Holy SHIT is my reaction to You Do Your Thing by Montgomery Gentry

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1. It rocks harder than any fucking thing in the world.
2. It is completely fascist to the core.
3. The drinking song is called "I Got Drunk" and it's a power-waltz.
4. On one song they say that someone must be "on that marijuana"...
5. ...and on another, which is basically just freestyling over Sheryl Crow's "Are You Strong Enough to Be My Man," Eddie says he indulged in "free love, drugs, and alcohol."
6. They admit to buying a foreign car because it saves money on gas, but they also aren't afraid to pay more for gas if it makes their family "safer," whateverthefuck THAT means.
7. I hate myself for loving this record, but I still think Allison Moorer's record is better. (I say this knowing full well that Chuck E. will unload on me about how Moorer is boring now, but I stand by my statement, The Duel is a great record and it's brave as hell. But yeah this rocks harder, but that's not the only thing that's important in music, and Moorer rocks plenty, it's like an early Neil Young solo record. So there.)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

They admit to buying a foreign car because it saves money on gas, but they also aren't afraid to pay more for gas if it makes their family "safer," whateverthefuck THAT means.

It means driving an SUV makes you an unstoppable helltank of child-protecting ultrasafety.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

good guess Nate, but it's in the context of fighting terrorism I think. there's a thesis in country artists being mouthpieces for writers with explicit political agendas, but I ain't going back to school anytime soon.

oh yeah, there are really lovely gospel parts on that song, right along with their refusal to stop beating their children. after all, that's what their daddies did.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

When I started reading your first post B2D, the voice of Wesley Willis came into my head. Seems to apply up to number 4. Then you start to say more than he would in a line. heh.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

"power-waltz"!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago) link

Power ballads taken to a logical conclusion obv.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

it's actually technically in 6/8, but you can waltz to it for realz, it's about having gotten drunk because his woman wasn't alone when he went out drinking, so she better not give him any shit for it, but he still loves her

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

for some reason I've ended up on CMT while channel flipping more than usual lately, and I keep watching the "Hell Yeah" and "If You Ever Stop Loving Me" videos. I think there's a hypnotic quality about Montgomery's (or is it Gentry's?) big twirling mic stand.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

that's eddie montgomery, and it's his only "move" as far as I can tell. it's like "I'm really tough, and to prove it I will rotate the base of this microphone holder dealy!"

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, that's so awesome. are both of those songs on this album?

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

"hell yeah" isn't, that's from the 2002 album and it only got onto radio in 2003.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

both have a very hip-hop cadence to the verses, al, no? I'm not surprised you like them.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, "Hell Yeah" is kind of like the Ginuwine song of the same name but better.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

My album of the year so far, at the moment anyway, surprise surprise. Maybe I will even write about it this time. (My single of the year so far, which may not make my top ten list unless I find out what it is, may well be This remix of some Montgomery Gentry-like hard-rocking country song I heard on Bethlehem PA's Cat Country Radio station featuring a unbelievably hard-swinging '70s arena metal 16th note drum funk break, which eventually turns into an extended rap section by a guy named, um, Cowboy Somebody. I only heard it once. If anybody has ANY idea what it is, I absolutely beg that they tell me.)

The Alison Moerer record really isn't very good (at least compared to her last couple.) But maybe I will listen more and change my mind.

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

please chuck try again with moorer, it's amazing. or else don't, then I can be the only one correctly hyping it, future generations will be like 'that cibula was one on-the-ball dude.' Here's my take on it anyway.

And yeah, the first time I heard You Do Your Thing I thought "DAMN Chuck's gonna be all over this shit!" It beats Kenny Chesney with a hose.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

I am listening again to the Moerer right this second. So far, it sounds almost as tired and boring as her sister Shelby's last LP, heh heh (i.e., unusual for Alison.) Where the hell did her HOOKS go? I hear some Crazy Horse guitar-flow stuff, just no melodies as pretty as Neil's used to be. Snoozarama. But I will let it play through once again. Maybe she oughta aim for a *Trans* or *Reactor* next time....

