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Kill Your Idols
A New Generation of Rock Writers
Reconsiders the Classics
Edited by Jim DeRogatis and Carmél Carrillo
Coming from Barricade Books in June 2004!

Thirty-five of the best rock writers of Generations X and Y each weigh in on an album that's universally considered "a classic"—-but which they think sucks.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

Contributors/Contents

The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
— Jim DeRogatis

The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds
— Jeff Nordstedt

The Beach Boys, Smile
— Dawn Eden

The Who, Tommy
— Steve Knopper

The MC5, Kick Out the Jams
— Andy Wang

The Byrds, Sweetheart of the Rodeo
— Steven Stolder

Captain Beefheart and & His Magic Band, Trout Mask Replica
— Jason Gross

Derek and the Dominos, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
— Marc Weingarten

Led Zeppelin, untitled (“IV”)
— Adrian Brijbassi

Neil Young, Harvest
— Fred Mills

The Rolling Stones, Exile on Main Street
— Keith Moerer

The Eagles, Desperado
— Bobby Reed

Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd
— Leanne Potts

Gram Parsons, GP / Grievous Angel
— Chrissie Dickinson

The Doors, The Best of the Doors
— Lorraine Ali (with Jim DeRogatis)

Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon
— Burl Gilyard

Bob Dylan, Blood on the Tracks
— Chris Martiniano

Patti Smith, Horses
— Melanie Haupt

Bob Marley & the Wailers, Exodus
— Dave Chamberlain

Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
— Jim Walsh

Paul & Linda McCartney, Ram
— Tom Phalen

John Lennon / Yoko Ono, Double Fantasy
— Allison Stewart

The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks . . . Here’s the Sex Pistols
— Jim Testa

Dead Kennedys, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
— Marco Leavitt

Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run
— David Sprague

Bruce Springsteen, Born in the U.S.A.
— Rob O’Connor

Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Imperial Bedroom
— Michael Corcoran

Various artists, My Greatest Exes
— Carmél Carrillo

U2, The Joshua Tree
— Eric Waggoner and Bob Mehr

Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
— Arsenio Orteza

Nirvana, Nevermind
— Anders Smith Lindall

The Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
— Rick Reger

Radiohead, OK Computer
— David Menconi

Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
— Allison Augustyn

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm super psyched to read this

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:37 (twenty years ago) link

Oof, not I. It'd be boring as a praise list...and it's just as boring as a hate list!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

(Beyond that, I recognize a total of...five out of the thirty-five writers.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

Just say it Ned. It looks shit.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

If we want to be high-minded about it, we can call it a spirited assault on a pantheon that has been foisted upon us, or a defiant rejection of the hegemonic view of rock history espoused by the critics who preceded us.

PLEASE DERO DON'T HURT 'EM!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

highlights so far:

*DeRogatis' incessant bitching in the intro about the old guard of boomer rockcrits getting in the way of the younger generation. DeRogatis is 40 years old.

*In the Sgt. Pepper essay, on "Getting Better," DeRogatis: "McCartney is telling us he used to be mean to his woman, he beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved. This guy's a freaking misogynist scumbag, and I don't buy for a minute that he's 'changing his scene.' Like Travis Bickle, he's just waiting for an excuse to explode. That insistent piano is like a nervous facial tick, the waltz-like tempo is barely keeping him restrained, and it's time to run and lock the door when the tune dissolves into a psychedelic breakdown with droning sitar and echoed tabla. Hey, the Hell's Angels took LSD, but they didn't automatically start loving everyone. Remember Atlamont?"

*The Pet Sounds essay complains that the music is really poppy, but the lyrics are morse, and that doesn't make any sense!

More when I regain the stomach for it.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

(that should be "morose")

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago) link

(and "Altamont")

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

For the record, I've been the author of many, mnay, many 'overrated' columns over the years, and no one asked ME to contribute.

I think they've pretty much covered it above, though, with the exception of Zen Arcade

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

as well, doesn't devoting an entire book TO the canon, for smashing purposes or no, kinda sorta totally fucking REINFORCE the canon and thereby fail at its stated task?

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah...this book still reinforces the idea that these are all albums you have to DEAL WITH if you want to be serious about rock & roll, even if you have to ultimately reject them.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

also: RAM?!?!??!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!! what the FUCK is Ram doing in there?!?!?

and The Best of the Doors? wasn't that, like, 486th in that Rolling Stone top 500, behind three other Doors compilations?

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

Michael Daddino OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

What about Desperado? Does that have any real critical rep? Does it appear in any of the rock canon benchmark books? Oh sure, it appears in Stranded alright, but even poor forgotten Grace Lichtenstein who named it her desert island disc also called Desperado "pretentious in spots, trivial in others" (as well as "deliciously melodic throughout.")

