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Inspired by Mark's mention in the Santa Claus thread of Mille Plateaux's new "click-hop" compilation, which deliberately snubs the previously used genre-descripter, "glitch-hop". Mille Plateaux are very insistent actually that click be used for everything - click-house (replaces minimal tech-house, micro-house and glitch-house) and click-r&b (Thomas Brinkmann's "Soul Center" albums I presume) being two previously championed terms.

So, the question is: do MP as a label producing this stuff have some measure of authority over the use of such terms? If they don't, who does, if anyone? Or who should? When do neologists become "branders" (poss. subtext of all click- related genres is that MP the label always resides at their creative center)? Your thoughts are desired here...

― Tim, Monday, 29 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I demand that this first answer be called the Prime Beyotch Mare from now on.

― Tim, Monday, 29 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Could you post the original essay here? I'm trying to figure out if MP are being extremely sarcastic or extremely delusional.

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 29 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Brian -- I don't think Tim is referring to a specific essay. I just mentioned that the newest of Mille Plateaux's Electric Ladyland comps (which in the past has focused on dark beat-driven stuff like Panacea) is subtitled "Click-hop 1.0" and tries to define a new genre.

Interesting that you mentioned this, Tim, because I had the same reaction when I read that title, that Mille Plateaux is trying to make this thing their own. A couple years ago, the Wire and other pubs. had been writing about "glitch" music when Mille Plateaux came along with their _Clicks + Cuts_ compilation. Soon after, people started to refer to the genre using Mille Plateaux's term. I think they are deliberately trying to shape the discourse with their homegrown terminology. I know nothing about post-structuralism, but would they have a reason for doing this that fits into the thinking of Deluze et. al.?

I prefer the term glitch in both cases, because it has a certain onomatopoeic value that "click" does not. Click is very vague.

― Mark, Monday, 29 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Coil if anybody have bragging rights with Worship the Glitch, which is a freakin' great album by the way...

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't recall hearing any 'clicks' in those Soul Center records. And click-house is a dumb term to use as a blanket 'cause a good deal of the tech-house I've heard doesn't click at all. Some might click, but more of it burbles. (Heh -- call all of it bubble and scrape, after the Sebadoh record.)

By using the term click-hop, aren't Mille merely putting a spin on Andreas Tilliander's clip-hop term? "Clip-hop" seems more suitable than "click-hop" in this case.

― Andy, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Clip-hop" sounds like it's about horses.

― Nitsuh, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What about "Breastgazer", "Crap-hop" and "Nu-polka"?

― Lord Custos, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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