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

Btw, if 2004 ended right now, Montgomery Gentry, Kenny Chesney, and the Walker Bros would ALL probably make my top ten album list. A great year for country-rock already, and not a soul has noticed...

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

"not a soul"? what about here?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

You sold your soul to the devil, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

(and Chuck I know you aren't going to hear this but I think Moorer has ditched the "hook" thing On Purpose, I'll write more about it on The Freelance Mentalists soon, can't really get into it here) (plus you don't care) (plus this is a MG thread, and they're pretty much tailor-made for you, hooks-a-poppin' right and left) (well, mostly right, ain't nothin' lefty about them boys)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Montgomery Gentry. You guys are on the fuckin' pipe. Well, have fun, you wacky populists! Montgomery Gentry, I can't even say it without laughing. I guess you all need something to say you really like. Nashville works its insidious magic on you gullible yankees yet agin. Montgomery Gentry, Montgomery Gentry. Yep, them's the gentry in my neck of the woods. For heaven's sake.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Cubula vs. Chuck on country music is currently the best thing about ILM.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

with Cibula vs. Chuck on Latin pop being a close 2nd.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, I kinda like Matt's review of that deadassed drab Alison Moerer album, except that he makes the record sound like the good-for-you spinach and liver it is: "bleak and nihilistic and honest"; "torn from someone’s guts, born under a bad sign, shorn of all ornament and fake smiles and fripper," in these lines, matt makes the record sound there like the most boring and NPR-ready piece of stodge-folk tedium on earth (when really it's not even in the top thousand most boring records of all time, I absolutely admit it)! "Hard to listen to"? Well, OF COURSE it's hard to listen to; there's no TUNES on the thing! I don't believe in listening to records just because they're nutritious; to paraphrase Frank Kogan, I want my Alison Moerers to be tunas that taste good, not just tunas with good taste, you know?

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

fripper = frippery.

Unless we're talking "*Arbum Genelic Fripper,* I guess.

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

And I honestly don't understand what could possibly be "brave" about giving NPR and *No Depression* fans exactly the tedium they want. That's not brave at all; it's toeing a line that hasn't budged for a decade! (I mean, it's not like Moerer was having loads of Nashville hits anyway, was she? So what, exactly, does she have to LOSE?)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

Is there a single from the MG record yet?

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not trying to lose my cool over the Alison Moerer record; I mean, it sounds pleasant in the background (I don't HATE the thing, just find it impossible to get excited about), and I don't doubt that Matt feels about it the way he says he does. I do, though, get the idea from his review that this is a record he feels he SHOULD like, for some reason. The review sounds like he's trying really really hard to convince himself that Alison has done something courageous here, when really (if the record is what he says it is) she just made a dadburn Greil Marcus record (whether Greil Marcus has jumped on it yet, or not). (Which isn't to say that I doubt Alison's pain; I'm sure it's very real, though I have no idea what experiencing true pain has to do with making truly good music. And it should be noted that traumas I experienced in my own childhood aren't all THAT much different than what Shelby and Alison went through as kids. Plus, they're richer than me! Not to mention at least a little bit more photogenic.)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

Colin: the single is "If You Ever Stopped Loving Me," which is pretty much just "Hell Yeah" except it's (ostensibly) about a girl instead of right-wingers listening to a bar band. It's not, really, though; the whole title and 'oh baby I need you' plot is totally grafted on, the rest of the song is just a laundry list of other subjects they love: getting beat up by your dad, livin' fast, runnin' round, being a man's man in a man's world. The chorus comes in and it's like "dude, what's up with that?" If you watch VH1 Country for more than five minutes you'll see the video, they're on big bikes with Vietnam vet bikers.

