UK if it doesn't have the stamp of a publicist. I'm not sure how long this has been the case, but I suspect at least a decade.

Jason J, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

In the case of the Pluramon album, nearly six bloody months.

Also someone should tell Mingo PR that it's no good her sending out excitable newsletters saying WE NEED REVIEWS NOW when she DOESN'T FUCKING SEND REVIEW COPIES EVEN WHEN I'VE ASKED HER FIVE FUCKING TIMES!!!!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

As someone who's worked both sides of the music PR/journo divide, I have to say that what Kate says *is* entirely true, sadly.

Like any profession in life, there are good and bad music PRs. The main thing I would say is go for one who really likes your music, not how many column inches they promise to get you. If the PR doesn't really like your music, how are they going to persuade journalists you're worth listening to?

Mog, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

there is one really really REALLY bad pr company out there - that anyone, who comes into contact, will know - and think - shit.

kate! na na na. music journalism is inconsequential so why should a pr company be consequential?

doomiex, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The Wire, Rock Sound or Terrorizer would and do run pieces on stuff that's only being publicised by the label itself. Hip-Hop Connection probably do as well. Fat chance with anyone else, though, I'd have thought

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

re: Mingo PR

run by an American woman based in Scotland
dj mingo-go

she seems an enthusiastic and fun person from her dj slots on Radio Magnetic, Marcello why don't you phone and charm her with your distinguished Scots accent?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

In my experience, Jill is one of the best (and nicest) publicists in the UK, but she tends to have quite limited copies of most of the stuff she deals with.

Jason J, Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

but i really don't care - if all goes well during my meeting next week - i'm set for free music - for a long time to come! ha ha!

marcello, calm, calm... uncut probably isnt a good domain for her - i.e. the type of music doesntn suit uncut so that's why she is leary of sending stuff out.

doomiex, Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

yes well my brief at uncut is to cover the type of music which doesn't suit uncut. and anything i do get from JM always goes in, e.g. Vive La Fete, Cursor Miner, Slipmatt etc.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

but it is fair enough that uncut readers arent going to be terrifically interested in those sorts of bands.

doomiex, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

no because it's my job to MAKE them interested. that's, er, the point.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

fair enuff.

however, if the specialist magazine want the stuff - she's going to send it to those specialist magazines first and then to uncut. which just makes sense, y'know?

doomiex, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

My band just hired one, supposed to be one of the good ones, I will certainly let you know if it's worth the money.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Er... yeah, but would you say that it's worth the money?

John Baker, Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I am spending the money so yes.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

haha lauren to thread! ;)

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

If your music isn't great and it arrives in a journo's mailbox in a package from a PR firm, even if the PR firm calls and emails, your album will still sink like a lead balloon because no one will want to write about the stuff in the first place. If your music IS great, and it arrives in a journo's mailbox in a package directly from the label/artist, then the journo probably will write about it.

That's really obvious but my point is that sometimes bands/artists get focused on the business/sales end to the detrement of what comes first (making the music). Everything else will fall into place if you've done your job (making the music).

That said, with the small/mid-size-ish label I work for, we've started working with a few PR firms within the last year. It's not a situation where we're suddenly getting reviews we probably couldn't have secured in the first place. But it does bring a certain level of professionalism to have, well, professionals handling the mailouts and follow-ups. There are a few more doors opened and overall it's been a positive experience. But we still work closely with many writers (hi writers) and so it's not a matter of handing someone the keys to the house, but rather an outside company hired to take on a bit of the burden.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

(since when did doomie become Jon Williams?)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(re: all caps postings)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Aaron!

ken taylrr, Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

is it possible to avoid being a complete annoyance but still promote the hell out of an album?

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:12 (twelve years ago)


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