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

Eergh agh

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

What a piece of shit. Rock critics are morons.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

no, Michael Daddino. most rock critics that I've read hate the Eagles.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

Well, yeah, it was sort of a rhetorical question...if you're going to attack the canon, why attack an album that's most definitely not part of it? (Hotel California or Greatest Hits would make more sense.)

I want to be somewhat fair-minded about this and cling to the possibility that there are individual essays in the book that aren't bad, but if I buy this (and I'd buy this used), it's going to be the same reason I bought Sonic Cool, and that's TO FEEL THE HATE. DeRo can pose himself as some kind of rebel dude, but an attack on "the rock canon" or individual albums is just gonna curdle into mere pose if you're still going to share many of the same standards of measuring "good" and "bad" music that a lot of the listmakers and the canonbuilders do.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

Now, about that canon business: In the early ’90s, the hallowed halls of the academy were rudely awakened from their soporific slumbers by the sound and fury of the so-called “culture wars.” Here was a rabid backlash against what conservatives perceived as the insidious plague of “political correctness” on our college campuses, spread by the voices of diversity who’d been trying since the mid-’60s to broaden the literary curriculum away from “dead white European males”—you know, guys like Shakespeare, Milton, Dryden, and Pope—in order to include folks who weren’t . . . well, quite so dead, white, European, or male.

Is this why in every literature class from 8th to 10th grade, the only thing we would read would be about poor Mexican families who learned the value of tradition by passing down grandma's quilt?

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

However, from the introduction alone, this seems like a book I would very much like to read.

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago) link

David Allen more otm than any other ILMer ever

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

I fart on this book

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

ha matos emailed me about this yesterday. i wonder what i will be reading on my lunch breaks next week.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't this book = 1 out out of every five ILM posts?

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

I would fart on a book of 1 out of every five ILM posts too

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Miccio otm

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not gonna say who, but one of the writers has a blog with a account of their non-ironic participation in a Defense of Marriage rally.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

(That is, if I read it correctly...and I didn't intend to find out if I was right or not. Uh, since I'm not naming the person I don't think I'm being unfair to them, right?)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Not at all. If however their review consists of complaints about gays ruining our lifestyles, the cat's out of the bag.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

Imperial Bedroom seems like an odd choice to represent Elvis Constello...is that more critically acclaimed than Armed Forces or This Year's Model? (I've never heard it)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

i tried to pitch them diamond princess, and dero was almost down until he realized it wasn't a joni mitchell album.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

further gems:

*From the Public Enemy chapter: "It's too bad there's never been--and given our hypersensitivity to that chimera "hate speech," may never be--an equally public debate about the validity of that notoriously dimwitted genre of aural graffiti known as rap, the artistic merits of which the music media, in its zeal to see young black radicals do well, has been over-hyping for two decades now. Don't get me wrong, rap can be great fun. At its early best, before it became overrun by gangstas, thugz, pimps, hoez, and other types you wouldn't want to bring home to your grandma (or your spelling teacher), rap was the closest thing to a revival of the loose goofiness of Lieber-Stoller-era Coasters...Since then many rap albums have had their meager merits exaggerated by the press."

*More from the Pet Sounds one: "The biggest problem, though, is this: A great rock album should scare your parents...The problem with Pet Sounds is that Brian WIlson is about as intimidating as an episode of Seventh Heaven, and the album hardly solicits a PMRC-style reaction from anyone."

Did anyone mention that there's an essay about Smile, a record that never came out? Good lord.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

hey, i'm EATIN here

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

oh! and this from the Sgt. Pepper one: "It's hard to imagine a less cool topic for a rock song in the '60s or any other time than professing your love for a cop. McCartney was no Ice-T or N.W.A, though, and he does exactly that in "Lovely Rita." This song finally rocks a bit, but it's dragged down by the cheesy piano and mundane lyrics--unless of course I'm missing the homoerotic subtext. The song's protagonist is attracted to traffic warden Rita because, in the cap and with the bag across her shoulder, she looks 'a little like a military man.' Then they go on a date and Rita pays. Hmmm. Too bad her sisters are home to prevent young Paul from getting handcuffed to the bed and findout Crying Game-style what sorta six-shooter Rita is really packing."

draw your own conclusions from that one.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

A great rock album should scare your parents

They were never SCARED by the noise, just vaguely annoyed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Strongo Hulkington, I am sorry to disturb your meal.

Archie Leach (Archie Leach), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Can Yankee Hotel Foxtrot really be considered a classic yet? I mean, c'mon, I loved the disc but I don't think I've listened to it in at least six months. And I have friends who were far more into it than I and even they haven't really put it on in a long while.

Great record, but it just seems to have sort of fallen off.

Travelin' Smith, Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Can Yankee Hotel Foxtrot really be considered a classic yet?

Clearly they needed something from the past seven years to include...and that was all they could think of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get me wrong, rap can be great fun. At its early best...