Chuck: You're always so confident in your opinions! I admire that a lot. I have a hard time with the idea that my taste can absolutely apply for all other humans on the planet. But let me get over that for a second. This record is far from liver and onions, it HAS hooks (just not the obvious hit-ya-over-the-head Kix-and-Dunn ones you love so much), the stripped-down approach IS sometimes better, it IS brave for a country singer to write and perform songs that are critical of the Amurricaloveitorleaveit idea, I never said that you should listen to any record that's good for you, it's a really good record full of songs that take a little bit of work BUT THAT IS A GOOD THING IN THIS CASE. And when did it become okay to be a snob against NPR people? Isn't that hypocritical? Anyway, it makes no sense as a criticism to imply that she sold out; Moorer's record won't sell any copies at all, and MontGent will be huge for months, because they've got the hooks that apparently are the only thing that matters in music.

(I wrote all that before I read your last post, so let me elaborate just a bit further. I like listening to this album, I have since the first time I heard it, I like the way it sounds, I sing along to it, I didn't have to work really hard to hate it.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Where did I say she sold out? And I have nothing against NPR people; I'm one myself a lot of the time. But it just seems strange to me to pretend that Moerer's audience is this conservative country crowd; it's not. She's not part of the Nashville mainstream in the first place, so why pretend she's the Dixie Chicks (who ARE brave -- and who don't cloud their politics in a muffled lifeless fog that probably won't speak to anybody who doesn't already agree in the first place)? (Plus, Nashville is hardly politically monolithic in the first place itself; people like Brooks and Dunn and Martina McBride strike me as liberals, basically. Not everybody down there is Montgomery Gentry and Toby Keith.) But honestly, making a politcal record that nobody to the right of center is going to buy or even notice is hardly the bravest thing in the world to do (an ALLEGEDLY political record -- *I& don't hear the politics on the thing, because Alison's voice and music and words never draw me in to it; even the way you describe the lyrics in your piece, they sound a lot vaguer than, say, the anti-war stuff on the latest Merle Haggard album...)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

And I also believe Montgomery Gentry's shitty politics are way too complicated to be dismissed as "fascist" (though I think you probably agree with me on that; in fact, you kinda say so on this thread...)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, "You Do Your Thing I Do Mine" is more libertarian than fascist anyway, isn't it? And that's the title line of the album!

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

And saying Montgomery Gentry have nothing BUT hooks is just ridiculous; don't believe me about that -- read your own posts on this thread, Matt! (Saying I only like music with hooks is silly, too; I've been offering evidence to the contrary for a couple decades. Saying I only like Alison Moerer albums when they have hooks might well be accurate, though; hooks are about all SHE had in the first place, near as I can tell. Ditto her sis, whose last album was overrated by critics and whose previous one was underrated. She's the one everybody accused of selling out, WHEN she got catchy! Rock critics really do hate fun sometimes. It's a sickness, I swear.)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

In other words, I doubt I'd like Montgomery Gentry so much if their music didn't grab me so much, right. But that's hardly the ONLY thing I (or you) (or the country audience) think is interesting about them.

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

>hooks are about all SHE had in the first place, near as I can tell.<

Probably an exagerration, of course. I mean, her live album made my top ten country list last year, and I liked the album before that; she must be doing *something* to draw me on on those CDs. But she's not nearly as intriuging or engaging an act as Montgomery Gentry is. Sad to say, she's probably not as smart as them, either. Though given the choice, I'm sure she's the one I'd have over for dinner. (She's way more like ME than Montgomery Gentry. But big deal, you know?)

chuck, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

>hooks are about all SHE had in the first place, near as I can tell.<


she has a really good voice. you might have liked that about her.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

I liked that live one too. and i'm pretty sure it was her voice that drew me in and not the songs.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

sorry, I was outside playing with the kids. the weather's nice, and all of a sudden the whole neighborhood is out in full effekt boyeeeee.

