One Dove - Classic or Dud?

even though a record obviously inspired by it was better (Parrelel Life, by The Starseeds), most of what came next were just OD wannabies, like hooverphonic, delerium's latest crud and so forth

i haven't been too impressed by Dot's solo work, i'm still hoping they'll reunite one day

'afterglow' didn't really do it for me. the thing i loved most about 'morning dove white' was its lightness. the songs weren't all upbeat but listening to the album was a cheering experience. afterglow isn't really the same. i don't think i've manage to play it twice.

uh...revive...i guess... though i suspect this thread will slip quickly back down to the bottom of the page.

Afterglow is the most blatant attempt at a kind of techno-Dusty thing ever ever but I fell for it totally, all classicist francophile-y luxuryheartbreak and Mo' Pop is entirely devotional and PERFECT and magnificent. As mentioned upthread MDW win-wins due to absolute lightness of touch and the singles are basically pre-emptive versions of the Afterglow tracks except fractionally less self-conscious about being all classic pop, and the ten minute cellophane yacht mixes are swirly churny perfection which make a virtue of not really going anywhere. So, it is brilliant and glorious really.

(not a Dot Allison thread as SUCH so apologies)

xpost..
apparently the vinyl release of the album was pretty much as it was originally conceived they CD version is very different and much "poppier".

so, where does this leave those of us who had it on cassette? other than stuck in the early 90s..

oh, classic, by the way.

listen to the arab strap remix of dot allison's message personnel, it's great.

It isn't, no. Although is quite nice. But mostly kind of stiff anonymous sonic-lego-waft sort of thing.

'Afterglow' is a fantastic record, better overall than the One Dove record.

Listening to them now, it may well be so. The highlights of Morning Dove White probably top the best bits of Afterglow but only very slightly, and Afterglow is way way more consistent and is rich-rich velvety-clarity where MDW is murky and spectral and stuff. These are both really really exceptionally magnificent pop records, in fact.

6 Music - Dream Ticket
One Dove - at Glasgow Barrowlands 1993
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml

just bought the flacs of the original "fallen" 12" on soma from the label's website... they sound great, less madonna and more spacy. plus, all this time you wonder who the angel in the song is, and it's holden caufield! i love the opening in the older version:

and the whole time he kept singing
and humming
i got up closer
so i could hear
what the hell he was singing
"if a body catch a body
coming through the rye"
what he was singing

you know, flipping through the book... this song's lyrics are full of catcher in the rye quotes!

I dug out the album and a few 12" lately (from the archives, as it were) and I have to say I've been rather impressed with how well the tunes hold up. It's a shame they didn't last longer because I think they had something special going for them (not just Weatherall). Also some great remixes (Secret Knowledge / Slam / etc) but unsurprisingly they haven't held up as well. Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ft2XjIq88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSdentVvRYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxtydeeTYo

The sorta underwater dreaminess of "Sirens" is my favorite moment on this album, but overall I LOVE this record through and through. They got it just right, the Sarah Records melody meets pulsating dub meets breathy chanteuse cross pollination really worked for me on a bunch of levels. Still play this one a lot.

after forgetting all about this lot, i'm currently ripping the cd eps, and the album now into the digital archive.

still sounds f*cking amazing.

lana del who ?

I can't remember if it was here on ilm or back on the fmbb, but stirmonster told me one time that Dot Allison bullied him in high school and now I think of that every time I listen to One Dove.

oh no .. thats pretty grim ..

well tell stirmonster that her last solo album was complete shyte ..

what goes around ..

How in the world did I forget how wonderful "There Goes the Cure" is?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:01 PM (8 years ago)

totally.

not heard this track properly in years.
old school 'trip hop' it may be, but damn, its rather lovely ..

oh, and i hope they never remaster this album and compress the f*ck out of it, as the sheer space and dynamics in the music sound soo good.

[helloo sick .. ]

Never heard this. Listening to the embeds now. This is great stuff!

welcome mule ..

Thanks.

