Is "The Kinks are The Village Green Preservation Society" the best record of the 60's?

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I think so. It clearly pisses from a great height on all the other overrated, so-called classics like Sergeant Pepper, anything by Bob Dylan, The Doors and all the other usual suspects that always appear in those self-important shitty NME/Q/Vox lists.

William Randolph Casper, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd just like to add that they sound like they are having such a good laugh in the songs, yet really they're trying to decapitate each other with cymbals and generally kicking the fuck out of one another at any given opportunity. Which is good, I think.

William Douglas Raymond Quaife Casper, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes! Truly, truly great! One of the best 5 albums made in any decade, never mind the 60's. "Johnny Thunders", "Do you Remember Walter", " Big Sky", "Animal Farm", "Last Of the Steam Powered Trains", "Starstruck"......

By the way William, I think they'd kinda got over beating each other up by 1968. Most of that stuff happened a couple of years earlier.

Their run of albums from "Kinda Kinks" in 1965 to "Arthur" in 1969 (via "Kinks Kontroversy", "Face to Face", "Something Else", and "Village Green") is unimpeachably great rock n' roll.

Dr. C, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

VGPS is a very, very good album and very very probably one of the best (20 or so) albums of the 60's. I think, however, that it's MORE good --which is a grammatically poor way of saying "culturally significant"-- for the English than we Yanks, which is why it never shows up on any lists; because as we all know, the American Pop Zeitgeist is the Barometer of all living things.

Piss to the NME.

JM, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm sure Ray and Dave managed a few slight punches to the head in 1968. If Dave Davies was my little brother I wouldn't be able to resist. Seems like a moody little twat from all the biogs, an asset to any band I find. Shame it sold so few copies.

William Casper, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Erm, no.

But it's not bad. Half the album is terrific and deeply evocative, sadly the other half is self-consciously "quaint" shit. If I can turn this round into another kind of thread: search "Johnny Thunder", destroy "Phenomenal Cat".

R.C., Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's...nice. I guess. I don't think I have any favorite records from the sixties, actually. I find it a terribly dull decade for albums, one or two exceptions aside. Singles, that's another story.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yarggh, I love that record!! But I have to say I think _Arthur_ is better. It just holds together better as a whole. There are some songs on _VGPS_ I could do without like "...Walter" and "Last of the Steam Powered Trains" while only "She's Buying a Hat Like Princess Marina" annoys me on _Arthur_. Oh, and _Arthur_'s also got "Shangri-La"!

Kathleen, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My brother and I frequently fought like Ray and Dave about the merits and otherwise of "VGPS" against "Arthur". I'm for "VGPS" myself, it's got better songs, it has better playing, it sounds more of a piece and doesn't try and tell a story in some way, it just 'hangs together'. "Arthur" has some good moments - "Shangri-la" for one - but seems to duck out of any musical responsibilities from that point on in the album. "Nothing to say" indeed. And Pete Quaife was the best bass player the Kinks ever had, by "Arthur" the band were changed completely and heading towards their early 70s mediocrity, partly inspired by the devoted audience in the US wanting camp nonsense and concepts, which Ray willingly gave them.

Long live the Village Green! And "Phenomenal cat" is COOL.

Rob M, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd go with "Something Else" first, but whatever...

Tim Baier, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...
i'd have to agree that "something else" is a better choice. Like VGPS, too, though, but not as much. Maybe 'cause I'm not english...

paul, Friday, 16 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
Yes!!!!!!!!

Mike Hvanley, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I somehow doubt that this is the *real* Mike Hanley ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

actually I put in thpse V's becasue it was giving me some shit about how there was already a post like the on e i did

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Its terrific, but no it is not the best album of the '60s. The 1st VU, Easter Everywhere, Blonde On Blonde, Beggar's Banquet, Electric Ladyland, The Who Sell Out, Revolver, Black Monk Time, and Forever Changes are all better, IMHO. Heck, I really loved Future by the Seeds too. And Inner Mystique... oh, well... In the Kinks' own camp, I'd say Something Else... is at teast as good. If it sounds like I'm dissing Village Green, I'm not. Its wonderful! One of my most played cassettes is the one with Village Green on one side, and Lola vs.... on the other.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned still have this shameful attitude towards '60s albums? Shame!