chuck, I didn't say that hooks were ALL m-gent had! or at least I didn't mean to. they've both got great voices, their producers frame them very well and have a lot more gospel touches on this record than b&d did on their record (which I think you overrated last year but I also liked), their writers know how to write for them perfectly. (have they ever written a song for themselves? troy has a co-writing credit on my least favorite song on this one.) it's a great record, really, it is, it sounds awesome. but I like the moorer record more, and I think she's a better songwriter with better songs and sings them better. but it's a downer record, mostly; sometimes ya gotta rip it up, and then I reach for my revolver...uh, m to the g.

as for politics...I'll get into this later, elsewhere.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

and I know you don't care who writes a song or who produces it and that's a fair point so don't argue with me about it we agree.

damn we're like the bickersons all up in here.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

This is indeed a great thread, as Sonny A observed. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I can't wait to hear this.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

matt are you on slsk? if so beep me - jblount74

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

blount I don't do s**ls**k, sorry, technology is not my middle name

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 15 April 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, does anyone know who does that ultra-earnest version of All-4-One's "I Could Love You LIke That" that I keep hearing on THE WOLF, Portland's premiere Nashvile station.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:51 (twenty years ago) link

That would be the original version, by Eddie Montgomery's big brother John Michael Montgomery.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man, I had no idea that was a John Michael Montgomery song

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

That's so much less exciting

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

Huh, according to AMG the JMM and A41 versions came out the same year

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:13 (twenty years ago) link

This is a good thread...I mean I can't listen to that music for a lot of reasons. One of them is the libertarian politics, in fact that pretty much scotches a lot of current music made in Nashville (I don't call it country, I don't care if you do). It all just sounds like suburban rock with country accents, and I get enough of that just living in Nashville. Maybe Mongtomery Gentry says something about its audience, which ain't me; in fact I'm sure it does, but I'm honest enough to say, perhaps irrationally, that I don't want to even know about it.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

Eddie, I used to feel that way about country music; as I've noted on another thread, a lot of that was because I went to grade school and high school in a little country town in Oregon, where a lot of people listened to country music. Then, of course, I decided to like only "good country": Hank Sr., pretty much, and maybe the occasional honky-tonk song. And then I opened my mind a little more, and then a little more, and now I feel like I can judge each song individually on its own merits, each artist too, without being knee-jerk about it.

As for politics, I hope you adhere to as strict a code with ALL artists, and only listen to things that you agree with, songs that measure up to your strict-sounding moral code. That will leave all the "incorrect" songs out there for me to listen to. Montgomery Gentry could not be more different from me, politically, and Eddie looks like every guy who ever wanted to kick my ass...but I will be very happy this weekend drinking beer and blasting their CD while I clean my garage.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago) link

Could someone please share this on slsk?

frankE, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

Begs2, I grew up in Nashville. This music we're discussing is for people who live in suburbs and who want to be good ol' boys. I am not a good ol' boy myself, so it's not for me. The weird libertarian politics are enough to make me ignore it; and musically, it's just so uninteresting. If I want rock, I'll listen to rock; ditto country, there's plenty to listen to. It's not about a "moral code," it's about what I want to hear, what's interesting. You need to come on down south and see for yourself just what this combination of libertarianism and conservatism is doing to not only the region but the whole country--it's fuckin' it up and things like Montgomery Gentry are, I have to say, a symptom of it. Now Chuck Eddy and others make a living telling us these kind of artists are worthwhile and the real deal, no elitism for them. Well, Chuck Eddy is very entertaining, I've read his books and enjoy him in the Voice, and maybe he's sincere. But I just look at it from a different angle--I ain't making my living at it, so I simply don't care. And I'm frankly prejuidiced against the products of modern Nashville--it's a really bogus machine producing this stuff, in my opinion, and I'm aware I probably have some outdated notions of what's cool and what's not, but it's far too populist for me to take seriously. The old country was about trucks; shit like Montgomery Gentry is about NASCAR and expensive lawn tractors. If that's your America, have at it!