Can I be Ethan for a second, please?

A great rock album should scare your parents...

KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL ARRRGGHHHFUCK

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

If you're going to get your jollies beating a dead horse, do something that actually contributes to overall well-being of humanity, like coming up with new knock-knock jokes.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Mike, did you know that you can really connect to the youth of today through the songs they listen to, and understand them better and help them with their personal problems? It's true!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

Ironically enough, for today's generation, where most children's parents were raised on a heavy dose of Led Zepplin and Aerosmith, Pet Sounds DOES scare the parents.

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

Rock and roll can lead to meeting people with similar interests.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

If rock really wanted to scare parents, people should write songs about how Medicare is going to be bankrupt in 20 years, or maybe how it's possible that your losses in the early 00's stock market may mean you have to work until 70....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

pet sounds wouldnt scare my mother, just bore her.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

No, you see, that wouldn't work, 'cause that scares everybody with half a brain, not just people who aren't hep enough to have studied the last fifty years of rock mythology.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha..."hep."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

whoa there daddio

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

If Scott can write something that causes Billy to take a new photo of himself in a clown suit and post it on his website, then he will have taken the crown.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

Or maybe he'll just dress as a pirate or a pierrot, to mix it up a little.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

But wouldn't you have to like him if he dressed up as a pirate?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

No, he'd find a way to make it look stupid. Trust me.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe he could be a dandy highwayman, because ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

It's obvious that he hasn't been scared for the majority of his career, then.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

So clearly you must salute him for his bravery! And self-control! Wait, let me think about that last part.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I made the mistake of spending money on this book. I am a fool.

J (Jay), Monday, 19 July 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

this was a great thread before it devolved into cap'beefheart stuff. its a shame nate doesn't post anymore. but I read Spin and he had a review in there so maybe he has better stuff to do. he is a big shot now!

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 19 July 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

haha, that colombian necktie crack was hilarious!

dave k, Monday, 19 July 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not gonna say who, but one of the writers has a blog with a account of their non-ironic participation in a Defense of Marriage rally.

Said writer once got into a blog war with me because I called said participants "morons" and "hate-filled." Said writer also exchanged several e-mails with me in the process, in which said writer came off as nice enough and all, but not too bright. Which would probably describe a great many people who would unironically participate in such a rally.

phil dennison, Monday, 19 July 2004 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

All I can say is that this book was absolutely stuffed with terrible writing. There may be two or three good essays in it.

J (Jay), Monday, 19 July 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry, but I have to share -- it's in the author's bio section, but this may be the funniest line in the book:

"Adrian Brijbassi's first novel, 50 Mission Cap (Trafford, 2001), was inspired by the music of the Tragically Hip..."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

*faints*

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

There are no words.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

Oh there are words all right. But we are observing decorum.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

Man, wait till you guys read my first novel I'm basing on a fictionalized version of Our Lady Peace!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

Do they get into a fight with Moist and then go and dance to Tea Party songs?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

shh, ned don't give away the plot! you will be hearing from my legal team.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

F. U. GORDON DOWNIE OR WHATEVER YOUR REAL NAME IS YOU TOQUE-SMOKING BACK BACON-CHOKING HOSER.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

I must say, the special kind of hate directed at this book is really interesting.

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

I think people are more bemused by the book than anything.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

It is more pity and awe.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry, but I have to share -- it's in the author's bio section, but this may be the funniest line in the book:

"Adrian Brijbassi's first novel, 50 Mission Cap (Trafford, 2001), was inspired by the music of the Tragically Hip..."

de gustibus non est disputandum. humor however. ;-)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

At least one chapter from this book has already gone on reserve here at UCI as part of some recent social studies class. I have no idea what to think. (It was the Fugazi chapter, unsurprisingly.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Fugazi chapter?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Bah, my brain hurts, I was confusing this with Our Band Could Be Your Life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Ah... see, that's a GOOD book. I was about to lose all faith in mankind if people were teaching second-rate alternative newsweekly writing in college classes.

Major McTwitch (kenan), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

Our Band Could Be Your Life...I wouldn't call it 'good'.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I would.

Major McTwitch (kenan), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Thats what makes you you and me me.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

I would describe "Our Band Could Be Your Life" as one book that killed thirteen books.

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

what didn't you guys like about the book? I thought it was pretty great...or was it just that you would have preferred each chapter to be developed more fully and in a longer form?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

I thought it was great in a lot of ways, but the writing was a little dull. I guess thats my main complaint. That and where he completely dismisses the 90s at the end. I still read it in about 2 days and then bought Vs. cause I had never heard of Mission of Burma before besides something about R.E.M. being into them or something. So I really can't complain.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

I would describe "Our Band Could Be Your Life" as one book that killed thirteen books.