I love this album. Possibly my favorite Kinks album, if not Face To Face.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

dunno if TKATVGPS is the "best record of the '60s," not when it's got competition such as white light/white heat, we're only in it for the money, aftermath (which i've always thought sounds like what the Kinks would have sounded like if Ray Davies were an asshole like Mick Jagger), piper at the gates of dawn, davies' own something else and face to face, and countless coltrane/coleman/sun ra records.

but it's up there, and that's rather rarified and prestigious company to be keeping. and TKATVGPS is flawless (yes, including "phenomenal cat"). there's just something so winsome and ethereal about it, like other great Kinks albums yet so very different. i really don't think Ray Davies ever did anything better.

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Not the best record of the 60s, but definitely one of the most underrated. A great album without any doubt.

My favourite Kinks album remains "Something Else" though..

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It's up there, but it ain't number one.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i just wrote my thoughts on this on another thread, and even though i hate superlatives i'll say that i love the kinks 66-70 more than anything the beatles ever did.

john fail (cenotaph), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I went out of my way to avoid hearing this for years (for reasons having to do with 'cultural prejudices', I'll admit) but when I heard it (best way too, somebody playing it and me asking 'what is that') I had to admit, it's pretty fuckin' good

dave q, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I would say the Kinks Katalogue is one of the very few which I think is worth exploring in its entirety. For the Stones, you're really okay if you get one of their singles collections, and the Beatles, y'know, whatever floats yr yllw sbmrn...but I love knowing that there is a Kinks song for every occassion. I just feel good knowing that I live in a world that has Kinks records. I'm real gone on Kinda Kinks this week.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
Does anyone have that software that separates the vocal and instrumental tracks of MP3's? Like they use to make mash-ups? Because I have an idea...

"Village Green" is one of my favorite albums of all time, yet I've always wondered "What if they had done it in a rockinger, early Kinks style?" Then I listened again and realized that it could be rockinger simply by putting the vocals lower in the mix. Listen to "Do You Remember Walter" and you can hear some primo fuzz guitar that could make the song downright Stoogesian if it were mixed differently.

Now there's fat chance of Ray Davies remixing it a la Iggy and "Raw Power," but if someone with that mash-up software could separate the vocals and guitar, you could have a loud guitar version of "V. Green Prez Soc." that might be really great. Or an abomination. But dammit, I'd like to hear it anyhow.

O-Keigh, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

there's a thread on that program...I tried to search for it not to long ago, to no avail

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

You people are all John Harris and I claim my five pounds.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Kinks are my favourite band, by far, and have so many great albums (albums, not just songs), inlcuding

Schoolboys in Disgrace
Preservation Act's 1 and 2 ("Flash's Confession" is a classic track)
Muswell Hillbillys
Their first 10 albums

Anyway, I also think "Arthur" is a better album, For one thing, it actually rocks.

And to say that Village Green has "Better playing" than Arthur is a bit ridiculous, I think. Just listen to "Shangri-La" and "Australia" alone. Both epic tracks. Dave Davies plays some of his best guitar on that album, bar none.

Anyway, great band, great album. The new Ray Davies CD is decent also, actually. Weird.

- e

Erock LAzron, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

not even in my top ten for the 60s, probably.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

This is another one of those threads for people who think the lyrics are the only thing that matters. The Beatles alone did a half-dozen albums more sonically interesting than Village Green, which I've never been able to listen to all the way through in one setting.

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Huh. Well, I don't care about lyrics too much, but I like the Kinks. I think I like Something Else better than Village Green, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Ray's embarking on a US tour now with a band in support of his Other People's Lives cd. The album's not as great as any of the better Kinks cds listed above, but it's got some nice cuts. I enjoyed The Storyteller tour immensely 10 years ago, we'll see how this more straightforward music one will be.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

I like OPL quite a bit.
I was obsessed with TKatVGPS for about three months after the the 3-disc reissue came out in 2004, but I think I actually prefer Face to Face AND Arthur.