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

eddie how old are you that that Nashville you grew up in didn't have NASCAR????

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link

i mean now offense but that posts REEKS of carpetbagger!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:30 (twenty years ago) link

" (My single of the year so far, which may not make my top ten list unless I find out what it is, may well be This remix of some Montgomery Gentry-like hard-rocking country song I heard on Bethlehem PA's Cat Country Radio station featuring a unbelievably hard-swinging '70s arena metal 16th note drum funk break, which eventually turns into an extended rap section by a guy named, um, Cowboy Somebody. I only heard it once. If anybody has ANY idea what it is, I absolutely beg that they tell me.""

Looks like this is "Rollin (The Ballad of Big & Rich)" by Big & Rich featuring Cowboy Troy, first (!!!) song on THEIR album, which means the cut immediately preceding "Wild West Show," which is ANOTHER one of the year's best singles so far. Rap lyrics from the lyric sheet, holy fuck: "BAak home we love to dance/We could be two-steppin' or ravin to trance/And when the party is crunk the girls back it up/We've got the systems in the cars and the 20s on the trucks..."

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

actually, listening to the song with cowboy troy in it again, though, i doubt it will make my top ten singles.......and it may not rock as hard as I thought at first....very weird to hear without warning on country radio, though.

(The press release calls Cowboy Troy "the world's only six foot five inch, 250 pound black cowboy rapper, who throws down in three languages and has a degree in economics to boot." "Wild West Show" has a chorus that goes "hey yaaaaa" and guitars that totally sound like a spaghetti western or something, and Big and Rich say that their fans listen to Ludacris and Outkast and Kenny Chesney and Johnny Cash and Kid Rock, and that "Nashville's going to catch up with that"...."Life's as large as you want to make it.")

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

Or maybe the song with the rap in it (not the only one on the album, it turns out, though the most blatant one) DOES rock as hard as I thought it di.d (Hey, I just noticed part of it is rapped in Spanish too, cool, and then it goes into a hamsterdance squeak for a second). (And the album verges toward rock en espanol now and then, too.) Well anyway, I got a few months to decide if the song'll make my top ten I guess. Album looks like a top ten possibility for sure. (PS Did I mention Will to Power cover both "Man of Constant Sorrow" AND "The Bottle" by Gil Scott Heron on THEIR new LP? I can already tell this year's top ten is gonna be impossible to whittle down. And to think some people out there still think music sucks now. Jeezus. THEY suck.)

chuck, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

If I hear one more redneck comment blindly on terrorism (a la that idiot Toby Keith), I'll flip.

uh, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

That song sounds totally dope, chuck. You know, of course, that Rich of Big&Rich co-wrote "Redneck Woman," right? And that the best song on that Gretchen Wilson album is a gospel song about drag-racing chariots? And you've heard the scratching on "If you ever stopped loving me," right?

And to Eddie: I admire your brave stand; like I said, I used to feel that way, that there were whole segments of the country that I could snub because they weren't as enlightened as me. Then I realized that that is really fucking arrogant so I stopped. I was so much older then, etc.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

Then I realized that that is really fucking arrogant so I stopped

Yeah, but what if he does that and still doesn't care for the music?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I don't expect to convert him over to the music. He's made that clear.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

that "Redneck Woman" song is weird. I mean, she just looks like way too much of a glamor girl in the video, even when she's all white trashed up, for me to really buy it when she sings those lyrics. kind of a "Jenny From The Block" type cognitive dissonance, I guess.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

"Redneck Woman" DID teach me, though, that I've been pronouncing "Tanya Tucker" wrong all my life, though. (and I had no idea til now that Big and Rich co-wrote it. They are GREAT songwriters, judging from their album. They even have one song where cops kick their ass for playing Led Zeppelin too loud at a party! Though "Wild West Show" is conceivably even more offensive to Native Americans than Outkast's Grammy performance, if not Tim McGraw's "Indian Outlaw.") (And yep, I did notice the brief two-second turntable scratching in the MG hit.) (And I also noticed that Bob Rosenberg from Will to Power has apparently only written a handful of new songs in the past 14 years, since his new album is maybe half cover versions. I have no idea whether to hold laziness against him or not, since the record sounds so good. And I also don't know whether covering "The Bottle" means he graduated from a 12-step program.)