I would say that is approximately OTM.

dan carville weiner, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

Probably 13 books that would never be published, though. What's the market for an in-depth bio of Husker Du?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

mark otm

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

Probably 13 books that would never be published, though

Not necessarily, especially given the rise of self-publishing. Who'd ever thought that a mini book about "Sign O the Times" would have a market? I'll bet an in-depth of Husker Du would push comparable numbers.

dan carville weiner, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

it's truly a bummer azerrad left out the meat puppets. i'll take meat puppets ii over any of the other great ones from the bands in that book.

drew, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm ... should I buy the in-depth Grant Hart bio or the novelization of the music of the Tragically Hip? Or perhaps forego them both for the collected columns of the former drummer for the rock group Gay Dad...

briania (briania), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

The National Review has its say. (I'm not kidding.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

"Kill Your Idols is often bad, sometimes even disturbing, and never dull. Kind of like rock-'n'-roll, after all."

Blech.

"It's crap, sure, but let me pat this shitty book on its head in a kindly and condescending way by saying, you know, it really makes ya think, which of course is another way of saying it exercises your repetoire of knee-jerk responses, only a little quicker and sharper than usual. And that's a good thing, for some vague reason or another."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
As far as the book goes- this type of anxiety-of-influence reputation-making power play was old when H4r14n E11!son insulted Is44c 4s!mov at the sci-fi convention way back when. As far as the thread goes- it was pretty entertaining.

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 26 December 2004 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

I thought the Radiohead essay, which I read at the Barnes and Noble, as spot-on.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 26 December 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Besides, you have to remember there is a watermark he has to aim for -- Everett True's spectacular demolition via live review from 1993...

Is that online anywhere?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 26 December 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Would have been way more interesting seeing some 68'ers take on recent canonical releases by Public Enemy, 2 Pac, Leftfield, Prodigy, Nirvana, Metallica, Human League, ABC etc.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 December 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

A great rock album should scare your parents

The worst mistake done by so many fans and critics alike throughtout rock history is the completely ridiculous idea express in this quote.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 December 2004 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

xpost OUR BAND: been a while since I read it, but thought he didn't exactly dismiss the 90s; rather a) he was deliberately focussing on one segment of the indie timeline (pre-Alternative alternative's road trip USA, getting out of the house and local scene:a part of the 80s where tourists are less likely to be taken). Thought he *kept his focus too, by zeroing in on chosen segment. Chosen, however, b) cos he seemed to want to end it right when the girls (incl. gurls, grrrrls, women, etc.) got into the clubhouse. Something about girls imiating Calvin of Beat Happening, like they done stole ol Calvin's blues (and pinks)!? So the book also ends where it should, in terms of his sparing us his possibly skewed-to-warped view of 90s (maybe I'm inferring too much; hope so, re what he might still write). Which 13 books did it kill? I bet some of those musos will write their own,sooner or later.(Mike Watt, hopefully, if it's not too painful given the loss of Boon. "Hopefully" because he's a good writer, judging by what I've read online.)

don, Monday, 27 December 2004 10:31 (twenty years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

This thread displays a lot of anticipation for the book, but not much comment on the book itself. I read this when it came out, and decided to look at it again now that I've heard all the records discussed.
It was pretty dispiriting. Too many of the essays display a lot of snark but not much wit; I agree with the person on Goodreads who said, "there is not a choice paragraph or phrase one comes away with". It made me wonder if bad reviews should be epigrammatic, confined to a maximum length of a paragraph.
I'm always willing to read criticism, even of things that I enjoy, but there's something inert about a piece of writing designed to tell you why a record is bad, especially if the writer feels that the record violates some sort of First Principle of Rock; so Pet Sounds and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot fail because they don't scare your parents, while Kick Out the Jams and the Public Enemy albums fail because it's wrong to scare your parents.
There's also a disjunct between the writers who have picked an album they think is OK, but overrated, and those who hate the entire genre or the artist. The former group feel they have to puff up their "hate" to keep the reader's interest; the latter display the irrelevance of their point-of-view.
I'm looking over the table of contents, and despite having read the book twice, most recently in the past week, I can't remember a single thing about more than half of the chapters.
The worst essay is probably Jim Walsh on Rumours; although it contains a fantasy of assassinating the band, it's really more about the author's loathing of his job as a newspaper rock critic, which in 2021 is fortunately no longer a problem for him.
Best essays:
- Chris Martiniano on Blood on the Tracks - he makes a number of incisive observations on the point-of-view of the songs and the structure of the record, though he is obsessed with making all 10 songs describe a single real life relationship.
- Dave Chamberlain on Exodus - sees the record as an overrated lull in Marley's oeuvre, discusses it in relation to his biography, discography and the state of reggae in 1977.
- Marco Leavitt on Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables - a measured appraisal of the lyrical and musical flaws.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 August 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link

I prefer Kill All Your Darlings.

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 August 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link


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