Picked up the new(ish?) MOJO yesterday with more lurid Daviesploitation and a Kinks-covers CD, which on first listen at least pales against the Ryko tribute album.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

not even in my top 60 for the 60s. not Face to Face but not bad.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

I go with Face to Face and Something Else. for that matter I'd rather own Kontroversy. the 3-CD thing has some good songs like "Berkeley Mews" and so forth. but I always found Ray's big statements a bit...underwhelming. I'm not crazy about the way it sounds. I mean it's a classic of a sort.

so really no, not even in my top 20 for the '60s.

Ray Davies played here last night. Hear he opened up with "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" and "Where Have All the Good Times Gone," did fine. and a mini-suite of songs from Village Green, of course. which is now the Kinks album hipster de jour, of course.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

There's only one album from the 60s that I listen to more often than Village Green and it's Arthur. Kontroversy is ok.

jim wentworth (wench), Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, this album is one of my musical pet peeves. SO overrated. It sounds like Sgt. Pepper's without the hooks. And I don't even like Sgt. Pepper's that much.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

1. I'm certain that I strongly dislike a lot of the overrated hipster garbage beloved by all you haters,

2. but I revived this thread hoping that some non-hater out there has the ability to separate vocal and instrumental tracks, i.e. mash-up making software, so I could listen to a guitar-ified version of Village Green.

3. Can anyone tell me if there's a way I can get my paws on that software without paying a ton of dough?

4. Quit hatin'.

O-Keigh, Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like me some Kinks, but as usual I agree with the hurt brothers, edd s and -ing. Very overrated.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

On the 3-Disc Reissue from last year (two years ago?) The third disc contains a Mono Instrumental of 'Phenomenal Cat.' Better than nothing I guess, if you really want it. I'm sure its around for D/L, or I could just get around to ripping it if I can find it.

pher (pher), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

"without the hooks"

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

pher, thanks for playing along with me, but I'd also need the vocal track to then re-mix with a quiter vocal.

My whole idea, which no one else seemed to think worthwhile, was that Village Green would be an even better and more interesting album if you could de-emphasize the vocals/lyrics and turn up the guitar.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Kinks quieter albums are secretly wild and rocking albums that have had the vocals mixed way too high. And I promise I won't say anything else and leave everyone to dis poor ol' Ray.

O-Keigh, Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

This album isn't overrated. What's overrated is posting on threads about rock records when you don't even like rock records.

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

why not just disort the record? Run it through some distortion and EQ. That should kick it up a notch. I did that once with a La Dusseldorf record. Kicked ass.

and Village Green is a great record. Wicked Anabella needs nothing to kick more ass.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

The Kinks: Echoes of a World. On Sky Arts tonight at 9pm.

https://www.sky.com/watch/title/programme/5259403a-bffb-4d15-9522-196db0b53f6f/the-kinks-echoes-of-a-world

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 August 2021 19:27 (four years ago)

VGPS may be my favourite record of the 60s, but calling it "best" seems almost unseemly. Like it should be rated #11 or so, just for modesty's sake, in line with the mood of the album.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 28 August 2021 21:24 (four years ago)

I don't know if the poster upthread who wanted to turn "Do You Remember Walter" into "Search and Destroy" was ever going to be satisfied with this record.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 28 August 2021 21:30 (four years ago)

LOL. All of the surviving Kinks were worryingly doddery in this programme.

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 August 2021 21:43 (four years ago)

the notion of Walter as one of the weaker tracks on this album has given me a serious agony

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Saturday, 28 August 2021 21:53 (four years ago)

The song does, in fact, have a crunchy electric with some whammy-bar in the background. We'll probably never hear it any better, though; "Johnny Thunder" is the only song from this album where they located the multi-tracks to make a remix.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 August 2021 02:10 (four years ago)

I can't say I would be sad if the Kinks are too old to do another album or tour again. As one of their British Invasion colleagues said, "Let It Bleed".

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 August 2021 02:12 (four years ago)

one year passes...

I like how shoddy it sounds - like no one cared - yet the compositions show great care

| (Latham Green), Monday, 17 October 2022 03:04 (two years ago)

I like how the lead vocal will sometimes be completely panned to the left or right, it's very striking, but almost nobody would do that after 1968.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 17 October 2022 14:20 (two years ago)

agreed =-0=-0 especially with headphones its noticably interesting

| (Latham Green), Monday, 17 October 2022 14:46 (two years ago)


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