chuck, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

Matt, did you see on another thread a month or two ago where I also talked about Bethlehem's Cat Country station playing the looooong (15 minute or so) version of "Rapper's Delight" as part of a children's hospital benefit on a Saturday afternoon? And then the very next day, I think, the DJ was scratching the guitar riff from "Sweet Home Alabama" into Charlie Daniels's great "Legend of Wooley Swamp," and it was one of the funkiest things I've ever heard on the radio in my life. (And a few weeks before, on Superbowl Sunday, Toby Keith had half of Run DMC plus Steve Tyler join him on stage for a version of his great song "Let's Talk About Me"; I saw it later on CMT.)

chuck, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, I actually really enjoyed Eddie Hurt's posts up above; they sounds really righteous and honest and self-aware to me. Problem is, Eddie says what he doesn't like about the audience, and about how records are supposedly made in Nashville (though I have no idea what "machine" he thinks would be less "bogus"), but he never says what's not good about the MUSIC we're talking about on this thread, except that it's "suburban rock with country accents." I wish I understood why people think that's a bad thing -- musically, I mean. (Though I guess Eddie's saying he doesn't CARE if it's good, which is fine, since he obviously has no obligation to listen to the stuff.) But is suburban rock with non-country accents inherently better? When Jimmie Rodgers or Hank Williams or Elvis or George Jones or Merle Haggard were mixing country with non-country, how was that different? Are country accents without rock underneath somehow more honest, or something? Seems to me suburbia and rural America are pretty often one and the same these days. But who knows, maybe that's just because I spend so much time in Bucks County, Pennsylvania...But even if it is, I listen to music for MUSIC. I don't really care about "honesty" anyway. And if the best music out there is "bogus", why fight it? (Well, okay, maybe you just don't LIKE the people in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Which I DO understand, since I don't like lots of them, either, at least the Republicans with SUVs and flags in their front yard, the ones who don't want my kids to learn about evolution in school. But the people and the music are two different things, right?)

chuck, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

See, that's the thing. If the test of "real country music" is its audience's authenticity, whatever that means, then Eddie himself is DQ'ed, based on his owning of a computer, and his living in this century, etc. Hell, I went to grade and high school in a place MUCH smaller and ruraler than Nashville, and I now live by proud choice in The Most Liberal Place in this section of the country. I think I can be a vegan animal-rightsist bleeding-heart union-backing Democrat and STILL like music that isn't primarily made for people like me. Especially if it is really good.

P.S. Chuck I just bought the Loretta Lynn record.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

are the other montgomery gentry albums worth hearing? if so, with which should i start?

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

I'd say MG's second album is easily the best, then probably the new one, then their third one, then their debut. But second through fourth place are VERY neck and neck. So yeah, buy 'em all...

chuck, Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

i don't spend a lot of time in bucks county, pa., and i didn't grow up in nashville, but by chance i was in nashville for two days last weekend, and "redneck woman" was all over the radio, and i had absolutely no idea who it was by, or where it came from, but i'm pretty sure it's the catchiest song i've heard all year. and it's funny. and rousing. and all that. hell yeah.

so i went into the ernest tubb's record shop on broadway, where i assume they would know everything about everything, and very meekly asked who does that "hell yeah" song that's all over the radio, and to my shock and awe, no one who works at the store had a clue. one guy was pretty sure it was the dixie chicks, and even brought me over to the dixie chicks section to help me try to find it on their current album, but that search turned up empty. i thought it was kinda funny that the people selling records to all the tourists in downtown nashville don't listen to the radio. or maybe they've just got it tuned to the honky-tonk oldies station or something. but then again, "redneck woman" would sound FANTASTIC on a honky-tonk oldies station.