"Why don't you take me". Devastating. I'm never gonna get to bed now.

well, if that hits the spot, then try 'colour me' from dot allison's second "solo" album afterglow ..

gorgeous.

Yeah, pretty killer as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI7M9gvRFuc

incredible song — I wonder if the Orbital bros had it in mind when they recorded 'The Box' a few years later. the US version of Morning Dove White is superior to the UK version if only because it includes an extended 9-minute version of 'My Friend'

Morning Dove Red? Unreleased mostly complete second album? Sounds pretty good to me but I'm only a few songs in. Any other corroboration of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_D-yvP4Uw

this album is so sick

xpost - weird, I wonder how that material surfaced. there are a few references to it online and I think that youtube upload was sourced from this blog entry (mp3 link in comments). it looks like the tracks have been circulating since at least 2010. I wasn't aware of it until now, so thanks for the mention!

https://forum.popjustice.com/threads/one-dove-dot-allison.17115/
http://baggingarea.blogspot.com/2018/09/doved.html

more unreleased material from the same blog:

http://electronicvibes.blogspot.com/2017/08/one-dove-unreleased-second-album-1996.html

HFS, I had no idea any of the second album material leaked - thankyouthankyouthankyou!

I knew of it, but all the links I found were dead ones, so thanks!

I listened to "Fallen" a few times yesterday. Sublime.

umm .. all the links are dead.
has anyone managed to get the tracks ?

I got a "forbidden" on one set, zippyshare has issues.

I do have an alt way, might try it later..

The unreleased album has been freely available on soulseek for years. You should be able to find it there fairly easily

ahh, beyond my options then.
hey ho.

https://flac.rattaprofid.ee/168491/one-dove-moon-angel-morning-dove-red-download-flac.html

thanks for the pointer GP, will see if i can sort things out without having to hand over credit card details.

Ah, sorry. Didn't realise you had to register on that site.

When I got it several years ago there was a site hosting it for direct download without any need to sign in etc. Guess it doesn't exist anymore and most searches now just bring up the youtube video

If you can't find it anywhere, I can sort you out with a copy

huh, all of the zippyshare links from the electronicvibes blog worked for me. which one(s) are people having trouble with? maybe they're blocked in bloodpuddingland?

I've got the 14-track "second album" mp3s, ILX-mail me if you can't get 'em from Zippyshare.

They've been completely written out of history, right? You never see them mentioned anywhere, it's difficult to imagine much enthusiasm if they were to reform.

They were even left off of a big Weatherall mix that somebody posted onto Youtube yesterday as a tribute. It's a shame! I imagine Morning Dove White would be more highly regarded/remembered today if the band had stuck together for at least a couple more albums. Lot of good artists of that era (One Dove, Insides, Earthling, etc.) kind of hit it and quit it, and vanished from memory.

I'd forgot that Ian Carmichael had been the producer for the Orchids, so that's another avenue to explore if you love Morning Dove White, it's generally a far cry from One Dove but sometimes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_EA_9VB9GM

As it happens I'm listening to the Orchids' Who Needs Tomorrow comp at the moment! I was not aware or had forgotten about the Ian Carmichael connection...

Belated kudos to Dot Allison for getting Hal David to write a song on Afterglow by the way. Everybody's always all "Bacharach Bacharach Bacharach" and she ropes in the forgotten guy.

i think part of the reason One Dove don't get the love re Weatherall, is cos the actual albums credits have very little mention of him.
and with all the extra record label touching up took away his ownership of it.
don't get me wrong, for all the record label bollox, i absolutely love the album.
both Weatherall, and Orbit were perfect for the sound of the album as they were both at the top of their respective games.
but i guess for many people it's not really regarded as an Andrew Weatherall produced album.

I think I recall some interview with Weatherall at the time, along the lines of "you should have heard the original mixes, before the others got their mitts on 'em!" or some such. Have always hoped that if true, some kind of "director's cut" version of MDW would see the light of day, maybe as part of a legacy reissue. Not exactly holding my breath.

It's pretty much all him though, isn't it? Stephen Hague did the radio mixes of White Love and Breakdown, but the rest is all Sabres of Paradise I thought.