i also fell in love with terri clark's "girls lie too" while i was there.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

i can totally see the appeal of pop-country being its unpretentiousness, which just seems to come so naturally to alot of these artists because (I'm assuming) many of them grew up in this milieu and they no doubt have alot of shared experience with their audience, so when they write about their own lives it can't help but sound perfectly relatable and completely effortless, whereas when you're coming from an outsider's perspective, either someone who grew up outside the culture or who grew up within it but decided to reject certain aspects of it, then obviously it's harder to find your audience, either they're gonna be similar turncoats or they're gonna be rubbernecking cultural tourists (ie. the NPR straw man).

i get the impression with some of the pop-country guys that they could just as easily be working construction or driving trucks, and i don't mean that as an insult or to demean their art, i just mean it feels like their music isn't something they have to step outside of their lives to do...in fact i think you can see the same thing with hip-hop, so many mainstream artists grow up in the same cultural context and share a similar experience with such a large number of people that they just seem to fit the desires and demands of their audience perfectly, whereas these indie-rappers (white or black) often just look like they're trying too hard to relate to a culture they either haven't experienced first-hand, or did experience and then maybe rejected it as too materialistic, nihilistic, whatever (not saying they're right for feeling that way neccessarily).

and as far as the audience is concerned, i think it's also easy to be envious of people who treat their music as an extension of life rather than something to be picked apart and analyzed to death, as something you might have to work a little harder at in order to fit into your ideological/spiritual framework or whatever...basically, i think it's terrific that pop-country does such a great job of speaking to its audience, i don't know, maybe i'm just saying we should cut the misfits a little more slack, i'd argue that they're speaking to people too, just that it might not be as obvious.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 30 April 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

i get the impression with some of the pop-country guys that they could just as easily be working construction or driving trucks, and i don't mean that as an insult or to demean their art, i just mean it feels like their music isn't something they have to step outside of their lives to do...in fact i think you can see the same thing with hip-hop

i'm not so sure that's true. 99 percent of the people making these records we're hearing on the radio and talking about, whether it's in nashville or anywhere else, have spent their entire lives preparing and practicing to be musicians, not construction guys or truck drivers. they've been eating, sleeping and drinking nothing but music for a long time. they're artists who have SOUGHT to be artists. you don't get record deals by accident these days, at least most people don't. you get them by deciding pretty early in your life that you don't want to be a truck driver or a construction guy. it's a conscious choice and it separates artist and fan in a very real way.

if they give the impression in their songs -- whether they're writing them or singing them or whatever -- that they share similar experiences with their fans, i'd argue that that's because on a larger level all humans share similar experiences. and great singers and writers are able to express that experience in an interesting way. but it's a HUGE effort. what seems effortless is the result of a lot of work. even for rednecks.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 30 April 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
so You Do Your Thing is finally in stores today. I'm kinda on the fence as to whether I'll pick it up.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

oh, and this is pretty relevent to the thread: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0419/cibula.php

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Sure, some of the hooks are good -- the chorus of "Something to be Proud Of" (even though all the compression takes alot away from it, as it does on Gone), all of "If You Ever Stop Loving Me" (the whole reason why I got this), "It's All Good". But most of the lyrics are just awful -- not politically or socially, just so fucking simplistic as to be moronic. Oh, wait, that's the point -- Pffft.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
the new video for "You Do Your Thing" is pretty nuts, Troy going after a drug dealer with a baseball bat while his kids watch from the backseat of an SUV that has dead animals strapped to the hood.