I'd heard that the original vinyl release had a different mix from the CD versions (above and beyond the track differences between the US and UK CD versions) but can't afford a vinyl copy to find out.

It's def a Weatherall/Sabres joint, but I have this recollection of him saying in the press that he felt the final product had been watered down somewhat.

Forgot that Jah Wobble played on the album!

actually, i have just ventured into the hidden corners of the archive and checked GFSX and you are right.
the Orbit versions are on the cd singles.
apologies for the distraction.
in which case, why is this virtually ignored as part of Weatheralls catalogue as per Matts suggestion ?
and yeah, would love to hear the original version of the album, but i don't ever think its going to happen.

also, creation tried to sort out their own One Dove type of album.
randomly picked up this cd back in the day, and its clearly a One Dove influenced release :

https://www.discogs.com/Sheer-Absolutely-Sheer/master/193553

Love this album so much, especially the cheese-pinnacle of “There Goes The Cure”.

It's def a Weatherall/Sabres joint, but I have this recollection of him saying in the press that he felt the final product had been watered down somewhat.

maybe he was talking about the pre-album 12" mixes of Fallen and Transient Truth... those are definitely different, way more dance than the album's headphones-on-the-couch vibe (which I vastly prefer, but you can see what he means)

I have that Sheer album as well (for some reason they also went by Sheer Taft.) Creation's brief venture into dance was pretty fruitful (Hypnotone, Love Corporation and of course the Weatherall remix of "Soon"!) I think Sheer may have actually predated Morning Dove White though. You're right though, very similar sound.

love that the singer in Sheer was called Ingrid Kudos

I was thinking Weatherall had been involved with Dot Allison's 'We Are Science', but looking at Discogs it was Keith Tenniswood who worked on it.

Thought I still had my copy of 'MDW' but turned out I didn't so now have another on the way.

just found out when checking credits as per above that one of my cd singles has a nasty black dot rot situation, but thankfully i have a clean 320 rip of it.

I did have the LP, its now saved on minidisc (I think)

I've got a cassette version on the way..

So, which 12" versions?

I picked up the vinyl LP used for a fair price ($25) in the last couple years and I think the mix is different. I don’t have the cd anymore, so can’t compare. Some of the mixes on the singles are better than the album versions for me though.

First day recording in Castlesounds for an album, having basically taken a decade off to be a mum.. I only wrote when I could throughout really but it’s nice to have a (part-time-writing) decade’s worth of ideas to plunder

— Dot Allison 🕊 (@DotAllisonmusic) February 25, 2020

She used to bully me at school. It's a shame I know but I am going to have to cancel her.

i jest. Not about the bullying which is true. She was only 9 or 10 and we made up later.

Jim from One Dove has remained active in music and I've released a couple of bands he has been involved in -

Organs Of Love -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqeSuny9IXQ

and his current band, Women Said - https://optimomusic.bandcamp.com/album/majick

Revisiting One dove due to the Underworld poll

https://youtu.be/DXajFAsYN9c

Underworld's best remix IMO, similar to the various Dark & Long B sides

That's Why Don't You Take Me (Underworld Up 2 Down Remix) cos I never manage to embed videos correctly.

I would love to see some sort of reissue for Morning dove White because all the remixes were great and ardent currently available, but I'd be more interested in anything that was never used from the original Weatherall productions

Just painstakingly downloaded their entire recorded output (album + all remixes across all singles + unreleased album) and it is sooooo gooooooood, where have I been

YEAH, you.

«Why Don’t You Take Me» is the best song ever

i run into Jim from One Dove several days a week as he is a professional dog walker and is always walking near my house. This is a totally useless post but i would like the record to note he is a lovely human being.

Enjoyed the lookback review in Pfork today. One of my all time favorite LPs. Currently listening to this fan-sourced collection of what might have been the second LP had it happened? https://albumsiwishexisted2.blogspot.com/2023/02/one-dove-moon-angel-1994.html

Happy to share if anyone would like to hear.