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

The thing that most bugs me about "You Do Your Thing" is the lyric "You can bet I'll pick up the phone if Uncle Sam calls me up." Uh, Uncle Sam ain't gonna dial your number, motherfucker. That and when, in the video, Eddie takes of his hat. Brrrrr. It sends chills.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

I watched CMT and some other country video channel for a while last night, and this never came on, so I still haven't seen it. Anyway, do Montgomery or Gentry actually beat their kids in the video like they say they do in the song? If not, what fucking chickenshits, y'know?

chuck, Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I caught it on CMT's site. Top link here: http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/montgomery_gentry/artist.jhtml?_requestid=85907

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

The video I saw that really DID piss me off was the dumdass Joe Nichols "If Nobody Believed in You" one, his protest song about how old blind codgers should be able to drive and hit sad kids who just struck out in little league if they want, and how God quit trying when they took prayer out of public schools. (I guess country morons don't really offend me unless they're sensitive, SMARMY morons. The redneck asshole morons are kind of fun, even Trace Adkins when he's laughing at those yuppies despite his fucking ponytail which somebody really needs to chop off with a butcher knife. The Alison Krauss/Brad Paisley video about the World War II couple drinking themselves both to death is pretty cool, too, even though its line about putting the bottle to their heads and pulling the trigger makes no fucking sense. Weirdest video, though, has to be the Terri Clark "Girls Lie Too" one, about the lady who, while laying next to her ugly obese husband, fantasizes in her dream about sex with a gay pirate who commits fellatio to a turkey drumstick and looks like the singer from Dead or Alive or that guy in Army of Lovers. What the hell's THAT all about?)

chuck, Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

dude that's Wayne Newton and a Johnny Depp-as-Captain Jack Sparrow impersonator, respectively! but yeah that video is bizarre.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

(The other video I'm kinda of obsessed with these days, by the way, is a hip-hop one: "Slow Motion", where Juvenille attends a sad beautiful funeral {for Sister Soulja, apparently} and sings an equally sad lovely song about girls' butts and how he doesn't have sex with women who are having their period. That video has nothing AT ALL to do with the song, unless I'm totally missing something...)

chuck, Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

the rapper who does the hook and first verse is Soulja Slim, who died last year, hence the mourning, although yeah, there is some cognitive dissonance with the song's subject matter.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

After he tried to beat the drug dealer's face in, I thought that was gonna be the last straw and Montgomery Gentry was gonna kick everyone's ass a la Michael Douglas in "Falling Down" but then he went back to brooding in his truck. Whatta letdown.

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 6 August 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, the end of the video is totally confusing and anticlimactic. a pretty blonde gets into a limo with a bunch of old men, and Troy makes eye contact with her and points at her ominously, then they drive away and nothing happens. wtf?

Al (sitcom), Friday, 6 August 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
"Freedom Isn't Free" from Team America sounds disturbingly like a Montgomery Gentry song.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

which one?

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

The country song being played while Gary tours DC... "Freedom isn't free, no there's a hefty fucking fee" etc.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

four weeks pass...
I just saw the video for this on launch (haha right after "Holy Water"!) and jesus fucking christ this is the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the singer wants to kill me.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:53 (twenty years ago) link

I've never heard any of their other songs but I remember seeing a CMT doc about them a year or two ago and they seemed pretty pleasant. What happened? They're gonna come to my apt and beat the shit out of me!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

Makes the Lil Jon and Ludacris videos I just saw seem pretty pussy comparison.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

in comparison.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
dismissed as "Dud" without comment by Christgau. Surely, a choice cut or two is warranted, at minimum.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
how is it that in "I Ain't Got it All that Bad" an eminent domain repossession of half the narrator's yard is, like, no big deal?

teh Nü and Impröved john n chicago (frankE), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

this is a great thread. the things discussed are definitely something I needed to know about.

I love the CMT site's 'Sorry, video is not supported for Macintosh computers at this time' message when you try to watch anything, even with WMP installed... we don't even want you here, you fuckin' Mac owners

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 1 August 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

this is the best thread on ILM

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link

this album does indeed rock very hard

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link

RIP Troy Gentry

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link

if you squint a little bit, this is a Hold Steady album

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link

that's not a diss btw

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link


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